Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#470492 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Correct, by the assumption that the old covenant is abolished the 10 commandmants (old covenant rules) are gone including "Thou shalt not kill".
So murder is no longer a sin.
Nice try, G. Sin is always sin. We who live under the New Covenant of God's grace do our best to AVOID sinning, and that certainly includes the sin of murder.

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#470493 Dec 12, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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That which you have written above is an example of a false conversion. No one can accept Christ. He has to be received. It is us that He has to accept, and when we are drawn to Him, we have been accepted, then we either receive or reject His gift of grace.
Drew, you sound like a Lutheran :) Are you?

Since: Apr 07

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#470494 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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All Jesus said is "This cup is the NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD, which is poured out for you." (similar in Mark, Matthew and Luke. John says nothing of it)
Now, where are all these new commandments given by Jesus to replace the ones eliminated (OT)?
John 13:34 [Jesus said]“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”

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#470495 Dec 12, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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What's up, Steve?
I found this article and it is quite interesting. Here's the link for all to see and ponder.
http://www.bibleissues.org/eternal_security1....
Hey Drew

Thanks for the article, interesting stuff. I didn't know that Hebrews verse was talking about those returning to Judaism. That definitely shines some light on what the author had in mind when talking about deliberate sin and crucifying Christ again. I know Paul also spoke of those that left the faith for Judaism or to return to it that they were never part of it.

Personally I feel there is a third interpretation from the standard Armenian or Calvanist approach and that is that what we receive now is the PROMISE of salvation and are spared judgement so long as we remain in Christ which we do by remaining faithful and obedient.

1Peter4:17-19
For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.

Romans 2:5-8
"But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God "will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger."

John 15
6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 9"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

But to me all three views essentially boil down to the same thing. Sure one view says a true believer would never turn his back on God. Another says if one does he is like a dog returning to his vomit and is worse off than had he never known the truth. And a third is that we must finish the race to receive the reward. But the bottom line in all three is that someone remains committed to Christ. Regardless of how salvation is viewed or when if someone does that Christ has told us we will be saved. And I think everyone can agree regardless of the implications as far as whether someone believed or was saved or whatever that it essentially would take someone breaking from the faith and God to face judgement.

Hope all is going well with you. I am really looking forward to the holidays. Talk to you soon

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#470496 Dec 13, 2012
Red Apples wrote:
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Hey Skom.
Rehab is going well. I go M,W and F for about an hour each day. I work on a machine that's kind of like a sit down version of what it would be like to cross country ski. The girl that's in charge of me says of all the exercise machines they have the one I'm on seems to do the best job of working the most muscles.
I had my appointment last week with another heart specialist about having an ICD (Implantable Cardioverter-Defibrillator) implanted in my chest. He feels it's something I really need. So I go in on January the 7th to have it done. It's a pretty minor surgery that only takes about 2-3 hours if all goes according to plan. I will be in the Hospital over night than home the next day if all goes well. The recovery time is only a couple of weeks with just a few restrictions.
Guess I'll climb back in the sack and catch some more zzz's. Have a good one. God bless.
Hey John

Well I am not going to pretend to know much about the medical field but I will say just as a friend and from a layman perspective I am glad you are doing it as it it sounds like a good idea. I mean if someone can have basically a back-up built in by way of a defibrillator I can't see a reason not to do it. Especially if it is relatively minor surgery. This way if you need it then it is there and if you don't, all the better

I know cross-country skiing is good for working all the muscles. I think I read somewhere that next to swimming it is about one of the most well-rounded exercises so that is cool you are going 3 times a week. Glad you have really committed to the rehab. I know it seems like it would be common sense to do but a lot of people still don't. I had an uncle who died from diabetes who didn't even make the slightest effort in any area. Didn't take his insulin, ate all grease-fried foods, chain-smoked, didn't exercise, you name it and whatever was the worst thing for him is what he did.

Anyway, I am kind of all over the place as it is late (plus I am not going to lie, I always have a harder time for some reason trying to express this stuff to a guy lol) but just saying glad you are getting back to health. Catch up with ya soon.

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#470497 Dec 13, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
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H_E_Y....Steve-O....
Hope you and your family are doing well. Your nephew is at an age to really enjoy Christmas...Have a good one!!
Yeah he has been a real trip lately as it is, he should be hilarious over the holidays. I really love that kid. Plus it will be nice to have some time off where not only I can see him more but will have some energy and be rested.

Hope you and yours are doing well too and I know your dad will be with in spirit as well
Epiphany2 wrote:
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I saw some of the "debates"....
Glad you are back...God Bless
Yeah it would require quotes even using the most generous application. I didn't even read any replies as I just decided a clean break was in order and no temptation if I don't know what I am not responding to:)

But yeah, gonna try to use Topix for just a more relaxing and enjoyable outlet as even if my time wasn't limited it just makes little sense to use it negatively. Nice to talk to you again. See ya soon:)

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#470498 Dec 13, 2012
Le_le wrote:
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Hi Skom,
I find myself missing this place too..
Especially missing the "friendships" some of us have formed
over the years. No matter how we have all diagreed and
gone round and round- there's a few of you I just wouldn't
trade for the world..lol..
I missed Ham's anniversary..I see him sitting on Annie's
bench, sharing it w Lynn. Both bundled up, her in her
white winter
coat,he looking dapper as always-- peacefully lovingly-
feeding the cardinals..
*sigh*
How blessed were we to have had the priviledge to shared w Ham??
Going to visit WSJLM more often,, hope you do too!
Yeah definitely gonna try to be around more, at least thru the holidays when I have the time off. We are going to basically 10-12 hour shifts after the new year.

I didn't realize it at the time just because I had no frame of reference but we really had it good for a while. There is no subtle way to say this so I will just say it and that is the average internet chat-room doesn't exactly attract the highest caliber of person or at least not the highest caliber of discourse. Back when so many regulars were still here we really had an intelligent and moral group. Even disagreements were mostly about things and actual subjects and stayed above a certain level. I think maybe because the average age of the regulars was a little higher. Whatever it was there was a connection. There were times you and I were at each other's throat yet you are one of the people I have missed seeing the most. That says a lot for the kind of person this room attracted.

I am not knocking anybody in it now but rather just wishing a lot of the people that are not posting still were posting with us. Other than a few people almost everybody I am close with is still from when I first got here. Hope some will stop in over the break. Catch up with ya soon

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#470499 Dec 13, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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Many fail to recognize that it is Satan, in reminding us of our sins, who influences us to feel guilty.
Hey Drew

Asking sincerely here, do you not feel bad when you sin? I don't know why you would think that would be coming from satan. People always agree that even once-saved is not a license to sin but what else would a license to sin be then to sin and not feel bad about it? I mean other than perhaps the frequency of the sin but to me it isn't about whether say I sinned 5 times last week and someone else sinned once or 20 times, it is about wanting to please God and do the right thing. The Bible says if we love God we will obey the commandments. How can anyone IN Christ feel anything but disappointed in themselves or bad when they sin?

I don't want to put words in your mouth so please correct me if i am mistaken but are you basically saying a believer has no reason to feel bad about his sins because they are forgiven?

Honestly just curious.

(T) Peace

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#470500 Dec 13, 2012
Give me one shred of evidence that he ever existed

Do not quote the Gospels at me none of them knew him and were written much later.
The Roman executed people in Judea on a stake not a cross. The Romans kept detailed records as did the Jews. Don't quote Josephus he wasn't even born then.

For a faith with more than one billion or more adherents it would be thrown out of court

There is a Truth and it is a gift which lies within us all and you must seek it.
No Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve

Our distant ancestors crawled out of a primeval sea our creator provided the building blocks and that explains why Eart has so much diversity
The University teems with life but I believe we are one of the priviliged ones
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#470501 Dec 13, 2012
Mick Scott wrote:
Give me one shred of evidence that he ever existed
Do not quote the Gospels at me none of them knew him and were written much later.
The Roman executed people in Judea on a stake not a cross. The Romans kept detailed records as did the Jews. Don't quote Josephus he wasn't even born then.
For a faith with more than one billion or more adherents it would be thrown out of court
There is a Truth and it is a gift which lies within us all and you must seek it.
No Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve
Our distant ancestors crawled out of a primeval sea our creator provided the building blocks and that explains why Eart has so much diversity
The University teems with life but I believe we are one of the priviliged ones
Being wise in your own eyes,you have become an 'intelligent','educated' FOOL. Satan the devil seeks your blind,lost soul that he might SIFT you into the dark,hopelessness of HELL. Christ Almighty gave His life for you at the Holy Cross of Calvary. REPENT and turn to Him,before it's too late for your soul!:

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470503 Dec 13, 2012
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Morning

“When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.”

~ Lao Tzu

Thought For The Day

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“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470504 Dec 13, 2012
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Today's Prayer

Dear God, This is such a busy time of year. People are traveling, finishing up year-end business records and reports, visiting friends and family, celebrating Christmas and the New Year. I pray that during this time of preparation and cheer, You will cover us with a blanket of protection. I pray that you will grant safe travels to those who are driving, riding, flying around their neighborhoods, across the country, and throughout the world. I pray that you will give peace, comfort, and joy to all who are your children and fill our hearts with praise and rejoicing in the spirit over the reason for this season of celebration. I pray that we, your children, would be the shining examples of your love and Christian living before the world, especially now. I pray that personal and business affairs would be conducted with integrity...and that as we are blessed, we would be a blessing to others. I pray that the lost will see Jesus and be drawn unto you. Thank you, Father, for watching over us, being with us, and loving us in spite of ourselves. You are merciful and worthy of our praise. In the name of Jesus I pray, amen.

Prime Time with God

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470505 Dec 13, 2012
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Encouraging Words...

“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God.”

Ephesians 5:2

K-Love

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“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470506 Dec 13, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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They believed God.
Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.
Genesis 15:6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says,“Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.
Roberta...I talk to Denie on Facebook and she said to tell you Hello....Have a Blessed Christmas!

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470507 Dec 13, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Dont start that kind of crap Q...If you are trying to politely ask me if We are the same person, then I will go ahead and take the bite..NO, I am not really sassy.( I can be but I am not the Person who post under that name) Why do you try to decieve others? I can read right through your question. I have posted as Grace Walker and ONLY GW. Sounds like you may be facing some guilt issues. You also lied. I went back to that thread and I was the last one to post.. back in September. Please don't try to ruin things. I have no use for that kind of behavior. We have some decent debates and I hope we can continue, however, Dont try to find a reason to dis-credit my post. Why do you feel the need for that? Goodnight and God Bless..I was just, er....wondering about that..<<Guilty as I stated<<<
This thread goes this way sometimes...True identity shows itself after awhile....:-)Don't let it ruin your witness...Just turn it over to the Lord.....I enjoy your posts very much
Just move on Friend....You have Gods GRACE to see you through

Love to you GW

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#470508 Dec 13, 2012
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OK...Get a cup of coffee or Hot chocolate and enjoy

"The Spirit of Christmas"

http://youtu.be/H76_B2VsOoU

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Hae a good day!!

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#470509 Dec 13, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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John 13:34 [Jesus said]“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”
Yep.

There were only three commandments give by Jesus, Love, Love and Love.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#470510 Dec 13, 2012
Mick Scott wrote:
.... The Romans kept detailed records as did the Jews....
Please provide any Roman records. This is one of the biggestlies out there. I've seen letters from Hadrian's wall, Trajan's columb and the medieval histories. Not a single senate record though.

I have already provided the Talmud passages on the execution of Jesus and Matthew.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#470511 Dec 13, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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Nice try, G. Sin is always sin. We who live under the New Covenant of God's grace do our best to AVOID sinning, and that certainly includes the sin of murder.
Then eating pork and being uncircumcised is still a sin right ?

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#470512 Dec 13, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>Now you're splitting hairs. It is not for you or me to say what happens between the Lord and this man during the last few moments of the man's life.
No but it is for the WORD to say what will become of this man, and the WORD says that he that endures unto the END, the same shall be saved. Right?

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