OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#56036 Dec 27, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
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See here's the thing, one can always question someone's opinions, but statistics are not opinions...
When it says the US is like 15 in health and mortality and lists the other countries above it, you can look and see what is different between them and us.
The one's above us...all some kind of national health care....no one but all.
So trying to argue it really doesn't make sense...
We have great doctors for the people that can afford it..
Plus having the ability to have insurance does give you wellness visits with no deductible...
The availability of having continuity of care with a Doctor for what is as simple ailment vs showing up in the emergency room with a major one...
The availability of pregnant women to affordable prenatal care makes a health baby leading to a healthy child leading to a healthy adult.
And so on...
But to deny this is denying reality....facts are facts...simple as that..
Plus just look at how wellness and death rates in the elderly before Medicare compared to what they are now with Medicare...
It would be just the same for the rest of the population. Fact.
As for the stats to why other countries with a National health plan is healthier than the U.S. you would also have to look at other stats besides Health ins. There is more to it besides just health ins.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#56037 Dec 27, 2013
If your worried about how it affects business....

Well with a national healthcare plan..no business would have to mess with it...that would be great...

I don't see Canada crashing and burning in the business department and they have a national health care plan...and your not stuck in a job you don't like just because you may have a pre-existing condition....
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#56038 Dec 27, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
<quoted text>
See here's the thing, one can always question someone's opinions, but statistics are not opinions...
When it says the US is like 15 in health and mortality and lists the other countries above it, you can look and see what is different between them and us.
The one's above us...all some kind of national health care....no one but all.
So trying to argue it really doesn't make sense...
We have great doctors for the people that can afford it..
Plus having the ability to have insurance does give you wellness visits with no deductible...
The availability of having continuity of care with a Doctor for what is as simple ailment vs showing up in the emergency room with a major one...
The availability of pregnant women to affordable prenatal care makes a health baby leading to a healthy child leading to a healthy adult.
And so on...
But to deny this is denying reality....facts are facts...simple as that..
Plus just look at how wellness and death rates in the elderly before Medicare compared to what they are now with Medicare...
It would be just the same for the rest of the population. Fact.
One more thing before I call it a nite.
Don't look for the stats about elderly on Medicare getting better when in fact it may be getting worse. There are some wellness testing that medicare will not be paying for after Jan. 1, 2014.
Lisa

United States

#56039 Dec 27, 2013
Top Dem presses Obama on Iran sanctions after centrifuge surprise

Published December 27, 2013
FoxNews.com

President Obama faced mounting bipartisan pressure on Friday to drop his resistance to an Iran sanctions bill after Tehran announced a new generation of equipment to enrich uranium -- a move the Israelis claimed was further proof the regime seeks nuclear weapons.

One of the president's top Democratic allies is leading the charge for Congress to pass sanctions legislation, despite the president's pleas to stand down. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez, D-N.J., told Fox News that the "Iranians are showing their true intentions" with their latest announcement.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#56040 Dec 27, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>As for the stats to why other countries with a National health plan is healthier than the U.S. you would also have to look at other stats besides Health ins. There is more to it besides just health ins.
What about the seniors before and after medicare here in the US...

There is no reason why that wouldn't correlate to the rest of the population.
DoesntMatter

Cushing, OK

#56041 Dec 27, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
<quoted text>What about the seniors before and after medicare here in the US...

There is no reason why that wouldn't correlate to the rest of the population.
Seniors are healthier and live longer because of advancement in medical science, just like the rest of the population.
Lisa

United States

#56042 Dec 27, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>As for the stats to why other countries with a National health plan is healthier than the U.S. you would also have to look at other stats besides Health ins. There is more to it besides just health ins.
Having health insurance is not the same a having good healthcare. With all the doctors no longer available to people who have signed up on ObamaCare the quality of their healthcare experience is questionable at best. Many doctors, clinics and hospitals ARE NOT in the network approved by ObamaCare.

What was missing in our healthcare prior to ObamaCare could have been fixed without wrecking the entire healthcare system in our country and bankrupting the middle class in the process.

Stupid law and only stupid people still support it. ObamaCare is destroying our country.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#56043 Dec 27, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the seniors before and after medicare here in the US...
There is no reason why that wouldn't correlate to the rest of the population.
A lot of people before they were on medicare and had health insurance only went to the doctor when health issues forced them to. Many health issues run in the family like heart issues, cancers and on down the line. Many of my friends and including my husband that I went in for regular check ups plus the preventative one like mammograms and colonoscopies every 3 years. Everyone one had good health insurance but did not take advantage of it and many had college degrees. For some that decision did not play in their favor. People are living longer now because the treatments for so many medical conditions have come along way and gotten better. But many had the health issues that they may not had survived several year back.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#56044 Dec 27, 2013
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
Having health insurance is not the same a having good healthcare. With all the doctors no longer available to people who have signed up on ObamaCare the quality of their healthcare experience is questionable at best. Many doctors, clinics and hospitals ARE NOT in the network approved by ObamaCare.
What was missing in our healthcare prior to ObamaCare could have been fixed without wrecking the entire healthcare system in our country and bankrupting the middle class in the process.
Stupid law and only stupid people still support it. ObamaCare is destroying our country.
I understand that aspect of the situation also.
Lisa

United States

#56045 Dec 27, 2013
Canadians depending on which province they live can pay as much as 60% of their yearly income to taxes with highly populated provinces being the highest. Ontario which is rural pays 35% approx. doctor visit can take months to finally get in to see a doctor.

You want to do the Canadian route?

Again insurance does not equal good healthcare.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#56046 Dec 27, 2013
Your opinions don't take the place of measurable facts...

Fact :countries with a national healthcare have better health outcomes for their citizens and live longer than people in the US.

Fact: People in countries with a national health care system will not give it up and is a losing proposition for a politician to even hint at it...even a conservative one. Even Margret Thatcher.
Lisa

United States

#56047 Dec 27, 2013
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/india-seeks-possible...

India is furious with us for violating diplomatic procedures. So is Pakistan due to drone attacks.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#56048 Dec 27, 2013
Lisa wrote:
Canadians depending on which province they live can pay as much as 60% of their yearly income to taxes with highly populated provinces being the highest. Ontario which is rural pays 35% approx. doctor visit can take months to finally get in to see a doctor.
You want to do the Canadian route?
Again insurance does not equal good healthcare.
So no insurance equals good healthcare? Do you have anything besides opionion to back you up.

But if you have ever traveled to Canada and ask the citizens, they wouldn't give it up and if you asked them they are glad to say how crazy we are for not having it, as does the rest of the western countries..

Especially as we were declining in every metric while they were gaining.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#56049 Dec 27, 2013
It's as simple as this, our human body no matter how well we maintain our health, can change in a heartbeat if you have an accident. Or become ill in a outbreak of certain diseases..

Having the ability to go to a health professional for treatment should be available to everyone no matter of their ability to pay.

It's sad that in some of the health metrics we are right their with third world countries....it wrong ...wrong....wrong.
Lisa

United States

#56050 Dec 27, 2013
Saudis lament,'we have been stabbed in the back by Obama'

By Richard Miniter/
Published December 27, 2013/
FoxNews.com

Obama: "We screwed it up"
Arabs don’t trust Obama either.

As 2013 ends, President Obama has lost credibility with many people who trusted him at the start of the year. Thanks to the Healthcare.gov debacle, polls find support for the president among women and independents has dropped to the lowest ebb of his presidency. Obama's words -- promising Americans they could keep their doctors under his health care plan -- didn’t match his deeds.

Surprisingly, the same thing is happening on the other side of the world among Arabs in the Middle East and for the same reason.

Too often, Obama’s speeches and actions don’t match.

"We are glad the Americans are here," said Ahmed al-Ibrahim, an adviser to some of Saudi Arabia's royals and officials, when I met with him recently, "but we fear that the president has lost credibility after Syria."

Astonished Saudi officials are contrasting Obama's quick actions in South Sudan with his unwillingness to act in places like Syria or in Bahrain.

The Saudi official is referring to Obama’s “red line” vow of military action if the Syrian dictator Bashir Assad used chemical weapons against his own people. Assad did and Obama didn’t. Saudi officials were stunned.

Next came the revelation earlier this year that Obama was secretly negotiating with Iran, the mortal enemy of both Israel and Saudi Arabia. Officials in both nations have told me that they simply don't believe that the president can sweet-talk the mullahs out of the weapons they have coveted for years.

“The bond of trust between America and Saudi Arabia has been broken in the Obama years," al-Ibrahim said. "We feel we have been stabbed in the back by Obama."

"Every time that Obama had to choose between his enemies and his friends, he always chose his enemies," he said. "We don't know what he's putting in his tea."

Al-Ibrahim also pointed to Obama's “dangerous inaction” during violent Iran-backed uprisings in Bahrain, and now his negotiations with Iran, and his separate, secret negotiations with Iran's terrorist proxy Hezbollah. Since American officials cannot legally negotiate with terrorist groups and Hezbollah is a State Department-listed terror organization, the administration has been using British diplomats to carry messages to Hezbollah. The Obama administration reportedly favors a "warm up to a direct relationship in the future" with Hezbollah.

Obama is sending conflicting messages. In Washington, the president says negotiations are all we need to meet the Iranian threat. He issued a rare veto threat to try to halt tougher sanctions against Iran.

At the same time, in the Middle East, the president has dispatched more than 40 U.S. Navy vessels (including a carrier-strike group) and sent his secretary of defense to detail America's vast military assets in the region.

Speaking to Arab defense ministers, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel itemized America's military commitment to immediately respond to Iranian aggression:

• More than 35,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines in the theater;
• Even after exiting Iraq, the U.S. Army maintains more than 10,000 forward-deployed soldiers as well as tanks, artillery, and attack helicopters;
• America's most advanced fighter jets, including F-22s, are deployed less than an hour's flight time from Iran;
• American surveillance aircraft, ground listening stations, satellites, and sea patrols continue to scan for threats across the region;
• America's missile defense systems--on ground, sea, and air--remain on high alert. That includes the U.S. Navy's ballistic missile defense ships, Patriot missile batteries, and phased-array radars.




Lisa

United States

#56051 Dec 27, 2013
continued:

The Department of Defense will work with the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) on better integration of its members’ missile defense capabilities. The United States continues to believe that a multilateral framework is the best way to develop interoperable and integrated regional missile defense. Such defenses are the best way to deter and, if necessary, defeat coercion and aggression," Hagel told the Gulf News on Dec.18.

With little fanfare, Obama has also quietly lifted the ban on selling sensitive missile-defense technology to Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies living within reach of Iran's new Shahab-3 missiles. The Shahab-3's range is 1,242 miles--placing Israel and most of America's Arab allies within striking distance.

However, Obama's quiet efforts to provide new missile defenses and renewed security guarantees may be too little, too late.

The Saudis are now seeking their own military arrangements because they no longer trust the U.S. The GCC, a regional alliance of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, recently announced the creation of a joint military force based in the Saudi capital of Riyadh.

“There will be a unified command of around 100,000 members, God willing,” Prince Miteb bin Abdullah told reporters. This new force represents a massive expansion of the 30,000-strong Peninsula Shield force.

"We no longer believe that America alone can safeguard our freedom from Iranian aggression," said al-Ibrahim, "that's why we are expanding our forces and integrating our missile defenses with our neighbors."

He added, "the world should understand that the GCC will not stay quiet and leave our member-states vulnerable to bad actors and bad deals in the region. It is our duty to protect our region."

And now, astonished Saudi officials are contrasting Obama's quick actions last weekend in South Sudan with his unwillingness to act in places like Syria or in Bahrain where thousands of U.S. troops and the U.S. Navy’s Fifth Fleet are based.

"The president has shown that he can take action when he chooses to. He chose not to act after the chemical weapons attacks in Syria, but as soon as things started to go wrong in South Sudan, Obama jumped on it," said al-Ibrahim.

On Saturday, Obama dispatched three CV-22 Osprey aircraft, the sort that can fly like an airplane and an helicopter, to South Sudan to evacuate Americans caught in ongoing violence in the city of Bor. The aircraft came under small arms fire and were forced to retreat as they attempted to land. Four U.S. service members were injured in the attempted evacuation. American citizens were rescued successfully on Sunday using civilian and U.N. helicopters.

In his June 4, 2009 Cairo speech, the first American president raised in a Muslim land came to offer a bold promise: "I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect." Four and a half years later, Arab leaders like al-Ibrahim say that "mutual interest" is sundered and "mutual respect" squandered.

If the Saudi exasperation sounds familiar, it is because it is the same tone you hear in Tel Aviv and in Washington.
Lisa

United States

#56052 Dec 27, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
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So no insurance equals good healthcare? Do you have anything besides opionion to back you up.
I post links and other expert opinions most of time so YES I do my homework before I have an opinion.

Perhaps you would like trying that procedure for a change.
Lisa

United States

#56053 Dec 27, 2013
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/... .

Check out the history of Obama's backstabbing tactics!
Lisa

United States

#56054 Dec 27, 2013
President Obama plays golf during his Christmas vacation in Hawaii.(AP)

( CNSNews.com )– President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama, and their two daughters did not go to church on either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, according to press pool reports. The Obamas are in Kailua, Hawaii for a 17-day Christmas vacation.

Although the Obamas did not go to church for Christmas, President Obama did play golf during the afternoon of Dec. 24 and Mrs. Obama spoke with children by telephone on Christmas Eve for about 30 minutes concerning Santa’s whereabouts as tracked by NORAD. That same evening, the president also spoke with U.S. military personnel in different parts of the world by telephone.

On Christmas Day, according to the press pool reports as published by the Associated Press, the Obamas enjoyed a quiet Christmas morning at their beach vacation home on Oahu, where they spent the morning singing Christmas carols and opening gifts.

The White House released a video and audio weekly address on Dec. 25 by the president and first lady who wished everyone “happy holidays” and a “Merry Christmas.” In addition to talking about the sacrifices made by America’s military in different parts of the world, President Obama remarked about social and community service that provides “a chance to celebrate the birth of Christ and live out what He taught us – to love our neighbors as we would ourselves.”

Obama Hawaii
President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama look to each other as President Obama speaks to members of the military and their families at Marine Corps Base Hawaii, Dec. 25, 2013.(AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

In the late afternoon of Dec. 25, President Obama and the first lady went to the Marine Corps Base Hawaii and briefly spoke with the troops there. The president also spent about another two hours there speaking one-on-one with soldiers and posing for photographs.

The next day, Dec. 26, Obama went for an early-morning workout at the gym at Marine Corps Base Hawaii. He then returned home and signed some bills in private, according to the press pool report. That afternoon, the Obamas went for a hike at Manoa Falls, and later the president went to play golf at the Koolau Golf Club in Kanehoe.

CNSNews.com contacted the White House by e-mail to confirm the press pool reports indicating that the president did not go to church for Christmas but those inquiries were not answered by the time this story was posted
- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-cha...
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Karen Janbaz you've made all kinds of accusations against people of Oklahoma for being Christian hypocrites who only go to church on Christmas Day.

What kind of a Christian would you call Obama who doesn't go to church even on Christmas Day?
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#56055 Dec 27, 2013
Bahrain of course is a headache in the region, it's rulers are Sunni Muslim while the majority of it's citizens are Shia....they tried to have their own Arab Spring and the Saudi's came roaring in to squash it..and protect the
monarchy....

Plus their reopening the case file on our own 9/11 concerning Saudi support of certain charities that funneled money to Al-Queida...and all terrorist in Al-Quida are the Muslim sect that originated, financed and began in Saudi Arabia...

So I hardly consider them to have our best interests in mind...

The Sunni/Shia conflicts, wars...began before there was even a US of A.

Saudi/Iran conflict came long before there was even an Israel...

Nah...their just freaking because when you combine the oil capability of Iran plus Iraq....Saudi power in the region will decline...

Plus some kind of normalization with Iran will bring Iraq along with it...Right now China gets all their oil....not the US....no a good place to be if your like the sole super power, at least for the time being...Since China is always the winner when ever we start waring because all we do is lose trillions of dollars, our citizens and make more enemies while China sets there are reaps the benefits.

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