Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Fisher of Fish ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#23 Feb 28, 2008
Larry wrote:
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With all due respect Granny:
1. I think we most certainly do deserve His forgiveness. We are put in a circumstance where we can't live up to expectations. Its like me putting a cake in front of a two year old and saying don't eat the cake and then leaving the room. When you come back and the cake is all over the room and the child. who could you possibly blame? The child or myself for putting the child in a circumstance he can't possibly resist.
2. Jesus should feel nothing personal about sin and how He is percieved. For what ever reason (and its never been explained in a way that makes sense to me) Satan is let loose on earth to win souls. And he will win souls over. A christian will believe he has won me over. I don't see it that way. I have nothing personal against Jesus. I don't love worldly things more than Him or my salvation. I don't love or cherish sin. If He wants me to love Him all He needs to do is reveal Himself to me. Its all I've ever asked of Him since my search began in earnest.
But never the less it was Gods decision to let Satan loose on earth. It doesn't make sense, He owes Satan nothing, from what I've read in the bible but still he chose to loose him to take souls with him to hell.
I don't know if you've ever heard of Medjugorje. But there are supposedly visionaries there. Recently a visionary revealed that God gave Satan permision to attack His church for 100 years. I don't believe in that nonsense, but millions do. Lets give christianity the benefit of the doubt for a second (at least on my part). Why would God do this? What in the Heck does he owe Satan that he He puts human souls at risk?
Hey Larry,
You are right. There is no way that we can follow all of those rules/laws perfectly. I believe that is why He sent Jesus. Jesus did fulfill and obey every single law that was ever made in those days. He was perfect. Because of that perfection and my identifying with the Christ, I am seen as perfect, in God's eyes.
It is hard to understand and that is where the faith part comes in. I have faith in God. He has my back. He knows all of the mysteries of life. No one has to explain a thing to Him. I just have to trust Him.

There was a time when I thought that God had really let me down. I had to come to the realization that God knew the future. He knew what was best. It most certainly did not seem the best to me, but then again, I don't have the mind of God. I have the mind of Denie, frail, imperfect, human.

Larry, you mean so much to me. I just want you to know. Sorry to get all mushy but I do consider you my close brother. You know that already. Thank you for all of the times you have come to my defence. I just wanted to tell you.
Denie

“Fisher of Fish ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#24 Feb 28, 2008
CBart95 wrote:
"Just Wondering" just wandered in to a place of Love and high expectations. This happy "accident" may actually be the result of Divine Love or maybe someone here "prayed" you here.
You overall approach seems to suggest that your are praying to a "GOD" who is not as forgiving and loving as the "God" so many of us celibrate.
Your list of Daily "Sins" has you living in fear and regret when, by our way of believing, all you've done is the obvious things simple living has us doing that may keep us less than fulfilled on a daily basis, but certainly not living in dread about our chances of getting into Heaven.
Our "GOD" is a loving God...a forgiving ,patient higher being who Loves each of us. Thus we believe in the goodness of the Lord as we go out into the Land of the Living! Our lives take on new meaning and focus and we contribute our thoghts and energy toward the fulfillment of our souls.
It's a priviledge to welcome you here to join with us in this celebration of God's LOVE.
PS: Pay no attention to the Athiests and other unhappy types you will encounter here: We prayed them here too.
You're a smart person.
Ya give great advice.
Blessings to You,
Denie
Larry

Minneapolis, MN

#25 Feb 28, 2008
denie wrote:
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Hey JW,
I did notice that cute pup. I am enjoying that Dog lovers thread. WarriorMom encouraged me to start it. Have a great day.
Love Denie
I think I am going to enjoy this thread. I know I have wondered how He could put up with me. I am happy that He does.
No offense Denie, but how do you put up with your children? Should it be any different with God?

According to the bible, we couldn't begin to understand what unconditional love is about. Go hit your dog with a newspaper to get his attention. Most likely he will come right back to you and lick your feet, jump in circles anything to put a smile on your face. How could a loving God love you any less than a dog?

I'll never understand how a christian can feel he/she doesn't deserve to be loved or forgiven by God.

I think you should really take a look at that. Life is hard enough without feeling guilty and not worthy. If your sorry, your forgiven. I think Mother Theresa said there is nothing more insulting to God then thinking He won't forgive you. If you make a mistake ask for forgiveness, forgive yourself and move on don't hold on to it.

Remember Paul was a murderer, David was an adulterer and murderer. Thomas doubted, Peter denied Him. Mary was less then pure, the thief was a thief.

Written with nothing but respect for you Denie. JMO

Since: Jul 07

San Pedro,CA

#26 Feb 28, 2008
Denie! You brighten my day with your sweet compliments. I feel the same way about you and a bunch of wonderful beings who we are so priviledged to share this place with. I feel certain that you and so many of our coharts perform wonderful acts of love and service in gracing this place...and I'm certain we minister by example of our Love of God to those who wander into our midst in need of HOPE.
Larry

Minneapolis, MN

#27 Feb 28, 2008
denie wrote:
<quoted text>
I have the mind of Denie, frail, imperfect, human.
Larry, you mean so much to me. I just want you to know. Sorry to get all mushy but I do consider you my close brother. You know that already. Thank you for all of the times you have come to my defence. I just wanted to tell you.
Denie
Who no doubt does the best she can with what she's given, and your God knows this.

Quit gettin all mushy Denie :o) I can't stand bullies and there seems to be alot of em on topix..........

No need to thank me, but thanks for lettin me know.

“Squirrel Shelter”

Since: Dec 06

Smalltown, USA

#28 Feb 28, 2008
CBart95 wrote:
Just Wondering! Wait till you hear the story on God's GRACE! It will likely blow your mind.
In the simple telling of it a magic door of understanding may swing wide for you...as it has for so many former doubters...Good to have you join us!
I understand what you're saying, CBart. Since I have accepted God's grace and forgiveness, the peace and wonder of it all is with me constantly. I think that I'll never want to feel any other way. I just am trying very hard to live up to what He expects of me and am so disappointed in myself when I catch myself falling back into old habits. I'm getting better at it and feeling more secure though. Liked Larry's example of the newspaper and the dog, I think sometimes that I'm pretty much that naughty little dog sometimes, always trying to please and always feeling that I fall short of what God expects from me. Unconditional love is something that I never had until I had my own children and that is what I feel for them.'Scuse my rambling but it is getting clearer for me each day and I like to think that I'm improving. Just the thought of not having that for myself from God is what bothers me the most. My bible study has been here and there, know most of it, but feel if I apply myself to reading it more and meditating on it, it will become clearer to me.
Hope what I'm saying is clear to you, I just re-read what I wrote and I am sincere if not kind of wandering around the subject. lol.
God Bless

“Fisher of Fish ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#29 Feb 28, 2008
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
No offense Denie, but how do you put up with your children? Should it be any different with God?
According to the bible, we couldn't begin to understand what unconditional love is about. Go hit your dog with a newspaper to get his attention. Most likely he will come right back to you and lick your feet, jump in circles anything to put a smile on your face. How could a loving God love you any less than a dog?
I'll never understand how a christian can feel he/she doesn't deserve to be loved or forgiven by God.
I think you should really take a look at that. Life is hard enough without feeling guilty and not worthy. If your sorry, your forgiven. I think Mother Theresa said there is nothing more insulting to God then thinking He won't forgive you. If you make a mistake ask for forgiveness, forgive yourself and move on don't hold on to it.
Remember Paul was a murderer, David was an adulterer and murderer. Thomas doubted, Peter denied Him. Mary was less then pure, the thief was a thief.
Written with nothing but respect for you Denie. JMO
Hi Larry,
Relax. I know that you would not disrespect me. I know that. I am not put off or upset by honest questions. I guess what I very poorly tried to explain, was that I am an sinner saved by Grace. God hates sin. Because I have sinned, I needed to be made pure and perfect. God had a plan. A way for me to be made perfect. The way I understand this plan is, God sent His son to die on a cross. Do I understand that, no way. I do not understand but do I believe it? I do. That is where the faith comes In.
Do I deserve God's love? His unconditional love? I would love to say yes. I still sin every day. I still have that sin nature within my flesh. I am forgiven that sin. It does not give me the right to sin at will.
It is not that God moves away from me when I sin, He loves me. It is that I move away from Him when I sin. Sin separates and creates this huge gap. Because I have accepted Jesus Christ, The gap is forever closed.
Larry, this is so hard to explain. It is about faith. Do I believe that God loves me? Do I believe that I am worthy of His love? The Bible says that my works are like filthy rags. Works do not mend fences with God. Love and trust mends fences with God.
He loves me and I am grateful.
Please forgive me. I am no theologian. I just know the thing that has finally given me great peace and joy.

Love Denie

“Squirrel Shelter”

Since: Dec 06

Smalltown, USA

#30 Feb 28, 2008
denie wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Larry,
Relax. I know that you would not disrespect me. I know that. I am not put off or upset by honest questions. I guess what I very poorly tried to explain, was that I am an sinner saved by Grace. God hates sin. Because I have sinned, I needed to be made pure and perfect. God had a plan. A way for me to be made perfect. The way I understand this plan is, God sent His son to die on a cross. Do I understand that, no way. I do not understand but do I believe it? I do. That is where the faith comes In.
Do I deserve God's love? His unconditional love? I would love to say yes. I still sin every day. I still have that sin nature within my flesh. I am forgiven that sin. It does not give me the right to sin at will.
It is not that God moves away from me when I sin, He loves me. It is that I move away from Him when I sin. Sin separates and creates this huge gap. Because I have accepted Jesus Christ, The gap is forever closed.
Larry, this is so hard to explain. It is about faith. Do I believe that God loves me? Do I believe that I am worthy of His love? The Bible says that my works are like filthy rags. Works do not mend fences with God. Love and trust mends fences with God.
He loves me and I am grateful.
Please forgive me. I am no theologian. I just know the thing that has finally given me great peace and joy.
Love Denie
Great post Denie. That's exactly how I feel.

“Fisher of Fish ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#31 Feb 28, 2008
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post Denie. That's exactly how I feel.
Thanks for your kind words. It is so hard to explain something that you take by faith.
Bless You,
Denie
Larry

Minneapolis, MN

#32 Feb 28, 2008
denie wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Larry,
1. Relax. I know that you would not disrespect me. I know that. I am not put off or upset by honest questions. I guess what I very poorly tried to explain, was that I am an sinner saved by Grace. God hates sin.

2. Because I have sinned, I needed to be made pure and perfect.

3.God had a plan. A way for me to be made perfect. The way I understand this plan is, God sent His son to die on a cross. Do I understand that, no way. I do not understand but do I believe it? I do. That is where the faith comes In.

4. Do I deserve God's love? His unconditional love? I would love to say yes. I still sin every day. I still have that sin nature within my flesh. I am forgiven that sin. It does not give me the right to sin at will.
It is not that God moves away from me when I sin, He loves me. It is that I move away from Him when I sin. Sin separates and creates this huge gap. Because I have accepted Jesus Christ, The gap is forever closed.
Larry, this is so hard to explain. It is about faith. Do I believe that God loves me? Do I believe that I am worthy of His love? The Bible says that my works are like filthy rags. Works do not mend fences with God. Love and trust mends fences with God.
He loves me and I am grateful.
Please forgive me. I am no theologian.

5. I just know the thing that has finally given me great peace and joy.
Love Denie
1. Just wanted to be sure..........

2. Do you mean because you were born? So God puts you into a world where you can only fail, and then apparently lays out a foundation for a guilt trip for the rest of your life........

3. I'm glad you found your peace.

4. Yes you do!!!!!!!!! We all do!!!!!!! And

thats the part I don't get and frankly don't think I ever will. See response #2 in this post. God made the rules, You better believe we deserve it. We had no part in this other then being born.

5. I'm truly happy for you!!!

Denie you don't need to respond to any of this, although you can if you desire. I probably won't respond any further. We won't get any where anyway. Not that I'm trying to change anyones beliefs, I have no desire for that. I thought the topic of the forum was interesting and wanted to get my two cents worth in. I'll leave you guys alone, and hopefully the trolls and atheists will leave you guys alone so you can share your love for your God in peace. Just try to do me one favor, lose the attitude your not worthy!! Its not healthy and I doubt its a sin to think your worthy. JMO
Love to you to Denie!!

Larry, Daryl and Darrell

“Fisher of Fish ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#33 Feb 28, 2008
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Just wanted to be sure..........
2. Do you mean because you were born? So God puts you into a world where you can only fail, and then apparently lays out a foundation for a guilt trip for the rest of your life........
3. I'm glad you found your peace.
4. Yes you do!!!!!!!!! We all do!!!!!!! And
thats the part I don't get and frankly don't think I ever will. See response #2 in this post. God made the rules, You better believe we deserve it. We had no part in this other then being born.
5. I'm truly happy for you!!!
Denie you don't need to respond to any of this, although you can if you desire. I probably won't respond any further. We won't get any where anyway. Not that I'm trying to change anyones beliefs, I have no desire for that. I thought the topic of the forum was interesting and wanted to get my two cents worth in. I'll leave you guys alone, and hopefully the trolls and atheists will leave you guys alone so you can share your love for your God in peace. Just try to do me one favor, lose the attitude your not worthy!! Its not healthy and I doubt its a sin to think your worthy. JMO
Love to you to Denie!!
Larry, Daryl and Darrell
Hi Larry,
I hope you will stay around. I don't try to shove my religion on anyone. It is something that does fulfill me.
I hope the same about the trolls but I am not holding my breath. Lol
Tell your brother hello and give them my love. We are very good friends. Those guys are special to me!!!
Denie

John Coffey

“Romans 10:9-10”

Since: Dec 07

Decatur, In.

#34 Feb 28, 2008
denie wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Larry,
Relax. I know that you would not disrespect me. I know that. I am not put off or upset by honest questions. I guess what I very poorly tried to explain, was that I am an sinner saved by Grace. God hates sin. Because I have sinned, I needed to be made pure and perfect. God had a plan. A way for me to be made perfect. The way I understand this plan is, God sent His son to die on a cross. Do I understand that, no way. I do not understand but do I believe it? I do. That is where the faith comes In.
Do I deserve God's love? His unconditional love? I would love to say yes. I still sin every day. I still have that sin nature within my flesh. I am forgiven that sin. It does not give me the right to sin at will.
It is not that God moves away from me when I sin, He loves me. It is that I move away from Him when I sin. Sin separates and creates this huge gap. Because I have accepted Jesus Christ, The gap is forever closed.
Larry, this is so hard to explain. It is about faith. Do I believe that God loves me? Do I believe that I am worthy of His love? The Bible says that my works are like filthy rags. Works do not mend fences with God. Love and trust mends fences with God.
He loves me and I am grateful.
Please forgive me. I am no theologian. I just know the thing that has finally given me great peace and joy.
Love Denie
You explained it perfectly Denie. That's about all you can do. If Larry rejects it then so be it you have done your part. Great post. Much love and God bless you.

Since: Jul 07

San Pedro,CA

#35 Feb 28, 2008
Just Wondering: Just relax. It's a nice way to sum things up for now. You're home! Your'e on your way. These old habits? You will eventually leave behind like fallen leaves...but they won't be left easily...you spent a lifetime developing them and it will take your work(with God's help) for you to "unlearn" them and replace them. All in good time. Now's the time to get on with living and loving. Your freedom beckons. Your grattitude list needs updating. Look around, Who can you be a friend to? How can you help another soul? Everything good is coming your way.

“Fisher of Fish ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#36 Feb 28, 2008
John Coffey wrote:
<quoted text>
You explained it perfectly Denie. That's about all you can do. If Larry rejects it then so be it you have done your part. Great post. Much love and God bless you.
Thank You, John
I appreciate the vote of confidence.
Please be careful on your trip.
Love and Blessings to You,
Denie

“Old School Granny ”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#37 Feb 28, 2008
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
With all due respect Granny:
1. I think we most certainly do deserve His forgiveness. We are put in a circumstance where we can't live up to expectations. Its like me putting a cake in front of a two year old and saying don't eat the cake and then leaving the room. When you come back and the cake is all over the room and the child. who could you possibly blame? The child or myself for putting the child in a circumstance he can't possibly resist.
2. Jesus should feel nothing personal about sin and how He is percieved. For what ever reason (and its never been explained in a way that makes sense to me) Satan is let loose on earth to win souls. And he will win souls over. A christian will believe he has won me over. I don't see it that way. I have nothing personal against Jesus. I don't love worldly things more than Him or my salvation. I don't love or cherish sin. If He wants me to love Him all He needs to do is reveal Himself to me. Its all I've ever asked of Him since my search began in earnest.
But never the less it was Gods decision to let Satan loose on earth. It doesn't make sense, He owes Satan nothing, from what I've read in the bible but still he chose to loose him to take souls with him to hell.
I don't know if you've ever heard of Medjugorje. But there are supposedly visionaries there. Recently a visionary revealed that God gave Satan permision to attack His church for 100 years. I don't believe in that nonsense, but millions do. Lets give christianity the benefit of the doubt for a second (at least on my part). Why would God do this? What in the Heck does he owe Satan that he He puts human souls at risk?
Hi Larry,-- You indeed are very respectful and I so apprciate all your input.

I've read ahead and read all that Denie had to say, I really can't elaborate more than what she has written.

I simply love the Lord Jesus, and I believe,-- I will add that I'm so human and let my own guard down to much, I let personal resentment cloud my better judgement and if I've learned anything on Topix it's that I've been my own best teacher. For what I've been able to try and portray to others has been to my own teaching better.

I guess thats kinda what it'a all about lessons learned.

You have a good heart and do make a lot of sense, so don't give up on us o;k. I for one like to see you around and so glad you posted me.

Blessings - Granny
Divine Alien

Jenjarom, Malaysia

#38 Feb 28, 2008
CBart95 wrote:
"Just Wondering" just wandered in to a place of Love and high expectations. This happy "accident" may actually be the result of Divine Love or maybe someone here "prayed" you here.
You overall approach seems to suggest that your are praying to a "GOD" who is not as forgiving and loving as the "God" so many of us celibrate.
Your list of Daily "Sins" has you living in fear and regret when, by our way of believing, all you've done is the obvious things simple living has us doing that may keep us less than fulfilled on a daily basis, but certainly not living in dread about our chances of getting into Heaven.
Our "GOD" is a loving God...a forgiving ,patient higher being who Loves each of us. Thus we believe in the goodness of the Lord as we go out into the Land of the Living! Our lives take on new meaning and focus and we contribute our thoghts and energy toward the fulfillment of our souls.
It's a priviledge to welcome you here to join with us in this celebration of God's LOVE.
PS: Pay no attention to the Athiests and other unhappy types you will encounter here: We prayed them here too.
Those types whom we encounter here are good for strengthening our love for Jesus. Their argument/points are spititualless; they don't experience what the followers of Jesus experience though they claim to love but in a human way.

Anyway, always include them in our prayers though they may say that they don't need to be prayed.
Divine Alien

Jenjarom, Malaysia

#39 Feb 28, 2008
Jesus has a purpose to love you, and God as well. God created human for a purpose; He loves them; He loves His creation. He created everything in this space because He loves. The situation appears loveless coz something wants to be god himself instead of worshipping the true God. Everything is under the care of God. Those evil things are the abuse of freedom of choice given by God in the prime objective of His creation.

John Coffey

“Romans 10:9-10”

Since: Dec 07

Decatur, In.

#40 Feb 28, 2008
I see many have gravitated from the "Jesus loves you thread" to this new one and it has yet to be infested by the evil that overran that thread. Perhaps this will be a fresh start to a thread that can be used to share the love of God which was the initial intent of the "Jesus loves you thread". I think we all know that it will just be a matter of time until many if not all of those that polluted that thread will make their way to this one in an attempt to do the same thing to this thread. If I may I would like to make a suggestion here about how we can keep that from happening to this thread. When they show up if "all of us" (and I mean all of us) just completely ignore them (and I mean completely ignore them) and don't give them any reaction to whatever they may say I don't think they will make this a regular stop because they won't be getting the attention they crave. And if one of us sees someone opening the door and giving them the chance to firmly get their foot in here someone else will remind them not to give them the attention they will be looking for so they can pollute this thread. In that I mean if I say something to one of them or to someone else in here about what they said then one of you remind me not to give them the chance to ruin this thread. Or if anyone sees others talking about them being here and what they are saying that we do the same in that situation. Just act like they aren't even here. We contributed to them sticking around on that thread because we reacted and responded to the poison they spewed in that thread. One response lead to one answer and it snow balled from there. If we collectively as a group just completely ignore them no matter what they say or how they attack or how many show up here and even if they start talking amongst themselves about us if we don't respond to them or talk amongst ourselves about what they are saying they will grow bored because they aren't getting the reaction from us that they want. When Jesus put satan behind him he did just that. He told him so and never ever responded to him again. If any of us (and I mean any of us) including me respond with even a "no you are wrong" or "no that's not right" or any response to ANYTHING then we are just opening the door to have the same thing happen here. When I say ignore I don't just mean not respond to them but don't even respond to what they may say amongst themselves about anything. If we talk about them in the 3rd party amongst ourselves that will still leave the door open and make them want to stay. We all know who the ones are that will come here and want to start up with us so I don't need to mention them all by name. If they show up then let them say what they want about us, to us, or whatever they choose to do. Just let them do it and ignore them like they aren't even here. If we see someone new that shows up that is searching then of course by all means we all can witness to them but if they are not really seeking but are really here just to bash then ignore them immediately. If they see we aren't even paying attention to what they are saying and are acting like they aren't even here they will leave. Remember Gods Word says we shouldn't be unequally yoked with unbelievers because when we are what happens is what happened in that old thread. I for one will not respond or even mention anything about them if they show up. I hope we all can do that. Because it's my belief if we all do that and never give them an inch this thread will be the kind of thread we all would like it to be. I hope that happens. Much love and Gods blessings to all here. John Coffey.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#41 Feb 28, 2008
So this is the new hangout, huh?

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#42 Feb 28, 2008
CBart95 wrote:
"Just Wondering"

PS: Pay no attention to the Athiests and other unhappy types you will encounter here
I love this stuff. Christian hypocrisy at it's finest for the world to see.

Mat 5:38-48

“You have heard that it was said,‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’

But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.

If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.

Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

“You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[fn8] and hate your enemy.’
But I tell you: Love your enemies[fn9] and pray for those who persecute you,

that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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