Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#467881 Nov 19, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I was looking in on your church's website and nice website, btw. Bishop Hunter was considered a Chief Apostle from what I saw. Well, I do believe that Apostles are not limited to the the twelve and Paul also. So anyways, that part is interesting. I didn't know the Bishop as you did, not at all actually... so perhaps he would have given up the 6 million dollars then, smile.
(c:

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#467882 Nov 19, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>As I believe, he appeared, indeed, as flesh and blood, like us.
I definitely agree that Mel was flesh & blood... The only way one can get actual flesh & blood is through human lineage... even God's Son had to be born of a woman in order to link in and identify completely with our humanity, as a flesh & blood individual.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text> But, I find it extremely difficult to reconcile what's written of him.
Again, "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life."
The author of the letter of Hebrews was simply trying to show his Jewish brothers how superior the Melchizedek priesthood was to the Levitical priesthood. To escape persecution, some Jews who had converted to believing in Jesus considered going back to the Law and adhere to it's precepts.. which includes all of the sacrifices, annual atonements and such. The persecution against Christians were pretty grievous. So anyways, the Melchizdekian priesthood wasn't limited to geneology of who can or cannot be a priest... and all the demanding qualifications like the levites were. The author is trying to show the Jews that, that foreshadowinig prophecy had come to pass through Jesus and that the Law would just put them in bondage again. Notice that Abraham gave tithes freely... under the law you had to give tithes or you were cursed with a curse. Outside the law, we freely give... we're not compelled to. I know that tithes is a small example, but if one was guilty of one point in the law they were guilty of the whole thing. So the whole point to them is, Jesus is our High Priest and knows exactly what we are going through and He is our one-time, one-size-fit-all atonement.


Now I'm typing really fast so please forgive my grammar and such.

So anyways, I believe Melchizedek, the one who met Abram was just a man who by providence was a King and Priest... and God used that example to foreshadow the real thing, which is Christ Jesus, the true High Priest for all.

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#467883 Nov 19, 2012
Drew H wrote:
While we, as mortal humans, would like to think that we can figure all things out, we must face the reality that there are certain things about God that are impossible to understand. He is from everlasting to everlasting, but all that we have ever experienced in life has or will at some point no longer be.
The triune nature of God is one of those things that we will never be able to grasp. It defies logic, but we must remember that God is supernatural and we are natural.
We invent doctrines and dogmas that we strip mine the Bible to try to validate, but more often than not we fail to consider the passages in there true context. We forget that God, throughout the ages, even though he is immutable, has instituted various methods of dealing with mortals, and we try to apply those from the past, which are no longer applicable, to the current age, or world, today.
So many miss the point that salvation, made available by God, has always been by faith. In this present age, we receive faith by grace from the Father, and He afforded it to us through His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, who lived a perfect life and offered Himself as the only suitable substitute to pay a debt than in no way could we ever repay.
Believe me when I say that man plays no part in the salvation equation. God not only initiates it, He sustains it and He follows it through to completion. This is not just evidenced in the New testament scriptures, but is clearly seen in the Old Testament as well.
And while I am truly very grateful that He chose me, I still am at a loss as to why. I know that I am an undeserving wretch not worthy of an ounce of mercy, but we must remember that it is God who decides to whom He grants mercy. Just look at the world today. We think that many who receive His mercy surely don't deserve it. And we also see those who we think deserve mercy but seem as though they never receive any. Once again, this defies human logic, but there again, God, who is supernatural, is the standard, and all of His choosing and dispensing is righteous. I don't understand it, but once I came to grips with it, a new door to my understanding of His Word was opened.
Lord knows, I don't know or understand it all, but I do know that we all need a shot of humility every now and again, and it is my contention that God will give that shot of humility to all genuine believers to keep us on an even keel. It is my prayer that God will never allow me to place myself above any other human, believer or not, because I know from whence I came. So remember that not all will answer His call, and it is not up to us to condemn any other person. He is the righteous judge of all things, and He sets the standards, which none of us, on our own will ever achieve. Moreover, praise His holy name because He did provide us a vehicle and a path back to Him and that vehicle and path, as it is written in His Word and revealed by the Holy Spirit, is the Lord and Savior, His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, not any particular thing or things that we have personally done. This, in and of itself, should provide us, each and all, with that needed daily dose of humility.
So during this Thanksgiving season, we should all take some time to reflect on what is now and what could have been had we not received His call.
I hope that everyone has a wonderful evening and a better tomorrow.
Brag on God!
Excellent commentary and worthy of a re-post

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#467884 Nov 19, 2012
GOoD night everyone -- I sortta over did it at the grocery store today to much walking and pushing heavy cart -- my back says rest --

If I could just leave with a little humor from FB --

A lady searching thru frozen turkeys asked the stock boy if they got any bigger and he said no mam they are all dead --

I know dry humor but hope it got a smile somewhere -- GOOD night TLC Judy

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#467885 Nov 19, 2012
Old School Granny wrote:
GOoD night everyone -- I sortta over did it at the grocery store today to much walking and pushing heavy cart -- my back says rest --
If I could just leave with a little humor from FB --
A lady searching thru frozen turkeys asked the stock boy if they got any bigger and he said no mam they are all dead --
I know dry humor but hope it got a smile somewhere -- GOOD night TLC Judy
Hey there Jute, I tried to warn you about doing too much too soon, but I've faith that you will be alright, get yourself some sleep and as for the dry humor you don't need it because I'm such that you bring a smile to everyone face's who know you here and in person.(C:

Blessings.

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#467886 Nov 19, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>As I believe, Hebrews 7:3 clearly differentiates this "king of righteousness" from the rest of us. Or, a past, present, and future position always held by our anointed Savior.
Right, the meaning of names tells a story of what is happening... in this case it is a foreshadowing of events. There are many people in the Old Testament, as you already know, that if we were to look up the etymology of their names could also foreshadow the Messiah. Like OT Joshua (Yeshua) for example ---> In some places it means God is Savior or God is Salvation. But that doesn't mean that Joshua in the OT was the actual, genuine Messiah that was to come. So in the same way, it does not mean that Mel was the pre-incarnate Jesus.

Oh see, you're gonna have me up all night now.. smile.

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#467887 Nov 19, 2012
Old School Granny wrote:
GOoD night everyone -- I sortta over did it at the grocery store today to much walking and pushing heavy cart -- my back says rest --
If I could just leave with a little humor from FB --
A lady searching thru frozen turkeys asked the stock boy if they got any bigger and he said no mam they are all dead --
I know dry humor but hope it got a smile somewhere -- GOOD night TLC Judy
lol... good one Judy. Have a blessed night.

:)

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#467888 Nov 19, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>.The "order" is a position, or rank. Note that this "order" of priesthood is not after our anointed Savior, but Melchizedek. It's written, to our anointed Savior, that "Thou art a priest for ever after the order," or rank, "of Melchizedek."
<quoted text>The key word, to me, is "made."
Here is what verse 15 says of that chapter:

"And what we have said is even more clear IF ANOTHER priest LIKE Melchizedek appears..."

The key words here as you can see are "if another" and "like"... in other words, through Jesus earthly ministry... Jesus is like Melchizedek... But that doesn't mean that Jesus was the actual priest who met with Abram.
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#467889 Nov 19, 2012
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#467890 Nov 19, 2012
Oh, and Jesus, being of the lineage of David was truly the King of the Jews. King Herod was a puppet of the roman gov't and a descendent of Esau (Edom).

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#467891 Nov 19, 2012
Bro Lee, I'm going to have to answer the rest of your post 2morrow hopefully or I will be up here all night. Thanks for the reply as it helps me to learn and research also. God Bless.

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#467892 Nov 19, 2012
Rev 1:4 (Part 2...typed earlier)

"...and from the seven spirits before His throne,"

And the beginning Rev 1:5 says, "and from Jesus Christ..."

So the salutation is passed on from God The Father, The Seven Spirits, and from Jesus Christ. Notice that the Seven Spirits "is" in agreement with The Father and Jesus Christ by sending greetings of Grace & Peace also... Who is that 7 Spirits in disguise? Let's say The Father, Son & Holy Spirit "agree", bear witness and are "united". But who do you think "is" The Seven Spirits? Some say they are Seven Angels that are before the throne of God and there are a myriad of other interpretations. Remember that there are many allegories penned in this letter. The Seven Spirits here is simply referring, in metaphor, to The Holy Spirit. Seven is a Divine & Sacred number in the bible which represents perfection in the sense of totality and completion.

Some use Isaiah 1:2 to show the seven quality, attributes and a complete picture of The Holy Spirit based on Isaiah's prophecy - "The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him, the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.

I believe that is what is meant here. And John wrote down "The Seven Spirits before the Throne"... throne normally speaks of Royal Presence - also in this case, The Presence of The Lord.... but we're not just talking about a limited presence but also an omnipresence of The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is also here with us. Being that is the case, we can also come boldly before the Throne of Grace as the scriptures said.

Remember that Jesus also had said The Counselor (Holy Spirit) proceeds "from" The Father... if that is the case then the symbology is obvious as that would put The Seven Spirits (The Holy Spirit) before the Throne.

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#467893 Nov 19, 2012
Edit: Isaiah 11:2

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#467894 Nov 19, 2012
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong."

Mohandas Gandhi (Mahatma Gandhi)

“Become Love!”

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#467895 Nov 19, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
Amen Bro... while I don't believe in the trinity as I was taught, per se... I do believe that The Holy Spirit is a 3rd person in the Godhead. Now I know that it is a mystery but let me ask you a question, if the Son, the Word, whatever one may call Him existed before the earth was... how did God The Father obtain His Son before earth was created if both are male principles?
As I stated, I believe the Holy Spirit is as natural a part of the most High as sight is a perfectly functioning eye.

I believe Father simply willed His only-begotten Son into existence. As Geppetto set his hands in motion to create Pinocchio, Father's desire to have a Son of His own set the Holy Spirit in motion.

In simplest terms, as Father is Himself, the Holy Spirit would (should?) be described as Father's "action." This supernatural "action" was, then, imparted unto His Son.

I believe that many people believe the Holy Spirit is an actual person because the Holy Spirit, many times, is personified in scripture. To note, so aren't many other things, such as hell, wisdom, death, blood, water, and sin. In the mind of the ancient Israelite, though, the personification of the Holy Spirit served to accomplish nothing more than to give glory to the source of all things.

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#467896 Nov 19, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Steve.....
GO BUCKS
:-)
Heh...its getting to be that time again!I think Michigan has a shot this year! I havent had bragging rights since I came on Topix. This is the year..i can feel it! LOL

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#467897 Nov 19, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
I definitely agree that Mel was flesh & blood... The only way one can get actual flesh & blood is through human lineage... even God's Son had to be born of a woman in order to link in and identify completely with our humanity, as a flesh & blood individual.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text> But, I find it extremely difficult to reconcile what's written of him.
Again, "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life."
The author of the letter of Hebrews was simply trying to show his Jewish brothers how superior the Melchizedek priesthood was to the Levitical priesthood. To escape persecution, some Jews who had converted to believing in Jesus considered going back to the Law and adhere to it's precepts.. which includes all of the sacrifices, annual atonements and such. The persecution against Christians were pretty grievous. So anyways, the Melchizdekian priesthood wasn't limited to geneology of who can or cannot be a priest... and all the demanding qualifications like the levites were. The author is trying to show the Jews that, that foreshadowinig prophecy had come to pass through Jesus and that the Law would just put them in bondage again. Notice that Abraham gave tithes freely... under the law you had to give tithes or you were cursed with a curse. Outside the law, we freely give... we're not compelled to. I know that tithes is a small example, but if one was guilty of one point in the law they were guilty of the whole thing. So the whole point to them is, Jesus is our High Priest and knows exactly what we are going through and He is our one-time, one-size-fit-all atonement.

Now I'm typing really fast so please forgive my grammar and such.

So anyways, I believe Melchizedek, the one who met Abram was just a man who by providence was a King and Priest... and God used that example to foreshadow the real thing, which is Christ Jesus, the true High Priest for all.
Kudos, Qu-innocence! You've definitely given me reason to question my belief regarding Melchizedek.

Upon further investigation, based primarily on your post (above), I noticed that verse 6 says, "But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises." Just the fact that in this verse, it uses the term "descent," we've no reason to believe that the use of the phrase "without descent" in verse 3 means that Melchizedek didn't descend from Adam. It's more than possible the author was speaking expressly about Melchizedek's office, which Melchizedek didn't inherit (so to speak). The author was, obviously, expressing the greater authority of Melchizedek compared to that of the Levites, which descended from the same cherished forefather that paid tithes to Melchizedek. And then, through Abraham, "payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchizedek met him."

This is definitely food for thought. I'll get back to you on this soon. I've got a lot of studying to do.

Thank you so much for your time, consideration, and patience.

Until next time...may the shalowm of our 'Elohiym remain with you and yours.

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#467898 Nov 19, 2012
Qu-innocence wrote:
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Hebrews 7:3
...but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

This reference, then, is the author's explanation as to how our anointed Savior's priesthood is similar to Melchizedek's, as being "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life...abideth a priest continually."

Our anointed Savior's only relation to Levi was through Mary's mother. Regardless, Joseph, Mary, and Mary's father, were all descended from Judah. Which brings us to verse 14.

"For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood."

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#467899 Nov 19, 2012
Old School Granny wrote:
Steve -- I read each of your posts to me and once again I respect your views your opinions and your feelings.
I realize my last break from here was a lengthy one -- I missed a lot.
My friendship with Whispers is on a different level and I know you will respect my feelings as well.
So with this said - I appreciate all you took time to write and explain and can understand why you and John feel the way you do according to all you wrote.
I will keep all this lifted in as humans can't always see --
Just know I love you guys sincerely - nothing can change that -- TLC - Judy
I care about you and Epi a great deal.I am glad our friendship does not require the same perspectives or even the same friends. I respect you guys follow your hearts. If I could do the same and see this the same way I would in a heartbeat because of what you two mean to me.In any event know the same is true for me and the value I put on our friendship will never change.Love always, Steve

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#467900 Nov 19, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
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I think you've convinced me, Qu_innocence.

Sometimes, it seems to be a curse, but my mind is capable of a myriad of thoughts at one time, and to process all these thoughts in almost lightning speed. While I've been typing to you, I was also scrolling through my mental files of the bible. At one point during this time, I asked myself, "If our anointed Savior was Melchizedek, then why is there no mention of Melchizedek before his meeting with Abraham?" Then, my mind began to focus on all the recorded events prior. "If our anointed Savior appeared as flesh and blood to meet Abraham, then why didn't he do the same when the Israelites were trekking through the wilderness? or entering Canaan? or...?" The questions wouldn't stop until I began this post.

Again, kudos. Praise our 'Elohiym after you read this, as you most likely will anyway.

Until next time...may the shalowm of our 'Elohiym remain with you and yours.

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