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#470417 Dec 12, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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AMAZING GRACE, indeed!
I ONCE WAS LOST
BUT NOW I AM FOUND
WAS BLIND BUT NOW I SEE
John Newton understood too :)
I'm only popping in for a moment, but when I read these two posts from you, Grace Walker, I had to say something.
Romans 3:7 Someone might argue,“If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!"
Note that verse 8. Many people, sadly including some "Christians," think that being Christians means we can now do whatever we want, with no consequences. But Jesus died to make us free OF sin, not free TO sin.
What I think some on this thread don't realize is that we who love Jesus want to please Him and want to AVOID sinning. People who DELIBERATELY go on sinning after (supposedly) becoming Christians may be fooling themselves but they certainly are not fooling God. There's a name for people like that. It's "hypocrites."
I feel so sorry for your previous pastor. He is caught in that same terrible trap from which Jesus wants to set us free.
I became a Christian at 19, but for many years I was just as blind as you and John Newton were. Then just about 10 years ago now, God opened my eyes:
Ephesians 2:8 8 For it is BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED, THROUGH FAITH—and this is not from yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD— 9 NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.
Really grasping that passage changed me FOREVER :)
NO kind of works can ever save us. NO ONE can ever be good enough/pray enough/pure enough/donate money enough/do good works enough to EARN salvation. But blessed be the name of the Lord, WE DON'T HAVE TO!! All we need do is to believe on and in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, all we need do is to accept the Gift of the Lord, the Gift to all men that was born in the city of David 2000 years ago :) JOY TO THE WORLD, THE LORD IS COME, indeed!
God bless and keep you all :)
I said the same thing about John Newton when I hear Amazing grace but I also listen to his other old one...I will post it below but first, I would like to add that these songs were written when people were CALLED to preach the Gospel..before seminary schools were started and men were taught from men..Here is another oldie from John Newton...I am sure it will be familiar

Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee;
Let the water and the blood,
From Thy wounded side which flowed,
Be of sin the double cure,
Save from wrath and make me pure.
NOT the labor of my hands
Can fulfill Thy law’s demands;

Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone.

Nothing in my hand I bring,
Simply to Thy cross I cling;
Naked, come to Thee for dress;
Helpless, look to Thee for grace;
Foul, I to the fountain fly;
Wash me, Savior, or I die.

While I draw this fleeting breath,
When my eyes shall close in death,
When I rise to worlds unknown,
And behold Thee on Thy throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee.

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#470418 Dec 12, 2012
Senecus wrote:
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Hello Roberta!
Nice of you to stop by:)
You'll see some familiar 'faces' here from your "home thread" (I follow along there, just haven't been motivated to post much as of late).
Best to you and yours for the holidays.
It's nice to see you, too :) Years ago, I did post quite a lot in this one, but after a while I began to realize I was spending more time online than I was doing anything else. It wasn't healthy, at least not for ME. I had to cut back somewhere, but as you say, there are several postwriters common to both, and it's always good to see old friends :)

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#470419 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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I said the same thing about John Newton when I hear Amazing grace but I also listen to his other old one...I will post it below but first, I would like to add that these songs were written when people were CALLED to preach the Gospel..before seminary schools were started and men were taught from men..Here is another oldie from John Newton...I am sure it will be familiar

Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee;
Let the water and the blood,
From Thy wounded side which flowed,
Be of sin the double cure,
Save from wrath and make me pure.

NOT the labor of my hands
Can fulfill Thy law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone.

Nothing in my hand I bring,
Simply to Thy cross I cling;
Naked, come to Thee for dress;
Helpless, look to Thee for grace;
Foul, I to the fountain fly;
Wash me, Savior, or I die.

While I draw this fleeting breath,
When my eyes shall close in death,
When I rise to worlds unknown,
And behold Thee on Thy throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee.
It is indeed familiar, and I love it just as much as "AMAZING GRACE" :) But I'm afraid I must tell you John Newton didn't write this one. The composer's last name was "Toplady," I forget his first :)

I'm delighted to meet you, Grace, and I just LOVE your nick :)

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#470420 Dec 12, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
@ G...
"(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law ARE WRITTEN ON THEIR HEARTS, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
...This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares."
Romans 2:14-16
There's a couple more like this I think.
Thats right..We Gentiles have it written in our hearts. We KNOW the difference between right and wrong. We dont need a list of rules to tell us that. Isn't God Amazing?? The Laws are still used today to bring people to Christ as it was intended to do. Re-read what you just posted. Meditate on it a while and pray for understanding. You could be a great preacher of the Gospel after you fully understand the Gospel.

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#470421 Dec 12, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
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Revelation 10:1&2
See Daniel 12:4-9
Revelation 10:7
See Esphesians 3:1-6
See Galatians 1:11&12
Revelation 10:8-10
See Luke 24:21
See Acts 1:6&7
Revelation 10:11
Finished
Luke 19:41-44
Matthew 23:37&38
See Matthew 23:29-35
See John 19:15
See Acts 4-8
Matthew 23:3-14
See Philippian 4:22
See Colossians 1:23
Luke 21:20
Matthew 24:15
See Matthew 24:36-44
See Luke 21:34-36
See 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6
Matthew 21:17-24
See Deuteronomy 28:47-53
See Daniel 7:25
See Revelation 12:6
Great Prophecy

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#470422 Dec 12, 2012
MogWild wrote:
Anyone think that organised religion gives a false sense of importance to those who can't cope with the level of our insignificance?
As a matter of fact, yes. That's one of the things that religion is FOR. But we don't have to worry that we are insignificant, because we're important enough to our Creator that He sent His very own Son to suffer and die for us :)

“Saved. ”

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#470423 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
Did this alleged "new covenant" wipe out everything in the OT when Jesus was born, baptised, arrested, died, ressurected or ascended ?
Nope, same deal as explained in my previous post... my view and take on it anyways.

Here is what (as you would have guessed it) is what I believe also... Galatians 2:11-22 but here are some excerpts:

Those who continuously quote Eph2:8-9 perhaps should read to verse 22 to get a clear understanding of what the Apostle was referring to. Unfortunately, Judaizers would come in after Paul left setting up a church and tell those new Gentile converts to Christ that they had to be circumcised and observe the Jewish Law... those are the works that Paul was referring to (works of the law)... Paul also mentions good works in verse 10 but his isn't referring to works of the law here:

1. Paul talking to Gentiles about their separation rom the Jewish people initially: "...remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ." Eph 2:12-13

2. " For He Himself (Jesus) is our peace, who has made the two one (Jews and Gentiles) and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh (in Jesus' flesh) the law with its commandments and regulations (that is, the law of moses except for the moral code). Ephesians 2:14-15

... those interested in further understanding of this chapter in Ephesians read also Colossians 2:14-16

3. "...For through Him we both (Jews & Gentiles) have access to the Father by one Spirit." Eph 2:18

Those who hold tightly to Eph 2:8,9 are missing the beauty of the rest of the passage because they have been taught to take it out of context like I once did... FACT: The whole chapter should be read in context. Thanks for the though-provoking questions.

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#470424 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Amen to you Roberta,
I believe that more and more people are having their eyes opened to the truth. Its awesome to see "Gods" work among so many people. After I realized that no matter how HARD I tried to be "good" and obey His commandments, I began to meditate on the scripture that said to HUMBLE Yourself and the one that " trample the Son underfoot"...I realized that Christains were trampling on WHAT Jesus did for us BY trying to earn what was so freely given to us as a "GIFT"...It was like saying,,thanks Jesus BUT I can do it myself.. Thanks for posting and please join in anytime. God Bless
Thank you :) I only hope you're right, that more and more people are believing the Truth :)

John 14:6 "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me."

In my opinion, this is one of the most important verses in the entire Bible.

“squuuze me”

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#470425 Dec 12, 2012
Pipek wrote:
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hi smily man?
your first name is JAMES?
let me know mister if you are James
You are DORK and that's all that matters.

Now go back to sleep ...the adults are talking.

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#470426 Dec 12, 2012
Does Your Preaching Pass the Grace Test?by Tullian Tchividjian..This is grandson of Billy Graham. I love This.

Tullian: The litmus test that I use for myself is that if people walk away from my sermons thinking more about what they need to do than what Jesus has already done, I’ve failed to preach the Gospel. The Gospel is the good news that Jesus has done for me what I could never do for myself. And a lot of preaching these days is “do more, try harder,” like you said. It’s behavior modification. We come to church expecting God to give us a to-do list or the preacher to give us a to-do list. As long as we are given a to-do list, we maintain some measure of control over our lives. Just tell me what to do.

This message of radical grace, that "it is finished," is difficult for the human heart, the sinful heart to grasp because we’re so afraid of control being wrestled out of our hands. So we come to church saying,“Pastor, my marriage is in trouble…my children are going off the deep end…my business is failing…I’m coming to you as the expert to tell me what to do to fix my own life…” And as a result, our lives get worse, not better, because we’re taking matters into our own hands.

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#470427 Dec 12, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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It truly is amazing what we can see after God has illuminated us, for I, too, once was blind, but now I see. I know that i will never tgo back to my old ways, and God is showing me more nd more as time goes on.
Brag on God!
Amen :)

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470428 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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I love it!!! Thanks Epi..Have you ever heard this one?? It brings chills up my arms everytime that I hear it..A MUST hear!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =nFC76Z_2oC4XX
Whoa....That one does....I am REDEEMED!!!!

Thanks Grace....God Bless...Are you almost ready to go to Disneyworld (or was that a cruise)?

:-)

“Love much, trust none”

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#470429 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Jesus died ONCE for ALL but people have to receive it. If A gift is offered to you, You have to reach out to receive it..right?:)
Not always. Many gifts are forced upon us.

Being born for example,.

“Love much, trust none”

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#470430 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Thats right..We Gentiles have it written in our hearts. We KNOW the difference between right and wrong.....
Is the death penalty right or wrong ?

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#470431 Dec 12, 2012
When God created man, He gave man authority to have dominion over everything on earth.(Genesis 1:26) But when man sinned, he gave this authority to Satan. And when man’s authority was transferred to Satan, Satan brought in diseases, poverty, strife, bitterness, pain, loss and death. He messed up everything on earth for man.


why didn’t God just grab the devil by the neck and throw him out of the garden?”


God did not do that because He is a judicial God. It was a man who gave away his authority to Satan. So it had to be a man who would legally take it back. And God has done this through a Man. His name is Jesus!

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#470432 Dec 12, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
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Whoa....That one does....I am REDEEMED!!!!
Thanks Grace....God Bless...Are you almost ready to go to Disneyworld (or was that a cruise)?
:-)
No, we are flying to Disney World. I have a confession to make though..I couldn't keep it a secret from my husband any longer so I wrapped up our plane tickets and he opened an early Christmas gift. He is EXCITED to say the least. We only have a few short weeks and then its off to the sunshine state and FUN..FUN..FUN.. I just had to tell him. Now we BOTH have to count down the days..LOL I am glad that you like the song and YES we are redeemed. I love you my friend. God Bless

“Saved. ”

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#470433 Dec 12, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text> Que,if being 'born again' meant that our sin nature would no longer exist after we're saved,then you 'unbelieving christians' might have a valid point about post-salvation sins.
Unbelieving Christians? Hey, Once Saved, Always Saved...
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text> But the REALITY is that our sin nature continues to be a part of who we are.
Yep, but we don't have to follow after the flesh and if we do sin presumpteously then we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, through whom we can confess our sins... but if one doesn't repent, lives habitually within the sinful nature and they come to end of life, then they die in their sins. There is no more room for repentance. One keeps there robes clean through the Blood of the Lamb... that is, repentance.
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Therefore,it is total folly to believe that we would ever be able to keep ourselves saved.
No... but we can keep ourselves clean and unspotted from the world... but if we join in with the world and do the same things they do... then how is one clean? The only way one could do that is to come out from among them and by that I mean not fornicating and the like.
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>But,sure,as believers we should have a 'hatred' for our sin,and sin in general. But that 'hatred' for sin should never be mistaken for self-righteousness that can keep us saved. Just keepin' it REAL.
Is obedience to the Lord self-righteousness or is it the Will of God? Is genuine repentance to the Lord self-righteousness or is it the Will of God. Only those who does the will of the Father and endure to the end will be saved. Thanks for the post.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

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~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470434 Dec 12, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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Amen :)
Roberta....

I have been here close to 4 years now..and I think you were posting right before I came...You know Judy and Denie...Deb and Christian Man...Don't you?

Nice to meet you....God Bless

“Saved. ”

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#470435 Dec 12, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
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Morning Q;
Thanks for the information.More I watch you the more I learn lol amazing walk thru theses here threads.God bless.
Good Morning LW, Praise God for that... smile.

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#470436 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
OK.
If the "New Covenant" eliminates all the OT then where are the new sins specifically listed in the NT ?
Where is the NT equivalent of the tablets given to Moses ?
*****

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper [Jesus] took the cup, saying,“This cup is the NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD, which is poured out for you."

*****

2 Corinthians 3:3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts...

...6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

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Hebrews 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors...

...declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people...

...13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

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Hebrews 12:23 You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

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