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#470078 Dec 10, 2012
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of the biological parent statement, I wasn't meaning of the love from our parents or guidance (some parents are not loving of their children or teach and guide them -, most are tho).
I was speaking of the blood, that we have of our biological parents, we could never disown our parents, and they could never disown us, we will always have their blood. It is impossible for them to disown us.
Welp, I've said that I would get back with you on this. Yes it is true that we will always be our parents' child (by blood as you say).. even if we (by our own choosing) wander off from their instructions and find ourselves in a place they have warned us about.
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of being 'born again spiritually, through Jesus Christ, and if we are truly born again (not a pretend to be) an experience happens to us , and the old man dies and we are transformed , we are 'washed in the blood of Christ.
Let's say a person who lived the homosexual lifestyle receives Christ. They are following Christ for years... they are fine with no wish to be with the opposite sex ever again. Later on, they see an old flame and are tempted and tintillated. Through poor choices they find themselves back into homosexuality, they find scriptures condoning their lifestyle and continue to live in that situation, get married to their life-partner. You mean to tell me that - that person was never saved to begin with because they fell into temptation? Shouldn't once saved always saved keep them from falling from grace? Jesus, friend of sinners right?

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#470079 Dec 10, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Welp, I've said that I would get back with you on this. Yes it is true that we will always be our parents' child (by blood as you say).. even if we (by our own choosing) wander off from their instructions and find ourselves in a place they have warned us about.
<quoted text>Let's say a person who lived the homosexual lifestyle receives Christ. They are following Christ for years... they are fine with no wish to be with the opposite sex ever again. Later on, they see an old flame and are tempted and tintillated. Through poor choices they find themselves back into homosexuality, they find scriptures condoning their lifestyle and continue to live in that situation, get married to their life-partner. You mean to tell me that - that person was never saved to begin with because they fell into temptation? Shouldn't once saved always saved keep them from falling from grace? Jesus, friend of sinners right?
Good point Qu as this is much like the scenario/question that I posted a couple of times that only garnered two responses. It'll be interesting to see what type of an answer ( if any ) you'll receive here.

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#470080 Dec 10, 2012
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>One statement of fact,'Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall have everlasting life. Not by good works, or anything we can say or do, but Believe in Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins, this is to be from within us, with God, and He knows us, His children and will not disown us.

We will still be in this world , having temptations thrown at us, others trying to deceive us, but we have Christ's sheild to put on
whenever we need it.
We, Must" be born again,(truly born again) and God knows if we are truly HIS.
There is a Pastor named Carlton Pierson. I believe he went to Oral Roberts University and he isn't gay btw, but he ministers to homosexuals and has a gay-accepting church.(By gay-accepting church, by that I mean they believe that God condones homosexuality and Carlton also believes that there is no such thing as hell... le le believes this also, now that I think about it... it's called neo-saduceeism)

So, based on the Once Saved Always Saved gospel, Do you believe that it's okay for these gays to continue as they were? Jesus, friend of sinners btw... do you also believe in gay-affirming churches like some Christians on here?

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Since: Jan 09

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#470081 Dec 10, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
It is a poor Greek translation that was never recognized by Jews as perfect. Only the Hebrew is considered Scripture.
I'm aware.

In the prologue of Ecclesiasticus, from the Apocrypha, it's written, "Wherefore let me intreat you to read it with favour and attention, and to pardon us, wherein we may seem to come short of some words, which we have laboured to interpret. For the same things uttered in Hebrew, and translated into another tongue, have not the same force in them: and not only these things, but the law itself, and the prophets, and the rest of the books, have no small difference, when they are spoken in their own language."

No translation can perfectly reflect the expressions and meanings made in the original tongue. Why, even our English translations are riddled with italicized terms, phrases, and sentences, clearly indicating where the translators were unsure of the most accurate English rendering to incorporate for the Hebrew and Greek terminology. But, regardless, the Septuagint was still recognized, accepted, copied, distributed, and preserved, in the synagogues.
G_O_D wrote:
The Septuagint is on the level of a 'Chinglish' instruction manual. It was only used as a guide for Jews who didn't speek Hebrew in Egypt.
I think comparing the Greek Septuagint to Chinglish is (a tad?) erroneous. Other than that, though, you're correct. But, we must not neglect the fact that during the writing of the Septuagint and into the generation of the apostles, the Septuagint was preferred to a great degree, as (Koine) Greek was a lingua franca of the Roman Empire. It was necessary.
G_O_D wrote:
Apologetics, the fine art of making the Bible say anything we want it too and make it seem perfect.

Basically a paint job over rust. The metal is still damaged but you can't see it.
Then, an apologist I will be.

I kid you not, my friend. I can show you, by comparing one's composition against the other's, that Paul did not contradict the teachings of our anointed Savior. Unlike not a few believers that might only offer a speech without scriptural support, but with a healthy dose of circular reasoning, I can provide scriptural evidence with, maybe, a minor inclusion of deductive reasoning, if any at all.

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There

#470082 Dec 10, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>...I kid you not, my friend. I can show you, by comparing one's composition against the other's, that Paul did not contradict the teachings of our anointed Savior.....
And by the same methodology I can show that he did.

Someone once said that the Scriptures are simply a Rorschach test in words. They were absolutely right.

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#470083 Dec 10, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>...I think comparing the Greek Septuagint to Chinglish is (a tad?) erroneous...
I thought it was apt hyperbole.

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#470084 Dec 10, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Q:
First off I not too interested in people who deliberty set out to hurt others for little or no reason other than to entertain thereselves or commonly known as trouble makers.
Now as for myself you must admit I taken quite a zsss kickin from time from some posters been rolled in the dirt been ignored made fun of and came right back for more.You shall find most troublemakers do take tail and run and in doin so they take that yellow stripe with them.As for myself Q I have nothing to run from and no reason to run and I am still here.I plan to be here until my work for my Lord is done and then I shall move on where ever He so chooses to take me.So you see with this opinion of mine I had not reason to remember her.Have a good day God bless
Hey LW, thanks for posting this... yes, you took your lumps. All who would dare to pass thru these halls, I mean, thread... must take their share of lumps. lol, some take their lumps more than others though.

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#470085 Dec 10, 2012
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Good point Qu as this is much like the scenario/question that I posted a couple of times that only garnered two responses. It'll be interesting to see what type of an answer ( if any ) you'll receive here.
Yup... I don't know if you knew this, but I was surprised to learn, fairly recently, that James Cleveland was gay...

http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2012/06/16/new-h...

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#470086 Dec 10, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Hey LW, thanks for posting this... yes, you took your lumps. All who would dare to pass thru these halls, I mean, thread... must take their share of lumps. lol, some take their lumps more than others though.
So be it,God bless

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#470087 Dec 10, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
Hey there Bro. Lee... be encouraged. Smile.

Jesus: "Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man."

Just because some don't receive your words does not mean that you are not speaking Christ's words... I used to think that the above saying from Jesus was only speaking of non-believers... but it is more so also talking about Believers. The servant is not above His master. Who was trying to excommunicate and kill Jesus? His own Jewish brethren, of course. Even His own 1/2 brothers didn't initially believe on Him.

So keep the faith... I know you will. Breaks my heart also. I used to believe on the other gospel. By that I mean, the once saved always saved gospel. I fought hard against the truth just like they are fighting against it. I even said that "they" were deceived because how can a father send his own son into hell? Come to find out, the scriptures gives us ample warnings. It took me about 6 months to a year from recovering from that once saved always saved disillusionment and coming to the truth in the Lord that even some Christians and other Believers (in name only), will not survive the judgement.

It's not you that they are rejecting, it's ULTIMATELY Him. Cheers!
Thank you, my Brother. I truly appreciate your encouragement.

I don't know if you caught it or not, but I had just recently explained to G_O_D that as I've witnessed and that more times than not, believers reject what I share with them because pride and/or fear overcomes logic and reason. The other reason is because...I'll get into that.

This pride derives from the believer's rejection of the mere possibility that they might be in error, or worse yet, deceived by those they('ve) trust(ed). They're far more intelligent than that, to be in error, or be deceived. And apparently, it's impossible for those that they('ve) trust(ed) to be in error, or deceived, too. If the one(s) they('ve) trust(ed) were in error, or deceived, surely they would have noticed!

This fear derives from the reluctance to change, as it seems more profitable and, sadly, easier to remain in the doctrine they've been taught.

Worse, yet, is the claim of being led by the Holy Spirit. Not one denomination of Christendom exists that doesn't make this claim! And yet, Christendom remains divided by thousands of sects and splinter groups, and not one denomination will humble itself enough to examine themselves thoroughly, to determine if they're the one in error, or not. It's always the other denominations that are in error! Ecclesiasticus 10:13 warns, "For pride is the beginning of sin."

All I ask is that my posts are answered with the same thoroughness as I answer their's. I try, to the best of my ability, to address every assertion and every quote. As far as I'm concerned, it's unprofitable to declare another wrong without providing evidence of the error, no an fact-based explanation to correct the error. If I cause contradiction, then provide evidence as to how I've caused such a foolish error! That's all I ask.

Until next time...

Shalowm, Brother.

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#470089 Dec 10, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Yup... I don't know if you knew this, but I was surprised to learn, fairly recently, that James Cleveland was gay...
http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2012/06/16/new-h...
I vaguely remember hearing something like this about him years ago ( but didn't ponder on it ), but not too much surprises me about these show biz people. We both know that the Holy Ghost and that of spirit can't cleave together anyway, but our OSAS believers will tell us that even if he died like that he'll be saved anyway.........>Sic<.

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#470090 Dec 10, 2012
That KIND of spirit...................

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#470091 Dec 10, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you, my Brother. I truly appreciate your encouragement.
I don't know if you caught it or not, but I had just recently explained to G_O_D that as I've witnessed and that more times than not, believers reject what I share with them because pride and/or fear overcomes logic and reason. The other reason is because...I'll get into that.
This pride derives from the believer's rejection of the mere possibility that they might be in error, or worse yet, deceived by those they('ve) trust(ed). They're far more intelligent than that, to be in error, or be deceived. And apparently, it's impossible for those that they('ve) trust(ed) to be in error, or deceived, too. If the one(s) they('ve) trust(ed) were in error, or deceived, surely they would have noticed!
This fear derives from the reluctance to change, as it seems more profitable and, sadly, easier to remain in the doctrine they've been taught.
...kind of like Linus with the security blanket. If one takes it away he'll have a fit. In this case, OSAS security being that blanket but in the same way as Linus, provides for a false security.

Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Worse, yet, is the claim of being led by the Holy Spirit. Not one denomination of Christendom exists that doesn't make this claim! And yet, Christendom remains divided by thousands of sects and splinter groups, and not one denomination will humble itself enough to examine themselves thoroughly, to determine if they're the one in error, or not. It's always the other denominations that are in error! Ecclesiasticus 10:13 warns, "For pride is the beginning of sin."
All I ask is that my posts are answered with the same thoroughness as I answer their's. I try, to the best of my ability, to address every assertion and every quote. As far as I'm concerned, it's unprofitable to declare another wrong without providing evidence of the error, no an fact-based explanation to correct the error. If I cause contradiction, then provide evidence as to how I've caused such a foolish error! That's all I ask.
Until next time...
Shalowm, Brother.
Yes that's true. Sometimes all one can do though is be like that farmer who sows the good seed. Some will fall on good ground as well as the other places. Just depends on the spiritual condition of those who receive that word at the time it is given. What you may sow as seed some may in turn think that you are sowing tares. It really takes a lot of prayer and patience my brother.

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#470092 Dec 10, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
And by the same methodology I can show that he did.
Then, let's begin.

Obviously, you're going to have to initiate the volley. I can't, considering that I don't believe Paul contradicted the teachings of our anointed Savior.
G_O_D wrote:
Someone once said that the Scriptures are simply a Rorschach test in words. They were absolutely right.
Again, you're entitled to your opinion, my friend. All I can say, though, is that this "someone" must have found it rather difficult understanding the bible, themselves. A puzzle, perhaps. But, a Rorschach Test? Not as I "see" it.(See the pun? I tried.)
G_O_D wrote:
I thought it was apt hyperbole.
Well, of course you would. And I must admit, I'm glad you used the term "hyperbole" to define your use of the term "Chinglish," as that's how I understood your expression.

Regardless of our feelings concerning any of our translations, it was inevitable. I see no need to offer an explanation as I'm sure you're aware.

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#470094 Dec 10, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Welp, I've said that I would get back with you on this. Yes it is true that we will always be our parents' child (by blood as you say).. even if we (by our own choosing) wander off from their instructions and find ourselves in a place they have warned us about.
<quoted text>Let's say a person who lived the homosexual lifestyle receives Christ. They are following Christ for years... they are fine with no wish to be with the opposite sex ever again. Later on, they see an old flame and are tempted and tintillated. Through poor choices they find themselves back into homosexuality, they find scriptures condoning their lifestyle and continue to live in that situation, get married to their life-partner. You mean to tell me that - that person was never saved to begin with because they fell into temptation? Shouldn't once saved always saved keep them from falling from grace? Jesus, friend of sinners right?
We ALL fall into some sort of temptation. You are refering to a homosexual, However, Sin is sin and I dont believe God has a sliding scale from 1 to 10...If a TRUE Believer has been born again, been baptized with the Holy Spirit, then The Holy Spirit will never leave a true believer. EVER!! For example, Romans 8:9

The fact that the Holy Spirit will never leave a believer is also seen in Ephesians 1:13-14 where believers are said to be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit,“who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.” The picture of being sealed with the Spirit is one of ownership and possession. God has promised eternal life to all who believe in Christ, and as a guarantee that He will keep His promise, He has sent the Holy Spirit to indwell the believer until the day of redemption.

While the Holy Spirit will never leave a believer, it is possible for our sin to “quench the Holy Spirit”(1 Thessalonians 5:19) or “grieve the Holy Spirit”(Ephesians 4:30). Sin always has consequences in our relationship with God. While our relationship with God is secure in Christ, unconfessed sin in our lives can hinder our fellowship with God and effectively quench the Holy Spirit’s working in our lives. That is why it is so important to confess our sins because God is “faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”(1 John 1:9). So, while the Holy Spirit will never leave us, the benefits and joy of His presence can in fact depart from us.

We didn't SAVE Ourselves...Jesus bought and paid for our sins. HE Bacame Sin SO WE could become righteous..You will have to take it up with Jesus.. He SAVED US...and yes, we ALL still fall into sin...some sins we don't even know about..So how are OUR sins any different? I DO NOT condone homosexual realtionships, However, I dont judge people who SIN differently than I DO...and neither should you..God Bless
Doctor REALITY

Conway, AR

#470095 Dec 10, 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/pot-legalized-colo-govs... One of the many signs of the end-times is WIDESPREAD MORAL DECAY. One of the responsibilities of leaders is to be an example of righteousness. But every day in the news we're seeing the exact opposite from many of the people who have been entrusted to make righteous,moral decisions that will benefit the physical and spiritual well-being of the people of the land. Gay marriages....marajuana legalization....taking God out of schools...Though the Lord expects righteous,godly people to fight for,and stand for,that which is moral and holy,the people of the Lord know that Satan the devil is the invisible force behind all that is opposed to the righteous ways of the Lord Jesus Christ. And they know that this current world of sin and evil and wickedness is passing away. And we know that Satan and his followers are opposing the Lord with all of their might and spirit because they know what their end will be when they stand before the King of Glory,who they CHOSE to rebel against when they enjoyed total bliss and innocence in heaven. Yes,we know who's ultimately behind the new world order and the one world government movement. And the 'dragon' will lead many to hell with him.

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#470096 Dec 10, 2012
REVELATION

Rev 1:8 (Part 5)

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, THE ALMIGHTY."

1. The Almighty - Jesus is not only the Son of Man but He is also The Mighty God...

A. "Then Jesus came to them and said,'All authority in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN to Me.' " mt 28:18

B. "The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands." Jn 3:35

(1) Are you saying that God The Father has given it to Jesus? Yes sir indeedy. Don't believe me, believe in Jesus' and His own words above. Here is Paul's and Peter's estimations:

a. Paul: "For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ." hmmmmm... I Cor 15:27

b. Peter: "...and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—WITH ANGELS, AUTHORITIES and powers IN SUBMISSION to Him." I Peter 3:21-22

*(Oh, btw... who or what hinders you from going through with the sacrament of water baptism? Consider following Jesus and the Apostles' example, take it on faith. Have you considered why others are trying to discourage you and hinder you from getting baptized with water?)

2. The Almighty - So yes, it's a given that God the Father is The Almighty... Jesus, the Son is the Almighty, also. Like Father, like Son....

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#470098 Dec 10, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
...kind of like Linus with the security blanket. If one takes it away he'll have a fit. In this case, OSAS security being that blanket but in the same way as Linus, provides for a false security.

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Exactly.

"Withdrawals." That's funny.
Qu_innocence wrote:
Yes that's true. Sometimes all one can do though is be like that farmer who sows the good seed. Some will fall on good ground as well as the other places. Just depends on the spiritual condition of those who receive that word at the time it is given. What you may sow as seed some may in turn think that you are sowing tares. It really takes a lot of prayer and patience my brother.
Sadly, I do allow frustration to overcome me, at times.

Not to liken myself to our anointed Savior even slightly, I can understand why he got to the point of anger (Mark 3:5) and tears (Luke 19:41) after being repeatedly rejected by the religious leaders of Israel and those that feared them. I mean, as the gods of Israel, they, more than any other, should have welcomed not only him, but his teachings, as well! But, like you said, the servant is not greater than the master.

I appreciate you, my Brother.

Until next time...

Shalowm.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#470100 Dec 10, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
We ALL fall into some sort of temptation. You are refering to a homosexual, However, Sin is sin and I dont believe God has a sliding scale from 1 to 10...If a TRUE Believer has been born again, been baptized with the Holy Spirit, then The Holy Spirit will never leave a true believer. EVER!! For example, Romans 8:9
The fact that the Holy Spirit will never leave a believer is also seen in Ephesians 1:13-14 where believers are said to be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit,“who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.” The picture of being sealed with the Spirit is one of ownership and possession. God has promised eternal life to all who believe in Christ, and as a guarantee that He will keep His promise, He has sent the Holy Spirit to indwell the believer until the day of redemption.
While the Holy Spirit will never leave a believer, it is possible for our sin to “quench the Holy Spirit”(1 Thessalonians 5:19) or “grieve the Holy Spirit”(Ephesians 4:30). Sin always has consequences in our relationship with God. While our relationship with God is secure in Christ, unconfessed sin in our lives can hinder our fellowship with God and effectively quench the Holy Spirit’s working in our lives. That is why it is so important to confess our sins because God is “faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”(1 John 1:9). So, while the Holy Spirit will never leave us, the benefits and joy of His presence can in fact depart from us.
We didn't SAVE Ourselves...Jesus bought and paid for our sins. HE Bacame Sin SO WE could become righteous..You will have to take it up with Jesus.. He SAVED US...and yes, we ALL still fall into sin...some sins we don't even know about..So how are OUR sins any different? I DO NOT condone homosexual realtionships, However, I dont judge people who SIN differently than I DO...and neither should you..God Bless
1. Jesus: "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of A GREATER SIN." jn 19:11

2. Apostle John: "If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that." I Jn 5:16

3. Prophet Ezekiel: Ez 8:12-15

4. Apostle Paul: Men will go from bad to worse... Jesus: Men will wax worse and worse and the love of many will grow cold.
Doctor REALITY

Conway, AR

#470102 Dec 10, 2012
Prince Helmut Pipke wrote:
<quoted text>
my dear son dr reality
great post you posted,
only don't put blue marks web pages where from you get those information.we need spiritual nourishment,not to look at someone written web pages
May God bless you my son and bro in Christ
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