Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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Dr shrink lil dink 007 wrote:
Dink 007 play big shot,and poop giant.
Poop Giant huh Vern ...
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Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for the love and respect.
Look,brother Bruce Lee....or whatever your name is...I was just trying to get you to lighten up on the seriousness with which you're taking these internet forums.

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P-U 007, you stink!
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I completly agree!

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The audience of the Lord when he told the story of the prodigal son was tax collectors, sinners, Pharisees and scribes. Wasn't the prodigal son a sinner and the brother a Pharisee?

John 17:3 says: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Does it say our source of knowledge is only from the Bible? Isn't God everywhere? Isn't even a flower a thought of God?

Doesn't Paul say: 2Ti 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

Is there not help from wiser and better to teach the unlearned and immature?

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To AnnieJ, LAWEST100, and Doctor REALITY...
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BLL...don't spend much time worrying about DR's Christian love...he has wished me raped, beaten and murdered before. LOL

Don't worry about his salvation though...he has it covered.
If this "Doctor REALITY" is truly a believer, I pray that you just merely misunderstood his comments! No (and I repeat, NO) saved believer would ever wish such atrocities on any person! Not after we've been commanded to be at peace with all people!

What was it that our anointed Savior requested while he hung on the cross, feeling his life seep from his very being? Oh, yeah...

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do (Luke 23:43)."

Don't you find it disturbingly odd when the so-called "moral" and "religious" complain about the conditions of our world, but seem to have no reserves with contributing to them?
LAWEST100 wrote:
Good evening BLL, don't feel like the Lone Ranger bro, I have posed a question/scenario to some of the OSAS theology believers here and only Doc R attempted to answer it and failed miserably, don't let his nastiness bother you because he's basically only good at ignoring then responding to and don't stop posting your comments because there are those who will respond.

Blessings.
Thank you, my friend.

Perhaps, I should re-post them? Maybe,(just maybe) I'll get a response this time.
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Look,brother Bruce Lee....or whatever your name is...I was just trying to get you to lighten up on the seriousness with which you're taking these internet forums.
I apologize if I seem a bit too sensitive for you. But, considering the nature of this discussion, I thought it deserved my utmost seriousness. In addition and at times, it's hard to determine a person's true attitude just by reading what they had posted.

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Then you are Blessed....Sora should register
Bonsoir Ephiphany2, I am indeed!
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Hello, Sora. God is the one who perfects. We need to be willing vessels who are the clay in His hands. I can certainly see what He has accomplished in my life, and these are things I am sure that I would not have done on my own. His grace, in this age, is sufficient.
And you does provide for our needs, and He's always on time.
Have a great afternoon.
Bonsoir Drew, I agree with this completely. With God we are never alone and all things are taken care of, have a wonderful afternoon as well, God bless you in all that you do.

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Where does Jesus say "Do nothing, just believe what the Roman Church says and I will let you into heaven."
In fact, where does Jesus (not Paul) say anything about forgiveness being by grace ?
WHy love anyone like He taught if it means nothing. And even why does one have to "believe" if it is "free" by grace ? That isn't free nor grace. It is a condition just like works.
Hello G
You are close!! Here is where Jesus said that.

John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.(KJV)

In v27 Jesus told them to work for the meat that endures unto everlasting life that the Son of man shall give unto you. The people ask Jesus what work is it they are to do. Jesus answers by telling them to believe "ye believe", that is, you do the work of believing. So belief is the work that endures to everlasting life. Belief is not a work God does for you, it is a work that you must do.

Jn 3:36 ASV "He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Works and obediance is NOT the root of Christianity..Its the FRUIT..

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Grace...faith and works might not be the same...but they are dependent upon each other in order to survive.
Faith Without Works Is Dead
James 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them,“Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say,“You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says,“Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Without work...faith is dead. Dead...no longer exists...if faith no longer exists...can you still have salvation?
You might say that faith inspires the work...I can agree with that. The question is...if the works don't follow...did one truly have faith. The above verses indicated that they are dependent upon each other. Faith can not survive without works...remember it tells us faith is dead.
Grace...before something can die...it has to have existed. If ones faith dies...are they still covered under "once saved always saved"?
You say that salvation is a gift given through the grace of God. You have given examples of how there are no conditions on a gift...it is free. Yet in these verses it tells us that your faith (salvation) will die unless you do the "work" to maintain that faith. That IMO...is a condition...as if we are being told...I will give you this free gift of salvation but it is up to you to take care of it...if you don't...then that gift will no longer exist.
Hi Annie,

Works and Obedience are not the ROOT of Christianity..Its the FRUIT..
Maybe this will explain it better...

http://answersfromthebook.org/2010/04/09/is-s...

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AnnieJ wrote:
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Ya know shrinky..I do not give a flip what you think nor if you approve of my posts or not.
No has to read nor comment on any post that I make...I am okay with that. If they choose to...I am okay with that also.
You however do not have the authority to censor what I post...
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Bonsoir Annie, in forums like these many can be difficult and selfish forgive them anyway, Sora has been insulted several times already but he forgives them, kindness is a luxury that we can afford more of in this world.
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Bonsoir Annie, I have learned that when dealing with those who are difficult to please, I pray that they be forgiven and their hearts be softened. If we feed their anger we shall have more in return. We must be compassionate towards all people I believe.

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Grace Walker wrote:
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Hi G... As grand a ritual as the Day of Atonement was, everyone knew that it was insufficient. All they were doing were buying time. This was merely a temporary reprieve. Everyone knew that the blood of goats and bulls could not really take away sin. Before the day was done the people would have additional sin to atone for. The next day, the endless sacrifices would continue. The Day of Atonement helps us understand what Christ came to do. The doctrine of atonement reached its clearest expression under the Old Law in the events of the Day of Atonement. Upon that day, the high priest took blood for his household and the rest of the people into the holy of holies to make atonement for sin, to cleanse them from their spiritual "uncleanness" (Lev. 16:30). The writer of Hebrews reveals that this ritual was a type of the sacrifice offered by Christ (Heb. 9). Jesus made atonement for our "uncleanness" when He shed His blood and then, as our High Priest, presented His blood before the Father. The atonement of Christ was offered because man was estranged from God. The cause of that estrangement was sin and it is amply clear that the blood of Christ was shed for the forgiveness of sin (Eph. 1:7; Heb. 9:26-28). When His blood "covers" our sins we can again enjoy the fellowship with God that had been interrupted by sin (Rom. 5:1, 9-10). Because of the atonement of Christ, man can be reconciled to God.
Upon what basis was Jesus an approved sacrifice ?
According to Levirius you can't just kill an animal and call it a sacrifice. It has to be done according to the rules.

Where are the rules listed that make Jesus a proper sacrifice as Christians claim ? If you can't support the claim with Scripture written before he was crucified then you have nothing but Christian traditions created long after Jesus was dead.

All the sacrifices are spelled out in Leviticus.
Here is a list of most of them:
http://www3.telus.net/public/kstam/en/taberna...

Which one is Jesus ?

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Grace Walker wrote:
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The relationship between faith and works is that works are the result of faith. In the Bible, faith and works are very often contrasted. They are not the same thing, and the combination of faith and works does not bring salvation. Salvation is by faith alone.
Rom. 3:28,“For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”
Rom. 4:5,“But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness.”
Gal. 2:16,“nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus…”
False religious systems always teach that faith plus a person's works result in salvation. This is false, because our good works are filthy rags before God (Isa. 64:6). Therefore, we can’t do anything to please God by our good works. Gal. 2:21 says that if righteousness comes by the law (works), then Christ died needlessly.
Grace and truth CAME by Jesus Christ..Grace is God's unmerited favor. That is, grace is God doing good for us that we do not deserve
So in reality, Jesus Christ IS Grace.. Have a great day G Got a 10 hour work day ahead of me
http://www.learnthebible.org/what-is-grace.ht...
I asked "what did Jesus, not Paul, say about it ?" Yet you cited Paul.

Paul is not Jesus, not God and IMHO not worth the paper his letters are written on.

Why do Christians use Paul instead of Jesus to back their claims about Jesus what Jesus said ?

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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Well said Annie, you exposed that hypocrite's fallacy just for what it is.
And we agree again! <smile>

I give you props for that post!

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Qu_innocence wrote:
Good Morning folks, I went ahead and passed on the once saved always saved doctrine that some espouse on here to the folks on the Why I'm No Longer a Christian Thread. That those on there who had truly accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, and got saved, and now blaspheme Him and Christians could and now live it up to their heart's desire. There is nothing that they could do about their Salvation... might as well do their worst...it's a done deal... hey, they are saved anyways.
Luther did a long dialogue on that idea. I am not sure if he was serious or pointing out how ludicrous the idea was. His famous comment to 'go forth and sin mightly as proof of your salvation' is either massive reductio ad absurdinam or proof of his lunacy.

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You're being very deceitful and dishonest with what you said in your post Q.
You said quote: "I went ahead and passed on the once saved always saved doctrine that some espouse on here to the folks on the Why I'm No Longer a Christian Thread."
Than you went on to say quote: "That those on there who had truly accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, and got saved, and now blaspheme Him and Christians could and now live it up to their heart's desire."
Nobody (and I mean nobody) that has said they believe that God's Holy Word teaches that "once a person is saved they can't lose their salvation" has ever "espoused" that once someone is saved that "they should go out and just live it up to their heart's desire".
In fact they've been saying just the opposite of that.
What you said in your post is very deceitful and dishonest.
No. He is being very honest. You are the one being ignorant.
I present you your good friend DR as proof. You and others pat him on the back and tell him what a good saved Christian he is, even when he was threating Annie with rape and murder.

I won't call you a liar, Red. You are just a biased and deluded old fart. May you live long and happily anyway.

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Drew H wrote:
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That is correct. We know who we are. Romans 8:16, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirits that we are children of God."
Paul isn't Jesus or God. His words are worthless.... just like yours.

Why don't you tell all these "Fake Christians" how they are all wrong and if they don't believe exactly what you claim God has directly revealed to you then they are unsaved and tools of Satan ?

You are not only a fraud but a coward as well.

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Drew H wrote:
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I stand by what I said. And when the premise is flawed, all ensuing ideas, arguments and conclusions are baseless and grossly incorrect.
As usual you can't back up a single one of your attacks on me.

You are the same egotistical fraud you have always been.

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Grace Walker wrote:
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Hello G
You are close!! Here is where Jesus said that.
John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.(KJV)
In v27 Jesus told them to work for the meat that endures unto everlasting life that the Son of man shall give unto you. The people ask Jesus what work is it they are to do. Jesus answers by telling them to believe "ye believe", that is, you do the work of believing. So belief is the work that endures to everlasting life. Belief is not a work God does for you, it is a work that you must do.
Jn 3:36 ASV "He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."
Works and obediance is NOT the root of Christianity..Its the FRUIT..
Thank you. Very good, an actual alleged quote of Jesus.

Now, two questions:

1. What does "believe on(in)" mean ?
2. In what other Gospels does Jesus say this ?

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Grace Walker wrote:
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....Works and obediance is NOT the root of Christianity..Its the FRUIT..
What good is a fig tree with no fruit ?

The fruit tells you the quality of the root. Rotted roots yield rotted fruit or no fruit at all.

A common thread in many of Jesus' parables.

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