Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#468605 Nov 27, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>To all of you who have continued to ask about my son, thank you. I stopped coming here to post because of the negativity. I don't need that in my life. But I do appreciate all who have continued to think of us.
Hope all of you have a great holiday season.
Happy to hear that progress is being made. you, too, have a safe and happy holiday season.
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#468606 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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When have I ever asked anyone not to believe ?
I have asked them to stop calling their interpretations and opinions 'facts' and 'truth'.
I have asked them to stop claiming to "know" what God said or didn't say.
I have asked them to be honest about the history and reality of modern Christianity and the various versions and translations of Bibles.
I am fully convinced that you believe that your beliefs are correct. That does not make them truth. Juries can believe an innocent is guilty and vice-versa but men's beliefs do not a truth make. Men are usually wrong and the Scriptures themselves say that on almost every page.
You have done worse than that Darwin. You are a very nasty person and have a hissy fit when someone doesn’t believe as you do.

What you seem to fail to realize that you are man too and your beliefs do not a truth make any more than someone else’s does. You say you don’t need anyone’s approval. Well guess what, others don’t need your approval or nastiness when they don’t get it.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#468607 Nov 27, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
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We haven’t talked in awhile so I’m just saying Hey to my twin.
HFN
Hello, HFN. It's good to see you posting. Your posts always lift me up and for that I thank you.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#468608 Nov 27, 2012
Drew H wrote:
The Bible states that there are many mysteries God has yet to fully reveal. And for the record, I'm not too fond of the word "trinity." I prefer the "triune nature of the Godhead" (God).
Can you, please and if you will, list these mysteries?

From what I've read. the mysteries are regarding the salvation through our anointed Savior, the path to perfection, or godliness, before the establishment of the actual kingdom, and salvation to the Gentiles. Other than these, what mysteries do you speak of?

And many Protestants are beginning to shun the term "trinity," but only because they no longer want to be affiliated, even a little bit, with the Catholic religion. Nevertheless, "trinitarianism" is only one of many doctrines that Protestantism regards sacred, that Catholicism has invented. Protestants wish to reject the term, but still adhere to the doctrine itself. History repeats itself. At one time, a "fag" was never a homosexual, nor was one that was "gay." But, time will take its toll. Lies will be invented, and those that fear will adhere. After a matter of time, the same lies will be revered as truth, and rejected. History repeats itself.

People, many times, mention the plurality of the term "God," when "us" is mentioned in verse. But, for some reason, we reject the mere notion that "us" means "two," even though "two" is still plural. Obviously, we take the mention of three in verse to exceed the definition, just as if I mentioned myself, my wife, and my child. When the term "one" is used, this is derived from the terms "HEIS" and "MIA." "HEIS" is always used figuratively, but "MIA," literally. But, when we read certain verses, like John 10:30 and 1John 5:7-8, the same that utilizes the term "HEIS," we tend to apply a literal application to the definition and meaning of the term. But, why?

Why? Because we're afraid of questioning what we've been indoctrinated to believe. We're afraid of punishment. We're afraid of displeasing "God." We're afraid, even though we're not given the spirit of fear, but of boldness. We're afraid, even though our anointed Savior has proven, many times, that the most High will overlook certain acts of rebellion when they're necessary, like picking corn on the sabbath. We're afraid, even though the most High would very much appreciate our taking whatever measures necessary to know Him and His only-begotten Son. Regardless, we fear.

Understand where I'm coming from, please and if you will. I'm not trying to lead you away from our Godhead, but closer to them. There are no mysteries regarding our Father, our anointed Savior, nor our Godhead. They want us to know them personally, from intricate detail to intricate detail. If you don't believe me, just listen to me for a little while. Surely, you don't believe that the wisest being of all time and creation, that wants nothing less than for us to know Him and His only-begotten Son, left Himself, and His Son, mysterious, do you?
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#468609 Nov 27, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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Hello, HFN. It's good to see you posting. Your posts always lift me up and for that I thank you.
Hey Drew,
Always good to see you. I’m glad but you may wish you hadn’t read them all.

Anyway, I’m glad you are posting with us.
HFN

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#468610 Nov 27, 2012
The term "God/god" a title.

John 1:1 makes this abundantly clear, as none can be WITH "God" and BE "God" at the same time.

What many either, don't notice, or ignore, is that John used the past-tense verb when he wrote that "the Word WAS God." This can only indicate a time frame if nothing else. At one time, the Word wasn't "God." Then, the Word WAS "God." So, what was John alluding to?

John was referring us to the creation account and the creation account only. It's most appropriate to render the first verse to say, "[Genesis] was the Word." Even verse 2 could be rendered, "The same was [Genesis] with God."

"Genesis" means "In the beginning." So, when John began his testimony, he began right from the beginning of creation, which we find in the book of Genesis. Not after, or before, but at the first point of creation.

When it's written that "the Word WAS God," this is identifying our anointed Savior as the person in whom all creation was created through. Father wished for creation, and our anointed Savior fulfilled His wish. And that's why Paul wrote, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF (*emphasis mine) whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ,*BY whom are all things, and we *BY him (1Cor 8:6)." All things are "of" Father, but "by" our anointed Savior.

I can't emphasize enough the importance of understanding that "God" is only a title. When it's written that there's only one "God," this isn't to emphasize that Father is the only "God," as it would seem. Rather, this is to emphasize that Father is the one and only source of all things. But, there exists other gods, which is what Exodus 20:3, Exodus 22:28, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34, John 20:28, 1Corinthians 8:5, and Acts 23:5 (among many others), proves. Even our anointed Savior is recorded as saying, "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God (John 20:17)."

Be not confused with the capitalization (or lack thereof) of the term "God." The term "God" appears many times in the bible. In the writings of the Hebrew "Old Testament", there exists three variations. And remembering that no upper or lower-cased letters exist, I'll type all three in all capitals. These three are "'ELOWAHH (singular)," "'ELOHIYM (plural)," and "YHWH ('God's' name)." And in the Greek "New Testament," the term is "THEOS."

My point for bringing this up is that we find these same exact terms used even when not referring to Father, or our anointed Savior. So, like I say, the only differentiating factor is in the surrounding context and content of what's written.

When we read 1Corinthians 8:5 and the first portion of verse 6, with their respective reference numbers, it says, "For though there be that are called ["gods" G2316], whether in heaven or in earth,(as there be ["gods" G2316] many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one ["God" G2316], the Father.."

Understand where I'm coming from?

Understand where I'm coming from. I'm not taking anything away from our anointed Savior. I'm trying to help you understand him more. Regardless, he's still "God," as Father says he is! He's still the only-begotten Son of "God," as Father says he is! He's still our anointed Savior, as Father says he is! He's still our King of kings and Lord of lords, as Father says he is!

He's just not "God of gods," as only Father is.

I'm not that intelligent to be that inventive. And my imagination wouldn't lead me to such conclusions, as I don't imagine bible verses and their meanings, or understandings. What I share with you is based on what I've studied for almost 30 years. I know that's not a long time, but considering that I started studying at 14, that's got to amount to something, being so young and all.

Just hear me out. Just consider what I offer you.

Until next time...

Since: Sep 12

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#468611 Nov 27, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Good evening G... like when the Wright Brothers built their little, flying machine. When they began the project... did they begin to exist when they began building the plane? No of course not... they existed long before they created it and were into other things.
In the same way, Genesis is our beginning but God existed from eternity long before He created our earth, region of space or whatever. So anyways, Genesis speaks of our beginning and creation point within all of eternity.
John 1:1 thru verse 2... and some parts of this chapter when put into context with the first two verses... alludes to The Son of God as having a pre-existence. Jesus even mentions it in a prayer to His Father:
Jesus: "And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had WITH YOU before the world began."
Now I meant that scripture to point out Jesus talking of His pre-existence but on another note... even a child can understand what "with you" means.
Excellent point..Thanks. Maybe I should come to this thread and talk about our Lord. God Bless

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#468612 Nov 27, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are really satisfied then it doesn’t matter. You work it out with God.
In the ephemeral sense, it doesn't. You still haven't answered my question. Why do you think you get to say who is a saved ?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#468613 Nov 27, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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The Bible states that there are many mysteries God has yet to fully reveal. And for the record, I'm not too fond of the word "trinity." I prefer the "triune nature of the Godhead" (God).
I prefer "manifestion of God". Everything comes from God and eventually returns to God. You, Me, Jesus, trees, fish .... and even DR.

"We are but cosmic Yo-Yo's thinking we are frisbies." - Me

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#468614 Nov 27, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
<quoted text>
You have done worse than that Darwin. You are a very nasty person and have a hissy fit when someone doesn’t believe as you do.....
Nope, I have a hissy fit when people make a concious decision to be deceitful or remain ignorant.

I have no problem with beliefs per se.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#468616 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D...

I understand you, completely. But, listen to me when I say that your skepticism has veered more toward doubt than certainty.

Skepticism is profitable only when we wish not to reinforce either/or. When the balance seems to shift in either direction, it's a must that we allow it to balance itself, or find the balance. If not, our skepticism becomes no longer skepticism, but an agenda. When skepticism becomes a tool to prove truth, or false, we get intertwined with contradiction. And none can evade contradiction, as the truest definition of contradiction derives from our own perceptions. Some view a volcano as chaotic, as the true skeptic views a volcano as a volcano; neither chaotic, nor harmonious. Regarding a volcano, a true skeptic will realize that a volcano is just that-- a volcano. But, even volcanoes serve a purpose to be perceived positively.

I understand you, and I know where you're coming from. There is no argument, nor agenda, for a true skeptic. Only further understandings. As time continues, truth will outweigh false, and not by what the majority accepts, or rejects. Skeptics know that, at times, the majority is right. And of course, the majority can be wrong, as well. Nevertheless, keep reading. At one time, all truth will reveal itself, and all at once. From then, on, doubt will have little attention from you.

I, too, am skeptical. I began studying the bible, religions, philosophies, and what-have-you, as an opponent. Then, my father taught me about skepticism. No longer do I study to reinforce either/or. I study to know truth.
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#468617 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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In the ephemeral sense, it doesn't. You still haven't answered my question. Why do you think you get to say who is a saved ?
Why do you think you get to say what is, who is stupid, who is wrong, what is so funny etc…? You do it all the time but cry if others say what they believe. Go figure.
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#468618 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Nope, I have a hissy fit when people make a concious decision to be deceitful or remain ignorant.
I have no problem with beliefs per se.
And you get to decide what deceit is, like anything you don’t agree with. And who is ignorant, like anyone who doesn’t think what you think?

As for the last statement plus all the rest of your post…hogwash.

I’m tired of fooling with your nonsense.

So good day to you.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#468619 Nov 27, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
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Why do you think you get to say what is, who is stupid, who is wrong, what is so funny etc…? You do it all the time but cry if others say what they believe. Go figure.
Now that you have stooped to deceit, the conversation is over.

Sad that.
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#468620 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Now that you have stooped to deceit, the conversation is over.
Sad that.
It never was really about having a conversation Darwin. It was about you saying that you were laughing your ahhhhh, well I’ll use the word rear end, off. It was about your nastiness with others.

So as far as your saying the conversation is over. I say the nonsense is over and it isn’t sad at all.

:)
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#468621 Nov 27, 2012
Goodnight to anyone who is still up.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

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#468622 Nov 27, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
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:) Good afternoon QI.
Yo! Smile.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

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#468623 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Not sure how you see it, but I can trace my lineage back to God, too. I was with God before I was born and before the begining...as was everythign in the cosmos. If one investigates "Logos" in the Greek philophical sense, it means exactly that.
Good early morning G... the way I see it is that only One could have ever boasted that... that is The Lord Jesus Christ at the time:

Jesus (talking about Himself): "No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man."

I love this one even though you and I disagree of which Son this scripture is talking about... it's talking about The Messiah:

"Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know!" Proverbs 30

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#468624 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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There is nothing that Jesus did or said that can not be claimed any person, including domething he never said... being a god.
"I said you are all gods." Pslam 81
Basically we are God's representatives on the earth and the context of psalms 82 is to point out, that as representatives that man ought to do good. Again, reps on the earth because Adam was created and formed on the earth... they were suppose to do God's will on earth from a physical standpoint as it was done in heaven from a spiritual standing... but they "chose" their own course.

Now when Jesus was being confronted by the Pharisees... they just wanted Him out by any means necessary so they would try to catch Him or trip Him up in His own Words. Jesus was on to them however... because He used the phrase "I and The Father are one"... they thought they had Him and picked up stones to stone Him... so Jesus hit them with that "ye are gods" script which put his attackers in freeze frame mode.

But Jesus is unique because He is the only "begotten" of the Father Who had left His Father and the glories of heaven to come through the body prepared for Him. He is from heaven, we are from the earth.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#468625 Nov 27, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Perhaps another thing I find 'erroneous'(IMHO) about Christianity is that it degrades mankind to less than an animal,

We are definitely not animals even though some declare that and we can sure act like it sometimes. God has made us a higher-ordered species. Plus, the animal kingdom and mankind were created on different days or eras... so based on that - for myself, I don't believe what Darwin had said. I don't believe that there ever was an evolution between beast and mankind.
G_O_D wrote:
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refusing to accept the divine that is alive (or dormant) within every living creature and esp.(if not more so) in man.
Adam & Eve were created with their human spirits, soul and body intact. When Adam sinned, their human spirits died the human family had inherited that same dead spiritual nature. If one is not born again, that is, born of the Spirit... then, from my understanding they are basically, spiritually dead. The only thing alive is their soul and body (their fleshly nature) and that will perish each in their own way unless one is saved. At least that is how I see it from a biblical standpoint.
G_O_D wrote:
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That man 'sins' is proof of his divinity AND proof that man has not the wisdom to control that divinity on his own. IMHO Jesus was teaching how to use that divine nature for good instead of self destruction (personal and communal).
I'm not sure where you are getting that "man's sins are proof of his divinity" from. If anything, it just proves reign over our freewill, unless of course, we are forced to do something against our freewill. I agree with your last sentence except the scriptures also teach about Salvation only through Him. Even Jesus speaks of that.

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