Prince Helmut Pipke

Baltimore, MD

#469630 Dec 6, 2012
TIM958 wrote:
<quoted text>
The term once saved always saved is a man made term that is very simplistic. Yet the design of the atonement is also a man made term and is very much a topic of discussion. It relates very well with this thread that goes off topic most of the time. Yes it is true that the Bible teaches this topic and in its pages are all we need to understand it but most of us don't have time to go into it at the level of a scholar and Dr. Johnson was very qualified as a biblical scholar. He was a Greek New Testament scholar as well as one of the best theology teachers that Dallas Seminary ever produces when it comes to the question of the Perseverance of the Saints. He was very much a Calvinist. It is always good to consider the teachings of ones that are much smarter then you or I on a particular subject. I would be glad to listen to whoever you can link me to to compare notes.:^)
sorry sir
I never count on explanation educative by this world teachers,theologians,or priests after seminars

Bible clearly tell to those who are saved
is sent by God Holy Spirit and directly teach them sound doctrines of Bible

John 14;6..is answer who is the truth and the way.JESUS CHRIST,

not earthly churches,credited theologians by deceived spiritual knowledge of this world

one time saved is biblical doctrine directed only to those who ARE TRULY SAVED BY DIRECTION OF HOLY SPIRIT,not man made teachings,or any earthly church.

calvin was very close in spiritual understanding, but he was human like all of us,
and not calvinism is true worship,

ONLY TRUE BELIEVERS WHO WORSHIP GOD IN SPIRIT AND THE TRUTH?

look at moder example of camping teachings leaded nowhere,horible dissapointment, and toaday vegetable low profile sermons so called on familyradio"special message" what camping calvinistic follower have special in those sermons on radio,
if he is today complete vegetable,and not able to think independently

"cursed is a man who trust in man"

Psalm 118;9
IT IS BETTER TO TRUST IN THE LORD THAN TO PUT CONFIDENCES IN PRINCES(MEN)

May God bless you TIM
Prince Helmut Pipke

Baltimore, MD

#469631 Dec 6, 2012
TIM958 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is always good to consider the teachings of ones that are much smarter then you or I on a particular subject. I would be glad to listen to whoever you can link me to to compare notes.:^)
let me humbly rebuke you?
how you can know how smart I am?

I will give you only one link-Bible and prayer for quidence of Holy Spirit,and receive seat before feet of Most Holy One Great teacher 5 Mose 33;3 ?

<smile>

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#469632 Dec 6, 2012
Prince Helmut Pipke wrote:
<quoted text>
I see?
you try to dictate others your terms,
without of someone wishes people are beaten and murdered,
but tormenting yourselves with someone stupid wishes makes you as most suffered person causing yourselves damage of your soul and body
giving advices others doesn't sound right,
esspecialy from unbeliever to believer BLL
Salvation is only reserved gifts from those who will receive Gods salvation,
and you and your comments and advices are excluded from this.
Think mama Annie about this,and try to grow up with your worthless comments
have good evening if possible?
Ya know shrinky..I do not give a flip what you think nor if you approve of my posts or not.

No has to read nor comment on any post that I make...I am okay with that. If they choose to...I am okay with that also.

You however do not have the authority to censor what I post...

:-)
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#469633 Dec 6, 2012
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
BLL play big spiritual shot,and spiritual pope giant.
only forget giving daily witness among street people,or markets or malls?
God bless you my dear papa boo dr Reality
2 doctors always mostly agree with their diagnoses
bye bye byeeeeeeeeeeeee

“Bacon Bacon ”

Since: Dec 06

SW Burbs Chicago

#469634 Dec 6, 2012
Prince Helmut Pipke wrote:
<quoted text>
sorry sir
I never count on explanation educative by this world teachers,theologians,or priests after seminars
Bible clearly tell to those who are saved
is sent by God Holy Spirit and directly teach them sound doctrines of Bible
John 14;6..is answer who is the truth and the way.JESUS CHRIST,
not earthly churches,credited theologians by deceived spiritual knowledge of this world
one time saved is biblical doctrine directed only to those who ARE TRULY SAVED BY DIRECTION OF HOLY SPIRIT,not man made teachings,or any earthly church.
calvin was very close in spiritual understanding, but he was human like all of us,
and not calvinism is true worship,
ONLY TRUE BELIEVERS WHO WORSHIP GOD IN SPIRIT AND THE TRUTH?
look at moder example of camping teachings leaded nowhere,horible dissapointment, and toaday vegetable low profile sermons so called on familyradio"special message" what camping calvinistic follower have special in those sermons on radio,
if he is today complete vegetable,and not able to think independently
"cursed is a man who trust in man"
Psalm 118;9
IT IS BETTER TO TRUST IN THE LORD THAN TO PUT CONFIDENCES IN PRINCES(MEN)
May God bless you TIM
This sounds a little self righteous to me. You mean that if I take a English text I can with that alone discern the mind of the Holy Spirit. Is this assumption out of line with your idea that only a Biblical text is necessary to know what God would have me to do? So learning the original language is a waste of time. And any translation will do? Give me guidance here! You are on here for a reason aren't you? to enlighten the masses? hmmmm

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#469635 Dec 6, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Lawest...I wasn't trying to expose anyone. Usually people do that all on their own.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say "once saved always saved" and then turn around and tell someone that they are an unbeliever simply because they believe differently.
Unless one is playing at being God you also can not go around telling someone that they are not saved or never have been. Last time I checked it does not say that on Judgment Day that God will judge based on the recommendations of mortals.
This argument has been around at least since my childhood. It was just as divisive then as it is now. It turned brother against brother...just as it continues to do so. I find that sad...
I know Annie, a better term would have been to say that you pointed out his double standard, and you are right nonetheless.

Blessings.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#469636 Dec 6, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Oops! Wipe your feet DR...you just stepped in your own pile of doodoo.
If you believe "once saved always saved" then no matter if Lawest and others believe that you can fall from grace...they is still saved.
Unless you are saying that Lawest was never saved to begin with. If you are then you have just stepped on God's toes...I thought he was the one that made that decision.
Are you saying that you believe Lawest and others were never saved? Obviously you are or you would not have called him an unbeliever.
No,Annie. I'm saying they're saved even though they've been taught that they're NOT saved when they have unrepented of sin that they're aware of. But guess what?? What about all of the 'sin' that's DEEP in the CAVES of the 'still living sin nature' that the Holy Ghost sees when they're not even fully aware of it?? Should the Holy Ghost send them a 'spiritual email' to make them fully aware of THOSE sins?? I'm just keepin' it REAL.(Kinda' like these chicken legs and hot sauce I'm enjoying right now...Thank You,Lord Jesus Christ for these here chicken legs)

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#469637 Dec 6, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
I'm confused as to why some of you (and you know who you are) overlooked my contributions to this discussion, entirely? Is this the norm, here? Is it a requirement to become a legitimate "reg" before I'm recognized on the floor?
I'm just asking...
Shalowm.
Good evening BLL, don't feel like the Lone Ranger bro, I have posed a question/scenario to some of the OSAS theology believers here and only Doc R attempted to answer it and failed miserably, don't let his nastiness bother you because he's basically only good at ignoring then responding to and don't stop posting your comments because there are those who will respond.

Blessings.

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#469638 Dec 6, 2012
Prince Shrink Lil Dink wrote:
I see?
Double dork 007!!!!!!!

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#469639 Dec 6, 2012
Dr shrink lil dink 007 wrote:
Dink 007 play big shot,and poop giant.
Poop Giant huh Vern ...
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#469640 Dec 6, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for the love and respect.
Look,brother Bruce Lee....or whatever your name is...I was just trying to get you to lighten up on the seriousness with which you're taking these internet forums.

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#469641 Dec 6, 2012
P-U 007, you stink!
Dr shrink lil dink Big Poop wrote:
I completly agree!

“Bacon Bacon ”

Since: Dec 06

SW Burbs Chicago

#469642 Dec 6, 2012
The audience of the Lord when he told the story of the prodigal son was tax collectors, sinners, Pharisees and scribes. Wasn't the prodigal son a sinner and the brother a Pharisee?

John 17:3 says: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Does it say our source of knowledge is only from the Bible? Isn't God everywhere? Isn't even a flower a thought of God?

Doesn't Paul say: 2Ti 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

Is there not help from wiser and better to teach the unlearned and immature?

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#469643 Dec 6, 2012
To AnnieJ, LAWEST100, and Doctor REALITY...
AnnieJ wrote:
BLL...don't spend much time worrying about DR's Christian love...he has wished me raped, beaten and murdered before. LOL

Don't worry about his salvation though...he has it covered.
If this "Doctor REALITY" is truly a believer, I pray that you just merely misunderstood his comments! No (and I repeat, NO) saved believer would ever wish such atrocities on any person! Not after we've been commanded to be at peace with all people!

What was it that our anointed Savior requested while he hung on the cross, feeling his life seep from his very being? Oh, yeah...

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do (Luke 23:43)."

Don't you find it disturbingly odd when the so-called "moral" and "religious" complain about the conditions of our world, but seem to have no reserves with contributing to them?
LAWEST100 wrote:
Good evening BLL, don't feel like the Lone Ranger bro, I have posed a question/scenario to some of the OSAS theology believers here and only Doc R attempted to answer it and failed miserably, don't let his nastiness bother you because he's basically only good at ignoring then responding to and don't stop posting your comments because there are those who will respond.

Blessings.
Thank you, my friend.

Perhaps, I should re-post them? Maybe,(just maybe) I'll get a response this time.
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Look,brother Bruce Lee....or whatever your name is...I was just trying to get you to lighten up on the seriousness with which you're taking these internet forums.
I apologize if I seem a bit too sensitive for you. But, considering the nature of this discussion, I thought it deserved my utmost seriousness. In addition and at times, it's hard to determine a person's true attitude just by reading what they had posted.

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#469645 Dec 6, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you are Blessed....Sora should register
Bonsoir Ephiphany2, I am indeed!
Sora

San Diego, CA

#469646 Dec 6, 2012
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, Sora. God is the one who perfects. We need to be willing vessels who are the clay in His hands. I can certainly see what He has accomplished in my life, and these are things I am sure that I would not have done on my own. His grace, in this age, is sufficient.
And you does provide for our needs, and He's always on time.
Have a great afternoon.
Bonsoir Drew, I agree with this completely. With God we are never alone and all things are taken care of, have a wonderful afternoon as well, God bless you in all that you do.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#469647 Dec 6, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Where does Jesus say "Do nothing, just believe what the Roman Church says and I will let you into heaven."
In fact, where does Jesus (not Paul) say anything about forgiveness being by grace ?
WHy love anyone like He taught if it means nothing. And even why does one have to "believe" if it is "free" by grace ? That isn't free nor grace. It is a condition just like works.
Hello G
You are close!! Here is where Jesus said that.

John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.(KJV)

In v27 Jesus told them to work for the meat that endures unto everlasting life that the Son of man shall give unto you. The people ask Jesus what work is it they are to do. Jesus answers by telling them to believe "ye believe", that is, you do the work of believing. So belief is the work that endures to everlasting life. Belief is not a work God does for you, it is a work that you must do.

Jn 3:36 ASV "He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Works and obediance is NOT the root of Christianity..Its the FRUIT..

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#469648 Dec 6, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Grace...faith and works might not be the same...but they are dependent upon each other in order to survive.
Faith Without Works Is Dead
James 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them,“Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say,“You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says,“Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
***
Without work...faith is dead. Dead...no longer exists...if faith no longer exists...can you still have salvation?
You might say that faith inspires the work...I can agree with that. The question is...if the works don't follow...did one truly have faith. The above verses indicated that they are dependent upon each other. Faith can not survive without works...remember it tells us faith is dead.
Grace...before something can die...it has to have existed. If ones faith dies...are they still covered under "once saved always saved"?
You say that salvation is a gift given through the grace of God. You have given examples of how there are no conditions on a gift...it is free. Yet in these verses it tells us that your faith (salvation) will die unless you do the "work" to maintain that faith. That IMO...is a condition...as if we are being told...I will give you this free gift of salvation but it is up to you to take care of it...if you don't...then that gift will no longer exist.
Hi Annie,

Works and Obedience are not the ROOT of Christianity..Its the FRUIT..
Maybe this will explain it better...

http://answersfromthebook.org/2010/04/09/is-s...

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#469649 Dec 6, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya know shrinky..I do not give a flip what you think nor if you approve of my posts or not.
No has to read nor comment on any post that I make...I am okay with that. If they choose to...I am okay with that also.
You however do not have the authority to censor what I post...
:-)
Bonsoir Annie, in forums like these many can be difficult and selfish forgive them anyway, Sora has been insulted several times already but he forgives them, kindness is a luxury that we can afford more of in this world.
Sora

San Diego, CA

#469650 Dec 6, 2012
Bonsoir Annie, I have learned that when dealing with those who are difficult to please, I pray that they be forgiven and their hearts be softened. If we feed their anger we shall have more in return. We must be compassionate towards all people I believe.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Top Stories Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Prove there's a god. (Mar '08) 28 min Lumajuice 808,872
Play "end of the word" (Jan '11) 38 min andet1987 5,531
*** All Time Favorite Songs *** (Dec '10) 38 min lil whispers 2,003
Was 9/11 a conspiracy?? (Oct '07) 56 min AussieBobby 268,787
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Va... (Jul '07) 1 hr truth 573,585
sex (May '13) 2 hr hitu 83
Umthondo omkhulu nekuku emanzi eKWT & EL 2 hr NANA 2
Straight guys: Would you ever have intercourse ... (Jul '12) 10 hr Curious_Guy1 161
Dubai massage Body To Body full service 0559... (Mar '14) 10 hr Coco 202
More from around the web