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#469283 Dec 3, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Romans 10-13
Be not mistaken, Doctor REALITY.

I, in no way, shape, or form, am in no opposition of having an assurance in either, the salvation offered us, or the salvation we've accepted. BUT...

This doesn't mean that we can, afterward, reject the same salvation we've been offered and accepted.

I'm aware of what Romans 10 through 13 says. What say you, though, regarding the scriptures I quoted? How do the scriptures I posted harmonize with this "once saved, always saved" doctrine?

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#469284 Dec 3, 2012
Jesus Christ may have suffered from schizophrenia, according to the Christian gospels. What would Jesus do? Jesus would urge pilfering, partake in temper tantrums, disrespect authority figures, abuse animals, practice bigotry and insult Gentiles.

Jesus encouraged the beating of slaves in Luke 12:47-48. Is this an example of moral superiority? Why did Jesus, the unrivaled moral example, never once speak out against slavery? Why did the loving, wise Son of God forget to mention that slavery is a brutal institution? The answer is because Jesus supported slavery! The Old Testament endorses and encourages slavery, and Jesus, being equal to God, supposedly wrote the old Judaic laws, so he had to support slavery. The writers of the gospels refused to denounce slavery because they could not conceive that there was anything wrong with it. Also read Colossians 3:22, Ephesians 6:5, First Timothy 6:1-2, Leviticus 25:44-46 and Exodus 21.

Jesus displayed violent and irrational behavior. Jesus cast some demons into pigs, and the whole herd of pigs ran violently down a steep cliff into the sea, and perished in the waters (Matthew 8:32). This is animal cruelty. Why not show a little more respect for life? In Matthew 10:34 Jesus said,“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” In Luke 22:36 Jesus told his apostles,“If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” In Matthew 21:12, Jesus probably had a schizophrenic seizure:“Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.” This violent act of vandalism probably injured some innocent doves too.

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#469285 Dec 3, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
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:-)
I Agape Annie too.....
:-)

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#469286 Dec 3, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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* However, Once I learn to love myself, I should put the concerns of others before my own.*
Can you tell me Grace what scriptures are you basing that on? Where does Jesus say to love others more than yourself?

Remember...that second greatest commandment said..."as yourself".

Please don't think that I am trying to be argumentative...I am more trying to reconcile something in my own mind.

My example growing up and what I was taught by my mother is exactly what you have said...put others before yourself.

“"None shall pass"”

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#469287 Dec 3, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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Can you tell me Grace what scriptures are you basing that on? Where does Jesus say to love others more than yourself?
Remember...that second greatest commandment said..."as yourself".
Please don't think that I am trying to be argumentative...I am more trying to reconcile something in my own mind.
My example growing up and what I was taught by my mother is exactly what you have said...put others before yourself.
Isn't that from Star Trek ?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Something the rich and powerful never do.

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#469288 Dec 3, 2012
hick-up wrote:
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We all pick & choose and withdraw. The no. 1 reason would probably be that it is a defense mechanism ...much like the little birds today. I am sure there were some that wouldn't allow themselves to retrieve a peice of donut no matter how strong the urge. And then there was the one that poked the end of my finger causing me to not only jerk my hand back inside, but also gave me second thoughts about hand feeding in the first place. Had the sea gulls of come around, I probably would of stopped hand feeding all together I'm sure.
The same is true with humans, all bias aside. Is self-preservation wrong? Is self-preservation a sin? I'm sure not. I mean who in their right mind is going to extend a hand to someone who may tear off the arm and beat one with it? Not I ...
Now I'm sure there are those who will attempt to use the "faith" logic to prove the fear is unfounded ...then let them use their own hand ...let them show by example. The idea that one can remove a thorn from the paw of a lion and make a lifelong friend is a childs story.
This is all very basic ...I haven't even touched on hate, selfishness, etc.
The point is; one does what one can, when one can. Looking away in the interest of self-preservation does not make one a lesser person anymore than trading places with one less fortunit makes one a saint. The point is; we're still left with one that has, and one that has not. Ain't life grand?
As human beings yes that is what most of us do...we withdraw from those that we assume might "rip our arms off".

I am looking beyond out natural instincts though and looking at it from a biblical stand point.

That second greatest commandment had no qualifiers...no exceptions...no if this or if that. It did not say withdraw even if you are afraid.

The "as yourself" is what I believe that it hinges on. Is our ability to love our neighbor just a reflection of how we love ourselves?

Or vice versa...is our hatred for our neighbor a reflection of how we hate ourselves.

As I said...some conversations that I read triggered these thoughts...then turned in to reflection upon my own self.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#469289 Dec 3, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Hi, I am not sure if you like contemporary christian music but if you do, listen to this song..it speaks exactly of what you just said. It reminded me of this song..I hope you enjoy it..especially when he starts talking instead of singing..awesome message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oX4k4DouqgkXX
Good morning, thank you for providing the link, right now my internet connection is a little too slow to download most videos but I'll try to find time to dowmload it at work, thanks again and you have a Blessed day.

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#469290 Dec 3, 2012
hick-up wrote:
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Hey J,
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"H"...I am just grabbing this post in order to respond to a couple of things.

You asked...what happened afterwards...

A room full of grown men just stopped and stared at me in disbelief...I still remember the looks on their faces. After what seemed like hours they just went back to arguing.

I think that is the point that I decided in my own life to ...just let God be.

(no folks...I did not say...slam the door in his face and ignore him).

Micah was criticized by many for his fishing story with God. I understood it though...understood what he meant.

When I was a child I walked through the fields of our farm...for hours. Walking until I could walk no more. The grass would often be taller than I was and the only way to see was to look straight up.

I never worried about getting lost and not being able to find my way home...no matter how far I went...

It was during those times in the field that I could just let God be.

I think it is also where I learned that God is in the wind...he is in the parting of the clouds...the rain on my face...the color of the tall grasses that surrounded me.

I spent most of my life not sharing my thoughts...not telling anyone how I felt...I kept most everything locked inside...my fears...my needs...my wants. Only out in those fields...alone in the tall grasses could I dare even think those things. I felt free to talk to God as I needed to...not as I had been taught to.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#469291 Dec 3, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
Experiencing God Day By Day:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.(2 Timothy 3:16-17)
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All Scripture is profitable! Knowing this, we cheat ourselves when we do not access every book, every truth, every verse, and every page of our Bibles for the promises and commands God has for us. Because every verse of Scripture is inspired by God and gainful to us, we should not pick and choose which verses we will read and study. We should not claim verses we like and ignore those that convict us! If we are to become mature disciples of Jesus, we must allow every Scripture to speak to us and teach us what God desires us to learn. Scripture enables us to evaluate the soundness of doctrines that are being taught. Scripture ought to be the basis for any reproof or correction we bring to another.
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If you are not firmly grounded in God’s Word, you will be bombarded with an assortment of doctrines, lifestyles, and behaviors, and you will have no means to evaluate whether or not they are of God. You cannot develop a righteous life apart from God’s Word. Righteousness must be cultivated. As you fill your mind with the words of God, and as you obey His instructions, He will guide you in the ways of righteousness. Scripture will equip you for any good work God calls you to do. If you feel inadequate for a task God has given you, search the Scriptures, for within them you will find the wisdom you need to carry out His assignment. Allow the Word of God to permeate, guide, and enrich your life.
Good morning HFN, excellent advice ans all so true, have a Blessed day.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#469292 Dec 3, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
Today's Prayer
Dear God, Thank you for this day and for Your many blessings. Please help me to have the right perspective on things. Life is short and eternity is forever. I want to start each day with a review of my priorities, and a tentative plan for where I will invest my time and energy, so that I will be sure to do what really matters. Please give me Your priorities for my life. Guide and direct my every step. In Jesus' name I pray, amen.
Prime Time with God
Amen, good morning Epi.

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#469293 Dec 3, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
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<quoted text>And in addition...
Hebrews 10:26-31
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
What Doctor REALITY must realize is that there are stipulations to salvation that must NOT be ignored. Every time the term "if" appears in scripture, this is a stipulation. For instance, 1Corinthians 15:2 says, "By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." Romans 11:22 says, "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
Even our anointed Savior made clear this stipulation when he said, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: BUT he that endureth to the end shall be saved (Matt 10:22)," and "BUT he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved (Matt 24:13)."
Yes, the term "but" serves as a stipulation, also.
There are so many more, but this should be enough. Hopefully, Doctor REALITY will see this.
I agree completely.

“Romans 8:1.”

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#469294 Dec 3, 2012
If we can lose our salvation "because of our works" than salvation by grace through faith in God wouldn't be true. Because if our works would condemn us than our works would also be what saves us.

God's Holy Word says otherwise. God's Holy Word says grace through faith in God saves us, not our works.

Ephesians 2:8-9.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#469295 Dec 3, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
"H"...I am just grabbing this post in order to respond to a couple of things.
You asked...what happened afterwards...
A room full of grown men just stopped and stared at me in disbelief...I still remember the looks on their faces. After what seemed like hours they just went back to arguing.
I think that is the point that I decided in my own life to ...just let God be.
(no folks...I did not say...slam the door in his face and ignore him).
Micah was criticized by many for his fishing story with God. I understood it though...understood what he meant.
When I was a child I walked through the fields of our farm...for hours. Walking until I could walk no more. The grass would often be taller than I was and the only way to see was to look straight up.
I never worried about getting lost and not being able to find my way home...no matter how far I went...
It was during those times in the field that I could just let God be.
I think it is also where I learned that God is in the wind...he is in the parting of the clouds...the rain on my face...the color of the tall grasses that surrounded me.
I spent most of my life not sharing my thoughts...not telling anyone how I felt...I kept most everything locked inside...my fears...my needs...my wants. Only out in those fields...alone in the tall grasses could I dare even think those things. I felt free to talk to God as I needed to...not as I had been taught to.
"Until you can see the face of God in a blade of grass, you will never hear the voice of God in the wind."

Thanks for the reminder, Annie.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#469296 Dec 3, 2012
Red Apples wrote:
If we can lose our salvation "because of our works" than salvation by grace through faith in God wouldn't be true. Because if our works would condemn us than our works would also be what saves us.
God's Holy Word says otherwise. God's Holy Word says grace through faith in God saves us, not our works.
Ephesians 2:8-9.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
True.

“"None shall pass"”

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#469297 Dec 3, 2012
Red Apples wrote:
....
God's Holy Word says otherwise....
The Bible contradicts itself constantly.

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#469300 Dec 3, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Is it fair to save a dying thief on a cross but yet send someone to hell who truly accepted Christ years ago??
I think that you are not truly understanding the message in saving the dying thief.

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#469301 Dec 3, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
"Until you can see the face of God in a blade of grass, you will never hear the voice of God in the wind."
Thanks for the reminder, Annie.
:-)

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#469304 Dec 3, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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That is from Matthew 7 and has nothing to do with Paul or 'Judaizers'(AKA Eboinites, Jerusalem Church, Church of James, NOT Pharisees).
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:22-23
I was addressing the first sentence of your previous post... "more than works".. that's why I went on a "works" tangent, my apologies:
G_O_D wrote:
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Have to be fair and add that there is an excellent case for "MORE THAN WORKS", too:
"Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly,‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" MAtthew 7:22-23
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

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As far as Matthew 7, when I read what you posted in context with the preceding verse...

Jesus: "Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven."

The folks you mentioned in Matthew 7 were doing their own thing in the Lord's Name, ambitious in their own interests... rather than doing what The Father wanted them to do. So basically they were not only using The Lord's name in vain... but working in vain.

I'm going to speak here from biblical perspective and I truly don't mean to offend anyone. A good example of what you posted is gay marriage. Now you have Pastors marrying same-sex partners... they have a gay church, go through all of the casting out devils, have a choir etc... there is nothing wrong with gays coming to church to hear what The Word of the Lord says (perhaps they will repent) but going so far as to desecrate the Holy communion of marriage is shameful to the Lord. That is definitely not the will of God... that is political correctness and the will of man. To these The Lord will say depart, I know you not.

Or when a Pastor fleeces the people of God and certain tactics to woo people out of their money to support their comfortable lifestyle while others need that money... same thing.

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#469305 Dec 3, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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The Bible contradicts itself constantly.
I don't believe The Holy Bible contradicts itself, there are explanations though.

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#469306 Dec 3, 2012
Red Apples wrote:
If we can lose our salvation "because of our works" than salvation by grace through faith in God wouldn't be true. Because if our works would condemn us than our works would also be what saves us.
God's Holy Word says otherwise. God's Holy Word says grace through faith in God saves us, not our works.
Ephesians 2:8-9.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Good Afternoon Red, if you read to verse 11 you might be able to tell that Paul was referring to the works of the mosaic law ... Paul was not referring to good works or works of love in verses 8-9. Good works is mentioned in verse 10 I believe. These good works concur with what Apostle James was talking about "Faith without works is dead".

The Judaizers were trying to supplant Paul's Ministry to the Gentile church and convinced some that they had to get circumcised per the Law of Moses. Same thing happened in Galatia. Paul was basically showing Grace versus Law.

Here is another scripture that's pretty clear to me... My only guess is that others are so steeped in denominational doctrine that they cannot see what this also is saying.

Apostle Peter: "If they HAVE ESCAPED the corruption of the world BY KNOWING our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ AND ARE AGAIN ENTANGLED in it AND OVERCOME, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them." 2 Peter 2:20 -

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Now, I'm not saying that one can easily lose their Salvation, but I am saying that one can walk away and neglect their Salvation:

"How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation?" Hebrews 2:3 (Here the Jews were going to go back to fully observe the Mosaic Law... if so then they would lose their salvation because it wouldn't merit them if they went back under The Law."

I don't mean any malice towards you or anyone else in this post...

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