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#470380 Dec 12, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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AMAZING GRACE, indeed!
I ONCE WAS LOST
BUT NOW I AM FOUND
WAS BLIND BUT NOW I SEE
John Newton understood too :)
I'm only popping in for a moment, but when I read these two posts from you, Grace Walker, I had to say something.
Romans 3:7 Someone might argue,“If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!"
Note that verse 8. Many people, sadly including some "Christians," think that being Christians means we can now do whatever we want, with no consequences. But Jesus died to make us free OF sin, not free TO sin.
What I think some on this thread don't realize is that we who love Jesus want to please Him and want to AVOID sinning. People who DELIBERATELY go on sinning after (supposedly) becoming Christians may be fooling themselves but they certainly are not fooling God. There's a name for people like that. It's "hypocrites."
I feel so sorry for your previous pastor. He is caught in that same terrible trap from which Jesus wants to set us free.
I became a Christian at 19, but for many years I was just as blind as you and John Newton were. Then just about 10 years ago now, God opened my eyes:
Ephesians 2:8 8 For it is BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED, THROUGH FAITH—and this is not from yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD— 9 NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.
Really grasping that passage changed me FOREVER :)
NO kind of works can ever save us. NO ONE can ever be good enough/pray enough/pure enough/donate money enough/do good works enough to EARN salvation. But blessed be the name of the Lord, WE DON'T HAVE TO!! All we need do is to believe on and in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, all we need do is to accept the Gift of the Lord, the Gift to all men that was born in the city of David 2000 years ago :) JOY TO THE WORLD, THE LORD IS COME, indeed!
God bless and keep you all :)
It truly is amazing what we can see after God has illuminated us, for I, too, once was blind, but now I see. I know that i will never tgo back to my old ways, and God is showing me more nd more as time goes on.

Brag on God!

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#470381 Dec 12, 2012
OK.

If the "New Covenant" eliminates all the OT then where are the new sins specifically listed in the NT ?

Where is the NT equivalent of the tablets given to Moses ?

“"None shall pass"”

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#470382 Dec 12, 2012
Did this alleged "new covenant" wipe out everything in the OT when Jesus was born, baptised, arrested, died, ressurected or ascended ?

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#470383 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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I put more weight on the words of Jesus in the Gospels than the ramblings of an addled hermit that never met Jesus except in a "vision".
Maybe John of Patmos (not the Apostle, BTW) drank Soma. Ever read the poetry of an Acid Head ? Much the same.
Paul met Jesus. it was more than a vision. The apostles didnt accept Paul right away either. What do you think that Paul told them to convince them to give him the right hand of leadership?

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven.( PAUL is refering to himself here) Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell. 5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say, 7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me,“My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

You cant change Gods plan of salvation G..Paul was Taught the Gospel of Grace BY Jesus Himself..No mortal man would make up this and die because of it. Nobody who lives under the Law of Moses all their life, wanted to hear this gospel then and NOW...Paul preached NOTHING but the Gospel of grace..Do you think that he made this up? The Apostels didnt agree at first either..Something or "someone" changed their minds. Can you guess who that was?

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#470384 Dec 12, 2012
simplyput wrote:
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He wasn't meaning pre-meditated sinning, meaning I will go ahead and sin, then ask God to forgive me. A true Christian doesn't think in this way ever, that Christianity is a liscense to sin.
No, but many true christians have fallen away into willful sin.

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#470385 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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What I don't understand is WHY some believers want to be saved by Grace but then judge everyone else under the law. There is plenty of Gods Grace for us all. I just shake my head and say a little prayer for those who want to" mix Law and Grace". <<< That is what the "Lukewarm" Christians" mean. I am reading the verse that speaks of The Holy Spirit leads to all truth and then I come on here and read others claim that the Holy Spirit CONVICTS BELIEVERS of sin..The Law Is Void Of Purpose If The Spirit Convicts Believers Of Sin!
Paul says in Romans 5:20
The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, GRACE increased all the more,
The Holy Spirit convicts me of who I am in Christ. Contrary to popular belief He does not convict me of sin making me feel guilty. Romans 8:1 Therefore there is now no condemnation in Christ Jesus. There is more on this too.
John 16:8-11 And He,( The Holy Spirit) when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; CONCERNING SIN, because THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ME; ... I believe in Him!!!
and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
What is your thought on this?? God Bless
Many fail to recognize that it is Satan, in reminding us of our sins, who influences us to feel guilty. As you said, the Holy Spirit reminds us of who we are in Christ, and He is our guide.

We have been set free, according to the scriptures, but Satan's goal is to keep us in bondage. But through Jesus Christ, we are no longer bound.

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#470386 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
OK.
If the "New Covenant" eliminates all the OT then where are the new sins specifically listed in the NT ?
Where is the NT equivalent of the tablets given to Moses ?
In My own personal opinion..Trying to explain this was the thorn in the flesh..lol..Its easy to understand but difficult to explain..I will start with the tablets..Only the 10 commandments were engraved in stone and the other 603 were written on parchment paper and/or animal skins.

2nd corinthians 3:7..But if the ministration of death, written and engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY: 8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more does the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2 COR. 3:3..For as much as you are manifestly declared to be the letter of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of OURSELVES to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also has made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMNET; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

THE LETTER KILLS BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE..The OT was glorious and we should still learn by it but we are to LIVE The New Testament.

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#470387 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
OK.
If the "New Covenant" eliminates all the OT then where are the new sins specifically listed in the NT ?
Where is the NT equivalent of the tablets given to Moses ?
This is the best one G..

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:14

See how the law is contrary to us? Even the most sincere follower of Jesus cannot follow those laws perfectly. We would all be doomed and God knew that. he didnt want us to perish so Jesus came and done what we could not do..FOR US.

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#470388 Dec 12, 2012
Colossians 2:15..And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Jesus disarmed the powers that The Law held against us but today even misguided and sincere preachers take those powers that Jesus disarmed and gives them back to us. The principalities and powers are the angelic hosts through whose ministry the law was given. See Deuteronomy 33:2; Acts 7:53; Hebrews 2:2; Galatians 3:19. Great importance was attached, in the later rabbinical schools, to the angels who assisted in giving the law; and that fact was not without influence in shaping the doctrine of angelic mediators, one of the elements of the Colossian heresy, which was partly Judaic. This doctrine Paul strikes at in Colossians 1:16; Colossians 2:10; here, and Colossians 2:18. God put off from himself, when the bond of the law was rendered void in Christ's crucifixion, that ministry of angels which waited on the giving of the law, revealing Christ as the sole mediator, the head of every principality and power (Colossians 2:10).

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#470389 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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This is the best one G..
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:14
See how the law is contrary to us? Even the most sincere follower of Jesus cannot follow those laws perfectly. We would all be doomed and God knew that. he didnt want us to perish so Jesus came and done what we could not do..FOR US.
So all the commandments are gone, right ?

Then there are no sins.
That means there is nothing to be forgiven.
That means that Jesus saved everyone whether they like it or not, whether they know it or not, whether they believe it or not.

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#470390 Dec 12, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Paul met Jesus. it was more than a vision.....
What does Paul have to do with John of Patmos and Revelation ?

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#470391 Dec 12, 2012
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> No, but many true christians have fallen away into willful sin.
We have to understand the (noun) version of SIN..and the (VERB) ACTIONS of sin..This is very significant because the Greek word HAMARTIA is a noun, while HAMARTANO is a verb. A noun denotes a person, place, or thing, while a verb describes the action of a noun. Therefore, in all but one instance in the book of Romans, the words “sin” and “sins” describe man’s tendency toward sin and not the individual acts of sins themselves. If you think of the word “sin” in these chapters as denoting the act of sin.. Lying, cheating, stealing, adultry ect..ect..is a VERB or result and action of SIN. It was an eye opener to me and I hope it helps you understand. God Bless

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#470392 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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So all the commandments are gone, right ?
Then there are no sins.
That means there is nothing to be forgiven.
That means that Jesus saved everyone whether they like it or not, whether they know it or not, whether they believe it or not.
Jesus died ONCE for ALL but people have to receive it. If A gift is offered to you, You have to reach out to receive it..right?:)

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#470393 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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So all the commandments are gone, right ?
Then there are no sins.
That means there is nothing to be forgiven.
That means that Jesus saved everyone whether they like it or not, whether they know it or not, whether they believe it or not.
NO..they are not gone. The purpose for why they were given is still in effect today as they were when Moses first received them..They were given to show mankinds need for a Savior. Some people have not seen their need for a Savior..the Law still stands for those people and even to Christians who still continue to keep themselves there, according to scripture.

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#470394 Dec 12, 2012
Buenos Dias... a hearty good morning to Drew, Lawest, Jack, Ep, Mogmild, G-man, GW, Kenny.. I mean... Roberta G, Sock Detector, and the REAL Dr. REALITY...

...nippy temps my way but God is Good all the same.

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#470395 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
Did this alleged "new covenant" wipe out everything in the OT when Jesus was born, baptised, arrested, died, ressurected or ascended ?
Jesus' birth was important but that is NOT what saved us..It was His death,burial and ressurection. Do you care to hear a song written about this very thing? I believe that you will like..Take a quick break and enjoy..Skip the ad..Its a great song with a great beat to it also..an added plus :) Let me know if you like it..Ok?



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#470396 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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And that is why homosexuality is no longer a sin, right ?
<poors gasoline on the embers>
That is a result ( an action) of SIN...dont start a fire G..LOL

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#470397 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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What does Paul have to do with John of Patmos and Revelation ?
I dont know?? Never studied about that. I will though. Will you help me with it?

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#470398 Dec 12, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>What does that have to do with the security of the believer? That is simply talking about life in general. How do I know?? Where,in that scripture,does it mention ANYTHING about heaven or hell. Don't try to turn a chicken into an ostrich if it was born a chicken. Just keepin' it REAL.
Doesn't have to say it, it's obvious. In any case, Ezekiel wasn't speaking from the Law here... as a prophet, he was a mouthpiece of The Lord and the Lord was just keepin' it REAL. Just because it was OT doesn't mean that somethings mentioned there aren't in effect... prophecies, words of wisdom, etc. are good examples. Here is another cross reference that's keepin' it REAL from the OT.

"A man WHO STRAYS FROM the path of understanding comes to rest in the company of the dead." Pr 21:16

Proverbs

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#470399 Dec 12, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Uncle Paul. LOL
Hyper-generational family feud? Smile.

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