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Of course we don't have a license to willfully sin. Grace TEACHES us how to live..Titus 2:12.. Before I heard the Gospel, I kept my focus on MY obedience and MY sins.. The more I focused on any particular sin that I was struggling with, the BIGGER and HARDER it was to abstain from it. It wasn't until I learned that Jesus has set me from condemnation that I began to study more on The Gospel( GRACE) and found that my focus was on Jesus and not on ME..It became easier to be obedient. Of course, I still face sin daily, but when I put my focus back on the cross and realize WHO I am in Christ, I found that I was no longer entangled with the guilt of messing up. Its easier to walk away from sin, instead of focusing on how "GOOD" I have to be all the time, I focus on how good Jesus was TO ME and that makes me WANT to be obedient. Gods ways are not our ways and He knew what He was doing..God Bless
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Amen..Right believing WILL produce Right Living.. I use to sit in church and listen to my previous pastor tell us how WE had to do this and that and how NO sin will ever enter heaven and we had to STRIVE to be Just like Jesus and ect..ect..ect... I finally just stood up and ask him, IF we could DO ALL that, then please tell me WHY Jesus had to come and die?? He couldn't or wouldn't reply..So, I started searching and praying for God to reveal the TRUTH..Jer.29..You will seek me and find me WHEN you seek me with your whole heart..I found the Gospel of Grace. I have read those verses before but NEVER understood them. The Bible say's there is a veil over the hearts and eyes of some and I thank God that the veil was removed and I could see..AMAZING GRACE..:)
AMAZING GRACE, indeed!

I ONCE WAS LOST
BUT NOW I AM FOUND
WAS BLIND BUT NOW I SEE

John Newton understood too :)

I'm only popping in for a moment, but when I read these two posts from you, Grace Walker, I had to say something.

Romans 3:7 Someone might argue,“If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!"

Note that verse 8. Many people, sadly including some "Christians," think that being Christians means we can now do whatever we want, with no consequences. But Jesus died to make us free OF sin, not free TO sin.

What I think some on this thread don't realize is that we who love Jesus want to please Him and want to AVOID sinning. People who DELIBERATELY go on sinning after (supposedly) becoming Christians may be fooling themselves but they certainly are not fooling God. There's a name for people like that. It's "hypocrites."

I feel so sorry for your previous pastor. He is caught in that same terrible trap from which Jesus wants to set us free.

I became a Christian at 19, but for many years I was just as blind as you and John Newton were. Then just about 10 years ago now, God opened my eyes:

Ephesians 2:8 8 For it is BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED, THROUGH FAITH—and this is not from yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD— 9 NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.

Really grasping that passage changed me FOREVER :)

NO kind of works can ever save us. NO ONE can ever be good enough/pray enough/pure enough/donate money enough/do good works enough to EARN salvation. But blessed be the name of the Lord, WE DON'T HAVE TO!! All we need do is to believe on and in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, all we need do is to accept the Gift of the Lord, the Gift to all men that was born in the city of David 2000 years ago :) JOY TO THE WORLD, THE LORD IS COME, indeed!

God bless and keep you all :)

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Good night Q.. Its been another good debate and I am glad we can have civil ones. I use to believe just like you do now..Have you ever prayed for revelation of Gods truth? Please, just look more closely into what I have been trying to tell you. You have everything to lose and everything to gain., It was hard or me to finally admit that my whole Christian life was based on what my pastor was preaching..He preached what another pastor taught him and so on and so on...I had to search for the truth because what most preachers preach today is all about US and they merely tip their hat to Jesus and what He done for us. He has made you righteous in Gods eyes. You are Gods Beloved. He doesn't see sin when He looks at you. At least do a study on the Gospel of Grace.
Thanks, I can always learn a little somethin', somethin' in the scriptures...

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Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide.
Part 6

Apostle James: "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

James Chapter 2

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Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide.
Part 7

Apostle Paul: "So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. THEY ARE IN CONFLICT with each other, so that you do not do what you want. BUT if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

THE ACTS OF THE SINFUL NATURE are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD."

Galatians Chapter 5

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What comes after one asks the Lord Jesus into their heart and they are born of the Spirit and such? Sanctification... that is, knowing and doing what the Will of the Lord is. If we fall into sin, then we can confess (and forsake) that sin and God is Faithful & Just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Repentance is not a one-time thing... Oh I confess my sins to Jesus and that it... because one will miss the mark... repentance and forgiveness is there to keep one sanctified... if no repentance (by that I mean forsaking sin), then no sanctification and the unrepented sin is still there.

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Take care everyone, enjoy your rest!

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Qu_innocence wrote:
Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide.
Part 5
Prophet Ezekiel: "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die."
Ezekiel 18:24
What does that have to do with the security of the believer? That is simply talking about life in general. How do I know?? Where,in that scripture,does it mention ANYTHING about heaven or hell. Don't try to turn a chicken into an ostrich if it was born a chicken. Just keepin' it REAL.

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~*~*~*~*~*

G*O*O*D

M*O*R*N*I*N*G

“We can gain experience from the past,
but we can’t relive it;
and we can hope for the future,
but we don’t know if there is one.”

~ George Harrison

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Today's Prayer

Dear God, I am reminded again today of how cunning the enemy is. He knows just where I am weak and what may cause me to stumble and fall. I pray that you will help me to stand strong against him. I pray and ask that you will forgive me of my failures and ask that you help me to stand strong against Satan and his evil ploys. I pray that I will think before I speak or act. I pray that I will always have the mind of Christ and look to you in times of frustration and darkness as well as times of peace and light. Thank you for all of your provisions and promises. I am weak, but you are strong. My trust is in you. In Jesus' name I come to you, amen.

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Encouraging Words...

“We can rejoice, too, when we run into problems and trials, for we know that they help us develop endurance.”
Romans 5:3

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On this day 12-12-12....I quote Romans 12:12

Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

—Romans 12:12

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You need to find a new hobby because you failed this one..Who is cindy? Why would cindy need a sock? Do you make a habit of lying? Rest assure, I am a women but my name is not cindy.
Hmmm. I made ONE post with two words. How does that constitute a "hobby" and "a habit of lying"? Not only you jumped on it within minutes, you sounded very sensitive about it and protested too much. That made me think you've probably heard the same "accusation" before, so I'll just go hummmm...and leave it at that.

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Christmas Offering....Casting Crowns

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Have a Peaceful day today!!

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Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for sharing this... So hey G-man, if you're reading this, maybe it's possible that you could be some great, great, infitum great grand nephew of Paul.. <<<snicker>> >
Uncle Paul. LOL

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Roberta G wrote:
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AMAZING GRACE, indeed!
I ONCE WAS LOST
BUT NOW I AM FOUND
WAS BLIND BUT NOW I SEE
John Newton understood too :)
I'm only popping in for a moment, but when I read these two posts from you, Grace Walker, I had to say something.
Romans 3:7 Someone might argue,“If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!"
Note that verse 8. Many people, sadly including some "Christians," think that being Christians means we can now do whatever we want, with no consequences. But Jesus died to make us free OF sin, not free TO sin.
What I think some on this thread don't realize is that we who love Jesus want to please Him and want to AVOID sinning. People who DELIBERATELY go on sinning after (supposedly) becoming Christians may be fooling themselves but they certainly are not fooling God. There's a name for people like that. It's "hypocrites."
I feel so sorry for your previous pastor. He is caught in that same terrible trap from which Jesus wants to set us free.
I became a Christian at 19, but for many years I was just as blind as you and John Newton were. Then just about 10 years ago now, God opened my eyes:
Ephesians 2:8 8 For it is BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED, THROUGH FAITH—and this is not from yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD— 9 NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.
Really grasping that passage changed me FOREVER :)
NO kind of works can ever save us. NO ONE can ever be good enough/pray enough/pure enough/donate money enough/do good works enough to EARN salvation. But blessed be the name of the Lord, WE DON'T HAVE TO!! All we need do is to believe on and in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, all we need do is to accept the Gift of the Lord, the Gift to all men that was born in the city of David 2000 years ago :) JOY TO THE WORLD, THE LORD IS COME, indeed!
God bless and keep you all :)
Hello Roberta!

Nice of you to stop by:)

You'll see some familiar 'faces' here from your "home thread" (I follow along there, just haven't been motivated to post much as of late).
Best to you and yours for the holidays.

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Grace Walker wrote:
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After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. Revelations 7:9
No One could Count??? Thats a LOT of People..Many Are Called But Few Are Chosen...
I put more weight on the words of Jesus in the Gospels than the ramblings of an addled hermit that never met Jesus except in a "vision".

Maybe John of Patmos (not the Apostle, BTW) drank Soma. Ever read the poetry of an Acid Head ? Much the same.

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The Calvinists have their flower.....the tulip
The arminians have their flower too....the daisy!
He loves me...He loves me not...
He loves me...He loves me not...
He loves me...He loves me not...
Hey Tim!

When you ever gonna moderate yer blog?

Yeah <hearty chuckle> I hadn't heard(read) that one before:)

Be blest and see ya elsewhere...

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Qu_innocence wrote:
Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide.
Part 5
Prophet Ezekiel: "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die."
Ezekiel 18:24
The "OT is no longer valid" arguement in 3... 2... 1...

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I am sorry.
not as sorry you'll be when you realise the proportion of your you've wasted talking about something that doesn't exist.

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Not all Christians agree on the meaning of Daniel/Revelation and Biblical prophicies esp. concerning the "end of world":

PRETERISM is a Christian eschatological view that interprets prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. Daniel is interpreted as events that happened in the second century BCE while Revelation is interpreted as events that happened in the first century A.D. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

HISTORICISM says that Biblical prophecies provide us with a broad view of history, as well as an explanation of the religious significance of historical events. Historicists attempt to identify prophetic passages with major events in history.

FUTURISM, parallels may be drawn with historical events, but most eschatological prophecies are chiefly referring to events which have not been fulfilled, but will take place at the end of the age and the end of the world. Most prophecies will be fulfilled during a global time of chaos known as the Great Tribulation and afterwards.

IDEALISM, also known as "spiritual" or "symbolic", the events described in prophecy are neither past, present, nor future, but are representative of larger ideals and principles. Eschatological prophecy deals with the ongoing struggle between the forces of light and darkness, and the ultimate triumph of good over evil. Its message is purely a spiritual one, an allegory of the spiritual path, which is equally relevant in all ages and for all people.

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<quoted text>Hey John, good to see ya. Personally I believe something in the same ballpark as I believe it has to do with a conscious mindset to turn from God as it says in Timothy that we reign with God if we endure but if we reject God than He will reject us. I mention that so you know I am not nitpicking but rather asking for a little more detail. Is any sin not premeditated? I understand there is a difference say between planning something out in advance and acting spur of the moment but even spur of the moment, wouldnt we still know prior to sinning that we are about to sin? Often temptation comes out of nowhere. In the end does it matter how much time in advance we had if we still knew we were going to sin?(T) PEACE
What's up, Steve?

I found this article and it is quite interesting. Here's the link for all to see and ponder.

http://www.bibleissues.org/eternal_security1....

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