Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#469873 Dec 8, 2012
TIM958 wrote:
What I am trying to point out is that after we believe in God we can wander far away and if we don't turn back on our own God will put something in our life to bring us back. Being a Christian is not following rules and laws it is serving him out of a heart of gratitude. If we lose that thankful heart we will wander! If we wander too far he will do something to bring us back to love him. We need to review and refresh our thinking to be as close to Him as possible. When we want to do His will we are in the right p[lace and the Holy Spirit will guide us to do what he wants us to do. Then we are filled with the Spirit which means fulfilling what He would have for us to do. No one ever accomplishes this fully because of our sin nature and the fight we constantly have with sin. Yet He is the one who accomplishes His work in us. We are just clean vessels and our heart is God's heart. My favorite verse is: Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Good early morning Tim, I can understand why you are saying this due to Calvinistic interpretations... I was looking at 5 major points of Calvinism also known by the acronymn of T.U.L.I.P....

Regarading the "U" which you already know stands for "Unconditional Election"... which is the Calvinistic interpretation of predestination... I was surprised to learn that Calvinists believe that God already had a master list before Genesis 1:1 of who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Now I can better understand your own mode of thinking regarding Once Saved Always Saved from a Calvinist's standpoint.

But doesn't that viewpoint contradict John 3:16 and even the concepts of free will? What's the point if you're predestined to go to heaven and others are predestined to go to hell? How would this Calvinistic interpretation make God fair and just?

Personally, I believe God chose everyone before the foundations of the world but because of Adam's disobedience, sin entered the world and set the course of nature on fire, so to speak. Add in a dash of freewill and a cup of stubborness, and only a few will be saved.

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#469874 Dec 8, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:2-3)
Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith" (Heb. 12:1-2)
Grace means that God gets all the credit!
It is His salvation!
It is His LIFE! It is His working!
It is His power!
To God be the glory!
Worthy is the Lamb! May Christ be magnified in our bodies (Phil. 1:20)! May the beauty of the Lord God rest upon us! May Christ be formed in us
(Gal. 4:19)! May His fruit be to His glory (Phil. 1:11)! May we be trophies of His grace (Eph. 2:7)!
Oh to grace how great a debtor daily I'm constrained to be! "By the grace of God I am what I am!" (1 Cor. 15:10).
"That, according as it is written, He that glorieth (boasteth), let him glory (boast) in the Lord!" (1 Cor. 1:31)
The only thing I can say to the scriptures is amen. But that still doesn't directly have anything to do with discussion at hand, we can't use tbe Word against itself because Christ is not divided.

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#469875 Dec 8, 2012
Red Apples wrote:
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God's Holy Word does indeed teach "once saved always saved". Sadly you don't see it. And rather than looking into what many in here have tried to get you to see in God's Holy Word concerning the subject you've chosen to mock and try to ridicule with your jokes just like unbelievers do. That in itself speaks volumes about you Lawest and the lie you believe and are trying to sell in here.
All I can say is the following scripture describes what has happened to you to a "T". Believing a lie you've been deceived.
2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11.
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Sad truly sad!!
Sorry Apples, but what is really sad is the irony behind your entire post when you yourself ate really tossed up on so many subjects in the Word yourself, you cannot show anyone something that is not there to be seen. If you honestly believe that you can live a sin infested life and yet maintain salvation in Christ Jesus then the strong delusion has been sent to you.

Again in your correspondence to myself and others over time on this thread you stand against many of God's truths staring you directly in your face from the pages of the Bible, and yet you still claim God, you ignore scriptures like Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 6:4-6 just to name a very few as well as many other scriptures on various other subjects, you are among the least qualified here to try to scold anyone over the scriptures and definitely one who falls greatly in line with one whom God has sent a strong delusion.

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#469876 Dec 8, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
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Was not sure where you was taking this.
No two people ever think the same.
There is never a shortage of opinions.
Always remember when I post scripture I
am only trying to share as I think God
would want me to do.Hope you did enjoy
the reading of them.Have a good evening.
I understand Lil' W, thank you and have a Blessed night.

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#469877 Dec 8, 2012
Senecus wrote:
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"One Flew East, One Flew West, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest"
Just watch out for Nurse Ratched ;)
Hope yer night is well ,Drew:)
Time for Dae Joyong...
Good evening John. How're you tonight?

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#469878 Dec 8, 2012
T.U.L.I.P (Calvinist doctrine)

1. Give me a T - Total hereditary depravity... Calvinist: babies inherit Adam's sin nature and are totally depraved.(mine: now I do believe that we inherit Adamic sin nature but still yet, Jesus did say, regarding children, that such are the Kingdom of God).

2. Give me a U -...already discussed in my last post.

3. Give me an L - Limited Atonement ... Calvinist: God did not die for all men (Mine: I believe Jesus died for all per the scriptures... romans 5:19 is one of them,)

4. Give me an I - Irresistable Grace... Calvinist: The Holy Spirit removes depraved nature, replaces with saving faith, Holy Spirit guides and gives interpretation of scriptures.(Mine: I believe in irresistable Grace, The Holy Spirit gives us a new nature... but that depraved nature is still in there warring against the Spirit as it says in Galatians 5:17... we still have that free-will to choose to go with the fleshly nature or the guidance of The Holy Spirit... this is why Apostle Paul used the metaphor that he beats his body and makes it his slave... He does so in order to follow the Holy Spirit... if not, then after he preached to others then he himself would be a castaway)

5. Give me a "P" - Persevarance of the Saints... basically, the Once Saved Always Saved gospel.(mine: I would agree that the saints ought to persevere in the Lord and in doing so we will preserve our salvation... but I can't agree with once saved always saved and that God already had a master list... sorry)

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Those are pretty much the 5 pillars of calvinism that I've read on Tim and I put a sliver of my own views on the matter in a nutshell. I've noticed thru researching other denoms. history that this same familiar philosophy morphed into Baptist and other denoms...(same thread weaving as Drew somewhat mentioned a day or two ago). I used to believe OSAS as this is what I was taught.. but having a little deeper understanding of the issues - for myself, I couldn't agree any longer with those various T.U.L.I.P postions...

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#469879 Dec 8, 2012
Welp, saying hello and Good early mornin' to Bros. Lawest & RA, Bros LL & Drew, Sisters HFN, LW & SP?, Lele & HU, Dr.R and Shinky Dink and everyone else...

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#469880 Dec 8, 2012
Edit: "Those are pretty much the 5 pillars of calvinism that I've read, Tim (addressing Tim)

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#469881 Dec 8, 2012
Have a good rest...

:)

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#469882 Dec 8, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
Welp, saying hello and Good early mornin' to Bros. Lawest & RA, Bros LL & Drew, Sisters HFN, LW & SP?, Lele & HU, Dr.R and Shinky Dink and everyone else...
And a early good morning to you as well Qu. It seems like you and I pretty much keep the same hours.

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

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#469883 Dec 9, 2012
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Good evening John. How're you tonight?
Having my Korean lessons right now(yes.I keep odd hours too;)

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

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#469884 Dec 9, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
T.U.L.I.P (Calvinist doctrine)
1. Give me a T - Total hereditary depravity... Calvinist: babies inherit Adam's sin nature and are totally depraved.(mine: now I do believe that we inherit Adamic sin nature but still yet, Jesus did say, regarding children, that such are the Kingdom of God).
2. Give me a U -...already discussed in my last post.
3. Give me an L - Limited Atonement ... Calvinist: God did not die for all men (Mine: I believe Jesus died for all per the scriptures... romans 5:19 is one of them,)
4. Give me an I - Irresistable Grace... Calvinist: The Holy Spirit removes depraved nature, replaces with saving faith, Holy Spirit guides and gives interpretation of scriptures.(Mine: I believe in irresistable Grace, The Holy Spirit gives us a new nature... but that depraved nature is still in there warring against the Spirit as it says in Galatians 5:17... we still have that free-will to choose to go with the fleshly nature or the guidance of The Holy Spirit... this is why Apostle Paul used the metaphor that he beats his body and makes it his slave... He does so in order to follow the Holy Spirit... if not, then after he preached to others then he himself would be a castaway)
5. Give me a "P" - Persevarance of the Saints... basically, the Once Saved Always Saved gospel.(mine: I would agree that the saints ought to persevere in the Lord and in doing so we will preserve our salvation... but I can't agree with once saved always saved and that God already had a master list... sorry)
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Those are pretty much the 5 pillars of calvinism that I've read on Tim and I put a sliver of my own views on the matter in a nutshell. I've noticed thru researching other denoms. history that this same familiar philosophy morphed into Baptist and other denoms...(same thread weaving as Drew somewhat mentioned a day or two ago). I used to believe OSAS as this is what I was taught.. but having a little deeper understanding of the issues - for myself, I couldn't agree any longer with those various T.U.L.I.P postions...
Good morning Quinn:)

This discussion was beaten to a pulp in the past (way in the past), followed it off and on last few days and has taken all the predicable twist and turns it generally does. For the uninitiated the "once saved always saved" is properly known as "The Doctrine of Eternal Security". It is derived from the writings of John Calvin ,16th century French Reformist. His magnum opus was "The Institutes"(aka- "Institutes of the Christian Religion"). Their are those who feel the Calvinism of today has strayed Calvin's original work. Read them and you be the judge, whosoever will;)

I could attempt to 'harmonize' both "camps" - but I think what might be interesting would be the scripture "supporting' both "camps" be posted and the challenge - "ok, now harmonize" - be given.
Just a suggestion, have fun:)

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#469885 Dec 9, 2012
Senecus wrote:
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Having my Korean lessons right now(yes.I keep odd hours too;)
Good, have a great night/early morning.

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

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#469886 Dec 9, 2012
Also, many don't realise those who hold to a Reformed or Calvinist position don't necessarily adhere to all 5 'points' of T.U.L.I.P. Some may have heard a believer in a discussion say "Well, I'm a 2 pointer " or "..a 3 point Calvinist..." - meaning they only hold to certain portions of the TULIP.

AS in much of Christendom there can be overlap of doctrine. But, as always ,the 'essentials' of the faith must secure the foundation, or we speak of "another Gospel".

Have a good night/morning...

“"None shall pass"”

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#469887 Dec 9, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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....What I am seeing from your post is...I...I...I...I...AND I...
Because you asked me what "I DID".

Sorry I ansered the question, I didn't think you were setting trap.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#469888 Dec 9, 2012
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Morning....

It Is the Lords Day!!

“The greatest way to live with honor in this world
is to be what we pretend to be.”

~ Socrates

Prime Time with God

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“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#469889 Dec 9, 2012
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Today's Prayer

Dear God, I want to feel your presence in my life in a greater way. I want more of you, to draw closer to you. I want to keep my priorities straight, to have my sight focused on you and my life to revolve around you. Please help me to balance my life--my work, church, family, friends, ministry time, and devotional time with you. Please give me wisdom and strength to do what is right in all that I must do. And I thank you, God, for guiding me and blessing me in so many ways, and for working in me to do your good will. In Jesus' name I pray and praise you. Amen.

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“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#469890 Dec 9, 2012
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Encouraging Words....

“No power in the sky above or in the earth below - indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God.”

Romans 8:39

K-Love

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“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#469891 Dec 9, 2012
Senecus wrote:
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Having my Korean lessons right now(yes.I keep odd hours too;)
Are you going to visit your wife's family (or is she from the Phillipines)?

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#469892 Dec 9, 2012
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Celtic Women...A Christmas Celebration

http://youtu.be/Jga12Im8cvk

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