Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#456547 Sep 7, 2012
Christian Man wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible...don't you ever read it?
You claim to comply 100% with it.
what a name is your church

Bible readers are free christians,not teachers
ONLY ONE EXIST TEACHER JESUS CHRIST,
He didn't give you any authority to gather together His flock and QUESTION THEM,OR LIE TO THEM?,
to long holding breath .can be exchanged in loud fats,horibly stinking?"teacher"he he heeeee
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#456548 Sep 7, 2012
Christian Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Which ones?
And how are they out of context?
(still not holding my breath)
you are mut,without of breath,
to long holding breath,can blow you up,and will be left only bunch of stinks around,

my last post to you,is about you fake teacher, and your stinking cyber mut breath

show me,biblical verse,which state .that you have Biblical spiritual authority????
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#456549 Sep 7, 2012
Christian Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Which ones?
And how are they out of context?
(still not holding my breath)
you are really invisible dumb butt,and mut

I told you earlier,
all passages posted by you,are twisted and out of context,

look at my expalnation to you post# 456374
because you behave like mut,and under drugs,or alcohol,mr satupid skom.....

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456550 Sep 7, 2012
Christian Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, as far as the first part of your post goes, we both know how each other feels about Paul, Jesus, and the rest of the Bible. So, we can just leave it at that.
In the OT, God would sometimes speak directly to people, just like I could talk directly to you through the phone or over a cuppa joe. After Jesus returned to Heaven and the Holy Spirit came down, God no longer has spoken directly to anyone.
I guess the difference I was trying to make is that you were talking about a person possibly getting God's instructions wrong through prayer. I think people do feel that they are doing God's will sometimes even when they really aren't, because they misinterpreted whatever it was they received. Moses got his instructions directly from God, so there was no miscommunication. His trouble was his anger!(and that can be most every human's trouble at one time or another)
You have a good evening, and a great weekend,
CM
Yes, Mose is said to have recieved communication directly from God, and I question that as well.
However, many people (many on this thread, too)say they have direct communication with God.
In the Acts, Jesus is said to have talked directly to Paul (among others) and many people believe Jesus is God so that would imply that anyone, anywhere can have a face to face conversation with God.
Myself, I think even Moses talking to God is mythology.
If God could talk to us directly, then anything anyone does could have been prevented by God. That God remains silent is like letting a blind man walk in front of bus without telling "Watch out!".
Thus IMHO the reality that God does not speak directly (to most of us at least) supports a few alternative theories; God is an evil bastard or God never talked directly to anyone ever or God can't do it thus God is not all powerful. Many more there is little evidence to negate those terrible possibilities.
BTW, I believe that God is constrained by the laws of the Universe that God created.
My head hurts. <smile> God must be trying to talk to me. LOL

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#456551 Sep 7, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing in the Bible written by John. The only books whom the authors are know are seven of Paul's epistles. The actual titles of the books in the oldest manuscripts are "The Gospel ACCORDING TO _____". It was common practice to give books a title that would give them authority using someone's name. Still claiming that they were written by those individuals is an even large fraud than claiming they contain anything actualaly said by them. Is thought that these Gospels were written by the followers of the Apostles/Church Leaders decades after the Apostles/Leaders were long dead.
Thus, Mark was lokely written by a group who believed Mark was the founder of their group, Matthew by another group, John, Mary, Judas, Barbabas, John etc...
The Epistles attributed to Peter and James are likewise NOT written by them.
There is a minority of Christian sects that refuse to be educated on the realities of the Bible and its history. People are free to live in ignorance. Fortunately, the mah=jority of Church leaders ARE well aware of it and freely admit the truth.
And who and what are your sources.

Modern scholars are not as accurate as the early scholars who testify that John penned his Gospel, three epistles, and the Revelation. The early scholars also testify to all the authors (Peter, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, James and Jude) of all the books of the NT except Hebrews, and no one knows who penned it.

The further you get from actual events in time the less reliable the information becomes. I stick with the "dead" guys or the early scholars. They were closer to the actual events, therefore there was less mud to cloud the waters.

One must remember, the key to the past is not found in the here and now, but the key to the present is found in the past.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#456552 Sep 7, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Mose is said to have recieved communication directly from God, and I question that as well.
However, many people (many on this thread, too)say they have direct communication with God.
In the Acts, Jesus is said to have talked directly to Paul (among others) and many people believe Jesus is God so that would imply that anyone, anywhere can have a face to face conversation with God.
Myself, I think even Moses talking to God is mythology.
If God could talk to us directly, then anything anyone does could have been prevented by God. That God remains silent is like letting a blind man walk in front of bus without telling "Watch out!".
Thus IMHO the reality that God does not speak directly (to most of us at least) supports a few alternative theories; God is an evil bastard or God never talked directly to anyone ever or God can't do it thus God is not all powerful. Many more there is little evidence to negate those terrible possibilities.
BTW, I believe that God is constrained by the laws of the Universe that God created.
My head hurts. <smile> God must be trying to talk to me. LOL
right
God speaks only through His Creation to human,and Through Bible,to His only chosen future eternal Kings

those who claim,that God directly spoke to them or speak,mostly devil speak to them by church media devil priests,and their comunions,
all visions,spoken church toungues, or revelation are devil inspired direct activity,

GOD SPEAKS LOUD THROUGH HIS CREATION, EVEN BIBLE SAY,THAT HE RIDE ON THE WINDS,HILLS, VEALYS,SUN, MOON, BLUE SKY, DARN NIGHT SKY,UNIVERSE, ETC.....

JESUS NEVER CLAIM TO BE GOD
JESUS NEVER DIE ON THE CROSS
TRINITY DOESN'T EXIST IN BIBLE,
HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOD.
EARTHLY CHURCHES ARE POSESSED BY DEVIL SPIRIT 2 COR 11;13-15.2 THESS 2;3-12
IN BIBLE DOES'NT EXIST-BIRTHDAYS, CHRISTAMS, EASTERN BUNNY,POLITICAL HOLIDAYS, BLOOD TRANSFUSSIONS, OR ASSOCIATION WITH WICKED ONES,AND PRAYERS FOR THEM,

ALL WORLD CHRISTIANS ARE DECEIVED,LIARS,ANS SERVANTS OF DEVIL SPIRIT
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#456553 Sep 7, 2012
Christian Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Which ones?
And how are they out of context?
(still not holding my breath)
TELL ME
which church do you belong?

And I will tell you whole biblical truth about you and your church?

and if Bible gave you spiritual authority to be questioner and teacher?OR NOT?

because your quoted biblical passages are out of context,and only fit your own agenda
maybe I am wrong?
also I want to know,what is your church?name, denomination name/or mega church orientation?
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#456554 Sep 7, 2012
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
And who and what are your sources.
Modern scholars are not as accurate as the early scholars who testify that John penned his Gospel, three epistles, and the Revelation. The early scholars also testify to all the authors (Peter, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, James and Jude) of all the books of the NT except Hebrews, and no one knows who penned it.
The further you get from actual events in time the less reliable the information becomes. I stick with the "dead" guys or the early scholars. They were closer to the actual events, therefore there was less mud to cloud the waters.
One must remember, the key to the past is not found in the here and now, but the key to the present is found in the past.
agree with your post
Drew,only you are one person,who knows spiritual biblical values,like elected child of God,

who are you DREW?
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#456555 Sep 7, 2012
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
such piece of s.... like you respond to someone who never ask him to respond anyway
what are you doing here at friday,your f.....pitfull hipocrite having nothing to do with your life,and harassing only invisible mutes on the internet,
my my my my
what a idiot this guy from Philipine is??
SilENCE!!!!!!!!

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#456556 Sep 7, 2012
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
right
God speaks only through His Creation to human,and Through Bible,to His only chosen future eternal Kings
those who claim,that God directly spoke to them or speak,mostly devil speak to them by church media devil priests,and their comunions,
all visions,spoken church toungues, or revelation are devil inspired direct activity,
GOD SPEAKS LOUD THROUGH HIS CREATION, EVEN BIBLE SAY,THAT HE RIDE ON THE WINDS,HILLS, VEALYS,SUN, MOON, BLUE SKY, DARN NIGHT SKY,UNIVERSE, ETC.....
JESUS NEVER CLAIM TO BE GOD
JESUS NEVER DIE ON THE CROSS
TRINITY DOESN'T EXIST IN BIBLE,
HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOD.
EARTHLY CHURCHES ARE POSESSED BY DEVIL SPIRIT 2 COR 11;13-15.2 THESS 2;3-12
IN BIBLE DOES'NT EXIST-BIRTHDAYS, CHRISTAMS, EASTERN BUNNY,POLITICAL HOLIDAYS, BLOOD TRANSFUSSIONS, OR ASSOCIATION WITH WICKED ONES,AND PRAYERS FOR THEM,
ALL WORLD CHRISTIANS ARE DECEIVED,LIARS,ANS SERVANTS OF DEVIL SPIRIT
No wonder shrink/pipek is so lost and so screwed up. He's preaching a doctrine that's a mix of the "Harold Camping doctrine" (who teaches Jesus never died on the cross), the "Jehovah's Witness doctrine" (who teach no blood transfusion), and the 3rd doctrine (which is the craziest one of all) known as the "shrink/pipek delusional doctrine". That one teaches that he can be as vile as he wants, and that he can disregard what the Bible says because he's not bound by scripture that he has no use for and that he violates on a daily basis.

The poor guy has more mental problems than the moon has craters.

“Ignorance is bliss”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#456557 Sep 7, 2012
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
such piece of s.... like you respond to someone who never ask him to respond anyway
what are you doing here at friday,your f.....pitfull hipocrite having nothing to do with your life,and harassing only invisible mutes on the internet,
my my my my
what a idiot this guy from Philipine is??
Matthew 23

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in

Nite all!
DENG

Fremont, CA

#456558 Sep 7, 2012
IT'S CERTAIN JESUS HAD FUN LEARNING FROM THE HINDUS AND THE BUDDHISTS WHILE HE WAS IN INDIA.
DENG

Fremont, CA

#456559 Sep 7, 2012
The Best of the Sons of Men

Ancient scrolls reveal that Jesus spent seventeen years in India and Tibet

From age thirteen to age twenty-nine, he was both a student and teacher of Buddhist and Hindu holy men
The story of his journey from Jerusalem to Benares was recorded by Brahman historians

YEP, INDIA HISTORY PREDATES THE BIBLE

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456560 Sep 7, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Darwin,
I suppose many people see the 23 psalms as about death. I see it as about life (here) with God.
HFN
Perhaps it is about the "living death".
It is after all a Hebrew poem and that would be a Hebrew understanding of it.

In light of "Let the dead the bury their own", it make sense to read it that way.

Thanks for triggering the thought.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456561 Sep 7, 2012
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
...The early scholars also testify to all the authors (Peter, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, James and Jude)....
Please provide credible sources.

"The gospels (and Acts) are anonymous, in that none of them name an author. Whilst the Gospel of John might be considered somewhat of an exception, because the author refers to himself as "the disciple Jesus loved" and claims to be a member of Jesus's inner circle,[68] most scholars today consider this passage to be an interpolation.
There is general agreement among scholars that the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) show a high level of cross-reference. The usual explanation, the Two-source hypothesis, is that Mark was written first and that the authors of Matthew and Luke relied on Mark and the hypothetical Q document. Scholars agree that the Gospel of John was written last, using a different tradition and body of testimony. In addition, most scholars agree that the author of Luke also wrote the Acts of the Apostles, making Luke-Acts two halves of a single work.

Mark:
According to tradition and early church fathers, the author is Mark the Evangelist, the companion of the apostle Peter. The gospel, however, appears to rely on several underlying sources, varying in form and in theology, and which tells against the tradition that the gospel was based on Peter's preaching. Various elements within the gospel, including the importance of the authority of Peter and the broadness of the basic theology, suggest that the author wrote in Syria or Palestine for a non-Jewish Christian community which had earlier absorbed the influence of pre-Pauline beliefs and then developed them further independent of Paul.

Matthew:
Early Christian tradition held that the Gospel of Matthew was written in "Hebrew" (Aramaic, the language of Judea) by the apostle Matthew, the tax-collector and disciple of Jesus, but according to the majority of modern scholars it is unlikely that this Gospel was written by an eyewitness, Modern scholars interpret the tradition to mean that Papias, its source, writing about 125–150 CE, believed that Matthew had made a collection of the sayings of Jesus. Papias's description does not correspond well with what is known of the gospel: it was most probably written in Greek, not Aramaic or Hebrew, it depends on the Greek Gospels of Mark and on the hypothetical Q document, and it is not a collection of sayings. Although the identity of the author is unknown, the internal evidence of the Gospel suggests that he was an ethnic Jewish male scribe from a Hellenised city, possibly Antioch in Syria,[81] and that he wrote between 70 and 100 CE using a variety of oral traditions and written sources about Jesus.

Cont.>

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456562 Sep 7, 2012
Cont.^
Luke and Acts:
There is general acceptance that the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles originated as a two-volume work by a single author addressed to an otherwise unknown individual named Theophilus. This author was an "amateur Hellenistic historian" versed in Greek rhetoric, that being the standard training for historians in the ancient world.
According to tradition the author was Luke the Evangelist, the companion of the Apostle Paul, but many modern scholars have expressed doubt and opinion on the subject is evenly divided. Instead, they believe Luke-Acts was written by an anonymous Christian author who may not have been an eyewitness to any of the events recorded within the text. Some of the evidence cited comes from the text of Luke-Acts itself. In the preface to Luke, the author refers to having eyewitness testimony "handed down to us" and to having undertaken a "careful investigation", but the author does not mention his own name or explicitly claim to be an eyewitness to any of the events, except for the we passages. And in the we passages, the narrative is written in the first person plural— the author never refers to himself as "I" or "me". To those who are skeptical of an eyewitness author, the we passages are usually regarded as fragments of a second document, part of some earlier account, which was later incorporated into Acts by the later author of Luke-Acts, or simply a Greek rhetorical device used for sea voyages
John:
John 21:24 identifies the author of the Gospel of John as "the beloved disciple," and from the late 2nd century this figure, unnamed in the Gospel itself, was identified with John the son of Zebedee. Today, however, most scholars agree that John 21 is an appendix to the Gospel, which originally ended at John 20:30–31. The majority of scholars date the Gospel of John to c. 80–95, and propose that the author made use of two major sources, a "Signs" source (a collection of seven miracle stories) and a "Discourse" source.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456563 Sep 7, 2012
Citations for above^

Jens Schroter, Gospel of Mark, in Aune, David E.,(ed) "The Blackwell companion to the New Testament" (Blackwell Publishing, 2010), p.277-8
Theissen, Gerd and Annette Merz. The historical Jesus: a comprehensive guide. Fortress Press. 1998. translated from German (1996 edition). p. 24-27.
Jens Schroter, Gospel of Mark, in Aune, p.278
Dennis C. Duling, Gospel of Matthew, in Aune, David E.,(ed) "The Blackwell companion to the New Testament" (Blackwell Publishing, 2010), p. 298
"Matthew, Gospel acc. to St." Cross, F. L., ed. The Oxford dictionary of the Christian church. New York: Oxford University Press. 2005
Dennis C. Duling, Gospel of Matthew, in Aune, David E.,(ed) "The Blackwell companion to the New Testament" (Blackwell Publishing, 2010), pp. 301–302
Dennis C. Duling, Gospel of Matthew, in Aune, David E.,(ed) "The Blackwell companion to the New Testament" (Blackwell Publishing, 2010), p.302
Dennis C. Duling, Gospel of Matthew, in Aune, David E.,(ed) "The Blackwell companion to the New Testament" (Blackwell Publishing, 2010), pp. 302–303.
Ehrman 2004, p. 110 and Harris 1985 both specify a range c. 80–85; Gundry 1982, Hagner 1993, and Blomberg 1992 argue for a date before 70.
Dennis C. Duling, Gospel of Matthew, in Aune, David E.,(ed) "The Blackwell companion to the New Testament" (Blackwell Publishing, 2010), p.296
Horrell, DG, An Introduction to the study of Paul, T&T Clark, 2006, 2nd Ed.,p.7; cf. W. L. Knox, The Acts of the Apostles (1948), p. 2-15 for detailed arguments that still stand.
David E. Aune, "The New Testament in its literary environment" (Westminster John Knox Press, 1987) p.77
Raymond E. Brown, Introduction to the New Testament, New York: Anchor Bible (1997), pages 267–8. ISBN 0-385-24767-2.
Robbins, Vernon. "Perspectives on Luke-Acts", http://www.christianorigins.com/bylandbysea.h... . Originally appeared in: Perspectives on Luke-Acts. C. H. Talbert, ed. Perspectives in Religious Studies, Special Studies Series, No. 5. Macon, Ga: Mercer Univ. Press and Edinburgh: T.& T. Clark, 1978: 215–242.
The Gospel and Epistles of John: a concise commentary Raymond Edward Brown (Liturgical Press, 1988) p.10
Barnabas Lindars, "John" (Sheffield Academic Press, 1990) p.11
Bruce, F.F. The New Testament Documents: Are they Reliable? p.7
David E. Aune "The New Testament in its literary environment" (Westminster John Knox Press, 1987) p.20

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456564 Sep 7, 2012
Letter to the HebrewsThe Church included the Letter to the Hebrews as the fourteenth letter of Paul until the Reformation. Pauline authorship is now generally rejected, and the real author is unknown.
[edit] General epistlesSee also: Epistle of James, First Epistle of Peter, Second Epistle of Peter, First Epistle of John, Second Epistle of John, Third Epistle of John, and Epistle of Jude
The traditional authors are: Peter the apostle (First and Second Peter); the author of the Gospel of John (First, Second and Third John), writing in advanced age; "Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James" (Epistle of Jude); and James the Just, "a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ" (James). In fact 1 John is anonymous, and 2 and 3 John identify their author only as "the Elder." Most scholars today regard 2 Peter as pseudonymous, and many hold the same opinion of James, 1 Peter and Jude.
[edit] RevelationMain article: Book of Revelation#Authorship
The author of the Book of Revelation was traditionally believed to be the same person as both John, the apostle of Jesus and John the Evangelist, the traditional author of the Fourth Gospel – the tradition can be traced to Justin Martyr, writing in the early 2nd century. Most biblical scholars now believe that these were separate individuals. The name "John" suggests that the author was a Christian of Jewish descent, and although he never explicitly identifies himself as a prophet it is likely that he belonged to a group of Christian prophets and was known as such to members of the churches in Asia Minor. Since the 2nd century the author has been identified with one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus. This is commonly linked with an assumption that the same author wrote the Gospel of John. Others, however, have argued that the author could have been John the Elder of Ephesus, a view which depends on whether a tradition cited by Eusebius was referring to someone other than the apostle. The precise identity of "John" therefore remains unknown.

Fonck, Leopold. "Epistle to the Hebrews." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. Web: 30 Dec. 2009.
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 81.4
Harris, Stephen L., Understanding the Bible. Palo Alto: Mayfield. 1985. p. 355
Ehrman, Bart D.(2004). The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings. New York: Oxford. p. 468. ISBN 0-19-515462-2.
"Eerdmans commentary on the Bible", James D. G. Dunn, John William Rogerson (eds) p.153

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456568 Sep 7, 2012
JohnJaws wrote:
<quoted text>
...You say God doesn't exist. You say prayer won't change anything...
I said no such things, ever.

OK. You have convnced me that you are nothing but a common liar.

<spits thrice towards England>

“Don't feed the trolls...”

Since: Jun 07

Atlanta, GA

#456576 Sep 8, 2012
Interesting.
Now I have Shrinky-Dink and JJ telling me I use verses out of context but yet neither of them can tell us HOW they are out of context or WHY they are out of context.
It could be that because the verses I posted to them strike to close to home!
And that is something us humans struggle with....we don't want to be seen as wrong. It puts us on the defensive when our faults are pointed out to us.

Y'all have a great day and weekend. Bow season starts here in Georgia this morning, but I am headed out the door to play in a softball tournament to raise funds for a local church's youth group.
CM

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