Why Should Jesus Love Me?

BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA

Since: Sep 10

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#467734 Nov 18, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>It's extremely odd, to me, that in the almost 30 years of studying the bible, in our numerous English and Greek versions, that I've never noticed what you've stated (above).
When I study, I try to confine my methods to strict rules and regulations. One of my rules is to never study just to reinforce a personal, or even shared, belief and conviction. In my humble opinion, it's the most skeptical seeker of Truth that, sooner or later, finds absolute Truth.
I'd be most willing to examine your evidence.
g_o_d posted remark about Paul,doesn't have any further evidences,
because all letters of Paul inspired by God are saturated just soaked
about our Lord Jesus Christ.

I suspect that g_o_d doesn't read Bible alone,only search web pages,read them and posting them without of any biblical spiritual knowledge

have nice evening BLL
good night

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#467735 Nov 18, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a shame you are so absive toward someone you never meet and truely do not know.But if it make you happy and you get satification from it go right ahead.Just remember God's eyes are on you too.
it is a shame that even under anonymity you continue to be dishonest on a regular basis. People who are dishonest in one area tend to be so in others. You plagiarize, you make up stories, you alter scripture, and you fake who you are from your speech to your experiences. I hope whatever satisfaction you derive from your game-playing doesn't come with a price for those that continue to take you at your word.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#467736 Nov 18, 2012
Old School Granny wrote:
<quoted text>
Earlier this year when Michelle Obama convinced the President to change his status on gay marriage - I knew right then and there he would be relected along with his stance on abortion.
Tribulation can not be ushered in without moral decay - generations of children are growing up with no knowledge of Jesus or knowing the plan of salvation or even the need to have it.
You don't even have to be a math teacher to add up that this countrys is way beyond getting out of debt in anyones future -- and it's not a bank that owns the debt it is another country --
When the trumpet sounds and God removes His Church Bride -- very few will be left to preach it and tell it like it is -- Thank God He has a plan even then for salvation.
While American women abort their babies the ones they say are coming - are not coming they are already here, and they are not aborting, but multiplying rapidly enough don't be surprised to see them elect there own president with a very short period of time --
Yes I say the puppets are in play -- and for those with their heads buried in the sand thinking nothing really bad can happen here within our country, are asleep at the wheel -- yes it can, yes it will and when we got a President that stands behind gay marriage and abortion just to name two -- a downward spiral is going to escalate -- but again it has too --- to usher in the most horrific time in history The Great Tribulation.
The King is coming and it won't be long -- I love it Doc when you get me going LOL --
TLC - Granns
Barack Obama KNEW that most Americans were OPPOSED to an islamic learning center being built so close to Ground Zero,but he didn't voice any opposition to it. And you know why?? Because Obama didn't want to risk losing all of those middle eastern votes in the election. And,who knows,he may have had 'personal reasons' for not openly opposing it. He said 'I'm not going to question the 'wisdom' of doing it,but people should be able to build on 'personal property' if they want to.' Let me tell you something;there's much much more to the mindset of Barack Obama than the average Joe Blow will ever know. I wouldn't doubt that Obama has spent many a nights thinking about things like slavery,world poverty,and his perceived causes of it,financial greed,legitimate land ownership,and plantations and reservations and many other things,and he's made up his mind that he's going to CHANGE things no matter what it takes,even if it means deceiving the masses. I don't know who the REAL anti-christ will be,but his 'spirit' is becoming more and more REAL as world events continue to unfold. Have a wonderful evening and week,Grann!!! Nite!!!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#467737 Nov 18, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
You have short memory Yours is too.No not going to play no more games with this type of activity.You do not realize it but I do but you are a very sick man going thru one of your biggest trails with that heart condition of yours.You may tell others about the condition but I know different.You see RA I have inspite of what all think of me a medical background of over twenty five years of service.So with that said,I will not argue with you at all matter of fact you do all the name callin you want.No more post from me to you period.I will say in closing you been in my prayers and God bless you.Inspite of what you think of me.
You have a medical background of over 25 years?

Yeah right

And anyone reading this post can see it is meant to be the exact opposite of what you claim.

You wanna pretend to be the candy lady or some panhandler stalker or maybe even claim in the middle of a town-hall meeting that local cops tried to assassinate you, it is all the same to me. A liar is a liar no matter what name they go by.

But why don't you leave someone's heart condition out of your insincere lies? And your delusional nonsense here:

"You may tell others about the condition but I know different."

Just shows how crazy you really are. Whatever fantasies you are playing out over the internet, I guarantee you don't know more about John;s medical condition than he does. You need to stay on your medication, that is probably about as close to the medical field as you have gotten for the last 25 years

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#467738 Nov 18, 2012
hick-up wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, wasn't me with the trees. Been chillin at the home20 for a month.
Thought I'd go fishing tomorrow but the weather man says rough surf, 7-8 ft swells, and choppy on the intercoastal. Drat!
Flounder are moving thru the inlet, blues are running in the surf, snook are everywhere and in season but slotted between 28" to 32" for keepers, and trout are roaming the flats when it's warm and in the channels until it warms up. I might ride over and see anyway. I can always throw a bucktail for snook.
Any day fishing is better than a day at work, and with all that action going on, you never know what you might reel in. Hope it's good trip for you.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#467739 Nov 18, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
it is a shame that even under anonymity you continue to be dishonest on a regular basis. People who are dishonest in one area tend to be so in others. You plagiarize, you make up stories, you alter scripture, and you fake who you are from your speech to your experiences. I hope whatever satisfaction you derive from your game-playing doesn't come with a price for those that continue to take you at your word.
Why do you all bother Lil'Whispers?? She always seems to be so nice and polite. You all should be ashamed of yourselves,Skom. I'm just sayin'...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#467740 Nov 18, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>It's extremely odd, to me, that in the almost 30 years of studying the bible, in our numerous English and Greek versions, that I've never noticed what you've stated (above).
When I study, I try to confine my methods to strict rules and regulations. One of my rules is to never study just to reinforce a personal, or even shared, belief and conviction. In my humble opinion, it's the most skeptical seeker of Truth that, sooner or later, finds absolute Truth.
I'd be most willing to examine your evidence.
Paul admits to being a fraud to spread his Gospel:

"To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings."

Note in the parenthesis he admits he is not a Jew. Yet here he claims to be a Jew by claiming to be from a tribe that disapeared 500 years before. This demonstrates not only his deciet but his lack of knowledge of the Hebrew Bible and Judaism.

"For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham,[of] the tribe of Benjamin."

Not all of the seed of Abraham are Israelites and not all Israelites are Jews. The tribe of Benjamin (and nine other tribes) disappeared with the captivity in Babylon (600BC thru 520BC)

Paul claims that his preaching is above that of message sent from God himself:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!"

Paul promotes being a 'liar for God':

"Let God be true, and every man a liar."
and
“If my lies enhance God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why should I be condemned as a sinner?”

Those are couple reasons I do not find Paul to much more than a false prophet. He is an admitted liar, fraud and blasphemer.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#467741 Nov 18, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I'm doing good brother. One day I hope we can meet up. It was a pretty nice day out... gets dark too soon for me this time of year though
I am certain that can be arranged. We'll have to do that in the near future.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#467742 Nov 18, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
Where to begin....?
That's the question that probably explains the lack of posting unfortunately

Good to see you you Lee. You are one of the posters that consistently bring some integrity and depth to the table. I haven't been around steady, for a a little while anyway, it would be nice if you are back for a minute. I see Judy posting as well. Nice to see you both with the holidays approaching

(T) Peace

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#467743 Nov 18, 2012
Old School Granny wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely Drew -- Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family - look forward to hearing more from you when you can -- TLC - Judy
Same here, Judy.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#467744 Nov 18, 2012
Old School Granny wrote:
<quoted text>
Earlier this year when Michelle Obama convinced the President to change his status on gay marriage - I knew right then and there he would be relected along with his stance on abortion.
Tribulation can not be ushered in without moral decay - generations of children are growing up with no knowledge of Jesus or knowing the plan of salvation or even the need to have it.
You don't even have to be a math teacher to add up that this countrys is way beyond getting out of debt in anyones future -- and it's not a bank that owns the debt it is another country --
When the trumpet sounds and God removes His Church Bride -- very few will be left to preach it and tell it like it is -- Thank God He has a plan even then for salvation.
While American women abort their babies the ones they say are coming - are not coming they are already here, and they are not aborting, but multiplying rapidly enough don't be surprised to see them elect there own president with a very short period of time --
Yes I say the puppets are in play -- and for those with their heads buried in the sand thinking nothing really bad can happen here within our country, are asleep at the wheel -- yes it can, yes it will and when we got a President that stands behind gay marriage and abortion just to name two -- a downward spiral is going to escalate -- but again it has too --- to usher in the most horrific time in history The Great Tribulation.
The King is coming and it won't be long -- I love it Doc when you get me going LOL --
TLC - Granns
Hey there Judy, I'm glad to see you making a mild comeback of posting on the golden thread a little more, I must admit to being a little mildly surprised to see you weigh in on some of these issues when most of tbe threads regulars seem to be shying away from it, but I have a question for you my friend as to what exactly are your personal limits on the use of abortion?
Like for example I feel abortion should be used only when a woman has a pregnancy that is a direct danger to either the mother's health or her very life and even then I feel that every viable and possible solution should be explored before tbe decision to abort should be made, Mitt Romney on the other hand who decided to become a moderate much too late in an attempt to get elected for POTUS said that it should be used also for incidents of rape and incest as well.

I submit also that it was very disappointing to me and members of the church for Prez Obama to stand behind same sex marriage of which the Word is not shy about condemning out right, you mention that he also stands behind abortion as well but I would like to point out that republicans ruled the white house for 20 out of the last 32 years and they have done nothing to try and overturn Roe vs Wade themselves and probably because it is upheld by the united states supreme court who initiated the law in 1973, yes this nation is on a gradual steady moral decline but it actually began it's roll back in 1973 and has grown worst on down the years since, would just like to know your deeper thoughts here.
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hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#467745 Nov 18, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Is that the Pittsburgh Steelers playing the Baltimore Ravens,or did a bunch of bengal tigers escape from the zoo??
Dork ....

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#467746 Nov 18, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Barack Obama KNEW that most Americans were OPPOSED to an islamic learning center being built so close to Ground Zero,but he didn't voice any opposition to it. And you know why?? Because Obama didn't want to risk losing all of those middle eastern votes in the election. And,who knows,he may have had 'personal reasons' for not openly opposing it. He said 'I'm not going to question the 'wisdom' of doing it,but people should be able to build on 'personal property' if they want to.' Let me tell you something;there's much much more to the mindset of Barack Obama than the average Joe Blow will ever know. I wouldn't doubt that Obama has spent many a nights thinking about things like slavery,world poverty,and his perceived causes of it,financial greed,legitimate land iownership,and plantations and reservations and many other things,and he's made up his mind that he's going to CHANGE things no matter what it takes,even if it means deceiving the masses. I don't know who the REAL anti-christ will be,but his 'spirit' is becoming more and more REAL as world events continue to unfold. Have a wonderful evening and week,Grann!!! Nite!!!
"Didn't want to risk losing all of those middle east votes"?????.....DOC...... ....people who live in the middle east or anywhere else in the world outside of this country do not get to vote in a united states presidential election process, thats crazy because are not US citizens, you see how crazy and unbalanced you have driven yourself with all of this paranoia delusional self indulgence.

JESUS..........

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#467747 Nov 18, 2012
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
Any day fishing is better than a day at work, and with all that action going on, you never know what you might reel in. Hope it's good trip for you.
Hi Drew,
I didn't go. NOAA convinced me otherwise.
Check it out ...
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/Florida.shtml

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#467748 Nov 18, 2012
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> "Didn't want to risk losing all of those middle east votes"?????.....DOC...... ....people who live in the middle east or anywhere else in the world outside of this country do not get to vote in a united states presidential election process, thats crazy because are not US citizens, you see how crazy and unbalanced you have driven yourself with all of this paranoia delusional self indulgence.
JESUS..........
Seems there are a few things we can all agree on. <smile>

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#467749 Nov 18, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>

Paul promotes being a 'liar for God':
"Let God be true, and every man a liar."
and
“If my lies enhance God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why should I be condemned as a sinner?”
Those are couple reasons I do not find Paul to much more than a false prophet. He is an admitted liar, fraud and blasphemer.
Look in context though my friend. You quoted Romans 3:7 but look at the verses right before it:

Romans 3

5But," some might say, "our sinfulness serves a good purpose, for it helps people see how righteous God is. Isn't it unfair, then, for him to punish us?" (This is merely a human point of view.)

6Of course not! If God were not entirely fair, how would he be qualified to judge the world?

It is talking about people who claim it is ok to lie if their lies serve a good purpose. And if their lies serve a good purpose then wouldn't it be unfair for God to punish them? And Paul answers emphatically..OF COURSE NOT! How could God ever be considered wrong in His judgement if he is qualified to judge the world. And clearly then God has found it wrong for those to lie, even if they believe that lie does some good. Then it goes on to say...

7"But," someone might still argue, "how can God condemn me as a sinner if my dishonesty highlights his truthfulness and brings him more glory?"

It is the same rationalization as before which Paul has just said it is not unfair for God to punish those who lie in His name. The next verse says some people attribute this belief to them anyway:

8And some people even slander us by claiming that we say, "The more we sin, the better it is!" Those who say such things deserve to be condemned.

..but Paul says that is not what they believe. Not only it is not unfair for God to punish a man for lying for any reason, he goes on to explain Jews are not better than Gentiles because all men fall sway to sin. And that no man is righteous

9Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles,[fn] are under the power of sin.

10As the Scriptures say, "No one is righteous— not even one.

11No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.

The message I take from this is the following:

All men sin. And those under the power of sin are not seeking God. Their lies are not justified no matter why they tell them. And being a Jew doesn't make one naturally better than a Gentile. No man is righteous without Christ. He is under sin. This is why all men, whether it be Jew or Gentile, needs Christ

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#467750 Nov 18, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul admits to being a fraud to spread his Gospel:
"To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings."
Note in the parenthesis he admits he is not a Jew. Yet here he claims to be a Jew by claiming to be from a tribe that disapeared 500 years before. This demonstrates not only his deciet but his lack of knowledge of the Hebrew Bible and Judaism.
"For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham,[of] the tribe of Benjamin."
Not all of the seed of Abraham are Israelites and not all Israelites are Jews. The tribe of Benjamin (and nine other tribes) disappeared with the captivity in Babylon (600BC thru 520BC)
Paul claims that his preaching is above that of message sent from God himself:
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!"
Paul promotes being a 'liar for God':
"Let God be true, and every man a liar."
and
“If my lies enhance God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why should I be condemned as a sinner?”
Those are couple reasons I do not find Paul to much more than a false prophet. He is an admitted liar, fraud and blasphemer.
I am glad you posted this though as when I saw that part about lying in God's name I just had to look it up because that would have been pretty darn hard to explain. So that is just one of the reasons I always like biblical debates as they often force people to look up verses and study and learn more.

As for the first part I think Paul is simply saying he approached people in a way that would best make him someone they could relate to. Not that he deceived them but rather that he approached them on familiar ground. It is an effective way to witness IMO and reminded me of this:

Acts 2

"6When they heard the loud noise, everyone came running, and they were bewildered to hear their own languages being spoken by the believers.

7They were completely amazed. "How can this be?" they exclaimed. "These people are all from Galilee,

8and yet we hear them speaking in our own native languages!"

...everybody could understand despite them coming from places where they speak different languages. Everyone can relate to God's Word as it is universal. In this case it was literal. In Paul's case he simply witnessed in the most effective way to reach someone.

JMO

(T) Peace

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#467751 Nov 18, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems there are a few things we can all agree on. <smile>
Lol, I just thought tbat statement was so outrageously over the top that I just had to respond to it, however when he says things like that I seriously do wonder about the state of his rationality.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#467752 Nov 18, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I am glad you posted this though as when I saw that part about lying in God's name I just had to look it up because that would have been pretty darn hard to explain. So that is just one of the reasons I always like biblical debates as they often force people to look up verses and study and learn more.
As for the first part I think Paul is simply saying he approached people in a way that would best make him someone they could relate to. Not that he deceived them but rather that he approached them on familiar ground. It is an effective way to witness IMO and reminded me of this:
Acts 2
"6When they heard the loud noise, everyone came running, and they were bewildered to hear their own languages being spoken by the believers.
7They were completely amazed. "How can this be?" they exclaimed. "These people are all from Galilee,
8and yet we hear them speaking in our own native languages!"
...everybody could understand despite them coming from places where they speak different languages. Everyone can relate to God's Word as it is universal. In this case it was literal. In Paul's case he simply witnessed in the most effective way to reach someone.
JMO
(T) Peace
If it were an isolated inceident I would tend to agree with you.However, taken as a collective work of the same man, his own words condemn him as nothing morehtan a con-man in my opinion...even if he thought he was doing "God's work". Camping thought he was doing God's work, too.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." - anonymous

Saint Bernard of Clairvaux wrote, "L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontes et desirs" (hell is full of good wishes and desires)

“Old School Granny ”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#467753 Nov 18, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Judy!
Great to see ya posting. Hope that means you are continuing to feel better
Well another Thanksgiving just around the corner. Like always, a lot to be thankful for.
To the continued health and happiness of you and yours and the same to those who continue to share the holidays in out little cyber-family.
(T) Peace
Very well said Steve -- and I wish the very same for you and your family as well.

Yep me and my personality are definetely back LOL -- or is that teehee

Happy Thanksgiving and hope you get it off with pay -- TLC - Judy

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