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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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#47570
Sep 22, 2013
 
TAMARA wrote:
But is the government gets shut down will any of these people in government be put in harms way? NO! But they threaten the community of the senior citizens to take Social Security and Medicare away. But these government people will get their paycheck and medical services. Why is this? Partly the senior citizens have not gotten off their duff and fought back or they have hid under the bed thinking it will all go away. Well HA-HA! Quite frankly I am sick at the way this country has been run and we the people are letting it go on. Shame on both parties and shame on us.
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Tamara, you need to quit. Social Security and Medicare will still be paid even if Republicans force a shutdown.
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Tamara, you need to quit. Social Security and Medicare will still be paid even if Republicans force a shutdown.


Why does Obama still want to cut off seniors Social Security?

The government is now funded as he asked of the House, all he has to do is get Harry Reid to pass it in the Senate and sign it... hurry up.
They can read it later, after they pass it and away from all the fog of the controversy.

If he doesn't, then we know he really wanted a shutdown all along and Majority of Americans will just blame him and Democrats.
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WMCOL wrote:
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Tamara, you need to quit. Social Security and Medicare will still be paid even if Republicans force a shutdown.
Even if you are right about So. Security and Medicare I am sick of the threat of them being held hostage. There people that would be in a world of hurt out there.
Sorry I think it is both sides that is hold this country hostage because neither side will work with the other. Each side wants it their way or it's the highway for the American people. Like I said it is not the people in the House or the Senate or the President that is going to be hurt so they do not care !
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The U.S. National Security Agency is able to crack protective measures on iPhones, BlackBerry and Android devices, giving it access to users' data on all major smartphones, according to a report Sunday in German news weekly Der Spiegel.
The magazine cited internal documents from the NSA and its British counterpart GCHQ in which the agencies describe setting up dedicated teams for each type of phone as part of their effort to gather intelligence on potential threats such as terrorists.
The data obtained this way includes contacts, call lists, SMS traffic, notes and location information, Der Spiegel reported. The documents don't indicate that the NSA is conducting mass surveillance of phone users but rather that these techniques are used to eavesdrop on specific individuals, the magazine said.
The article doesn't explain how the magazine obtained the documents, which are described as "secret." But one of its authors is Laura Poitras, an American filmmaker with close contacts to NSA leaker Edward Snowden who has published several articles about the NSA in Der Spiegel in recent weeks.
The documents outline how, starting in May 2009, intelligence agents were unable to access some information on BlackBerry phones for about a year after the Canadian manufacturer began using a new method to compress the data. After GCHQ cracked that problem, too, analysts celebrated their achievement with the word "Champagne," Der Spiegel reported.


Obama Gets Pimp Slapped Really Bad and Owned Irish Style...
This just might be the speech of the year. Clare Daly, an Irish Lawmaker tells it like it is during Irish parliament which was captured on video.

Daly goes onto say,ďis this person going for the hypocrite of the century award? Because we have to call things by their proper names, and the reality is by any serious examination, this man is a war criminal.Ē

This was in response to Obamaís speech on peace to children in Northern Ireland.
See what else Daly had to say about Obama in this MUST watch video:
http://americanoverlook.com/video-irish-lawma...
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WMCOL wrote:
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Tamara, you need to quit. Social Security and Medicare will still be paid even if Republicans force a shutdown.


If youíre broke and have maxed out all of your credit cards, do you make major cuts in your expenses or do you ask your credit card companies to increase your credit limits and continue living beyond your means going further into debt?
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WMCOL wrote:
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Tamara, you need to quit. Social Security and Medicare will still be paid even if Republicans force a shutdown.


If Dems want to shutdown the government go ahead but...

Remember what happened in 2010 because you tried it, goodbye House when you said it can't be done.
How'd that work out? lol

Could be the Senate in 2014... just saying.

The GOP funded the government friday before quittin' time... Obama should've had John over for a beer for a job well done.

It is Obama's choice to shut it down now... in case you missed the news.
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Warmonger Kerry is trying to prevent the Venezuelan foriegn minister from coming to the UN general assembly.

You are going to see hate from the diplomats towards the US/France/UK warmongers. Stay Tuned.
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The Obama/Job connection...
The Federal Government makes its money from taxes.

They say that Obama has never raised taxes on anyone but that would be false.

The Feds start regulating an item and make more in tax revenue and cost American Jobs.

Example:
The Fed starts a fight with "High fructose corn syrup". They come out with a dozen studies overnight that claim HFCS is more harmful than sugar. They add thousands of pages of new regulations to the HFCS industry. The prices go way up on the manufacturing of HFCS. The companies lay off employees to combat the new regulatory overhead.

As the price of HFCS adds to the cost of many goods, the Government now receives more tax revenue on these HFCS products.
[Soda- if it cost $1 per soda, the government might get 8 cents. When that soda now cost $1.50, the government now gets 12 cents = 50% tax increase on that item, hello!]

Then the American people find out that ALL the studies that show problems with HFCS, actually came from the sugar industry and not government studies.

The bottom line -
*HFCS industry loses jobs.
*Consumers pay more for a perfectly safe product.
*Government added tax revenue to their pockets.
*Most Americans Clueless as to how Obama Policies Fleece their pockets.
Wake-Up Sleepy Heads, Time to get up and pay attention, duh... lol.
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Some Simple Solutions to Fix America...
And for all you liberals crying, whining and moaning about how hopeless everything is, why don't you concentrate on SOLUTIONS?
ONE term limit for Washington politicians - Potus on down
*Stop nation building in the Middle East and reacess all aid funding
*Single item legislation ONLY - work everyday and get it done
*Eliminate the IRS Ė Fair Tax for All
*Harvest Americaís vast natural resources
*Dramatic Immigration reform - no benefits for illegals OR their families - work permits only with heavy fines - no citizenship to border jumpers
*Slightly Downsize the Military & Greatly Downsize Federal Government
*Extensive tort reform with an emphasis on health care
*Community service required for all Government Assistant Benefits
*Balanced Budget Amendment with Date Certain Due
*Taxes instead of jail time for drug offenses only with no other felonies
(could cut prison population in half, research it)
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Political reform idea #1 - ONE term limits
Washington is centered around getting power and keeping it. Politicians spend much of their time preparing for the next election. This is fundamentally wrong. It should be an honor to SERVE the American people. Term limits would guarantee an influx of NEW ideas and better represent the people instead of the corporations. The fat cat career politician power base that is currently grid locking legislation would be destroyed.

Political reform idea #2 - stop nation building in the Middle East
History shows that Muslim nations will never be allies to America. To contain them, a unified global approach is needed. If the USA goes at it alone, it will only destroy the American economy.

Political reform idea #3 - single item legislation ONLY
Only one idea can be voted on. This means NO MORE EARMARKS. This means NO 2000 page bills no one understands filled with hidden provisions. The American people are tired of being compromised. The government is supposed to serve the people, not cheat and deceive them.

Political reform idea #4 - Eliminate the IRS
Go to the FairTax.
This does not hurt the poor as liberal wackos that donít understand the plan claim.
It encourages saving & investment and lets people keep their entire paychecks.
More importantly, it puts the PEOPLE in control of how much taxes they wish to pay.

Political reform idea #5 - Harvest Americaís vast natural resources
America still has untapped oil, natural gas, shale coal, solar and wind resources.
In todayís energy environment, it is impossible to argue against the harvesting of these resources. Itís a marriage of logic and necessity. America needs domestic jobs and America needs energy. It makes perfect sense. Drill baby, drill. The Sierra Club is just going to have to shut up on this one.

Political reform idea #6
NO benefits for illegal immigrants OR their families
Illegals can work here but will NEVER receive SS, Medicare or Medicaid.
Any health, education or nutritional entitlements they receive must come through charity.
Liberals can donate as much of their personal funds as they wish.
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Political reform idea #7 - Slightly Downsize the Military and Massively Downsize the Federal Government
The Government was originally designed simply to oversee the states. The recent explosion in the size accomplishes only one thing Ė increases power for corrupt career politicians over the common citizen. Just as monopolies are not allowed in the private sector, a bloated fat Federal Government cannot operate efficiently.

Political reform idea #8 - Extensive tort reform
Today itís the lawyers who hold the power over American citizens. Frivolous and harassing legal action takes away our Constitution rights. Lawyers do not represent the rights of the common people any more, instead they support big money interests. Changing to a loser-pays benefit Ė capped, low appeal system would take away the power of legal terrorism.

Political reform idea #9 - Community service or mentoring be Required for all Government Assistance Benefits
Gives recipients a sense of dignity and builds exceptional character. People help other people builds a nation.

Political reform idea #10 - End Obamacare
The worst bill in human history that no one ever read combined with the worst court decision in history. History proves clearly that big Government interference into private sectors matters will destroy the quality of care available. Let the private sector offer choices.

Political reform idea #11 - Fees replace jail time for drug offenses
Makes Money instead of cost money

Political reform idea #12 - Balenced budget amendment
All Government funded by a percentage of revenues for example -
Military gets 23.2817 % percent of Government revenues. A fixed percentage, NOT a fixed amount.

Political reform idea #13 Random Drug testing...
for all menbers Congress - Information becomes public knowledge - No hidden results
If America can test ball players, flight controllers and military, then itís nationís leaders as well.
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Packing Heat wrote:
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If Dems want to shutdown the government go ahead but...
Remember what happened in 2010 because you tried it, goodbye House when you said it can't be done.
How'd that work out? lol
Could be the Senate in 2014... just saying.
The GOP funded the government friday before quittin' time... Obama should've had John over for a beer for a job well done.
It is Obama's choice to shut it down now... in case you missed the news.
If either party does not get what they want talk about shutting the government starts in. Then the threat no payment to So. Security and Medicare and therefore the senior citizen is heal hostage. Now if Obamacare stands what is going to keep it safe from threats of no payments if the parties can't agree to settle the budget?
Just a thought and just asking.
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TAMARA,
Here's the truth about a government "shutdown." The government doesn't shut down. So if this dysfunctional Washington can't find a way to pass a funding bill before the new budget year begins on Oct. 1st. Social Security checks will still go out. Troops will remain at their posts. Doctors and hospitals will get their Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. In fact, virtually every essential government agency, like the FBI, the Border Patrol and the Coast Guard, will remain open. Furloughed federal workers probably would get paid, eventually. Transportation Security Administration officers would continue to man airport checkpoints.

The rules for who works and who doesn't date back to the early 1980s and haven't been significantly modified since. The Obama administration re-issued the guidance on Wednesday.

The air traffic control system, food inspection, Medicare, veterans' health care and many other essential government programs would run as usual. The Social Security Administration would not only send out benefits but would continue to take applications. The Postal Service, which is self-funded, would keep delivering the mail. The Federal Emergency Management Agency could continue to respond to disasters at the height of hurricane season.

The Washington Monument would be closed. But it's been closed anyway since an earthquake in 2011. Museums along the National Mall would close, too. National parks would be closed to visitors, a loss often emphasized in shutdown discussions. The Capitol would remain open, however. Congress is deemed essential, despite its abysmal poll ratings.

From a practical perspective, shutdowns usually aren't that big a deal. They happened every year when Jimmy Carter was president, averaging 11 days each. During President Reagan's two terms, there were six shutdowns, typically just one or two days apiece. Deals got cut. Everybody moved on. In 1995-96, however, shutdowns morphed into political warfare, Republicans used them to drag Clinton to the negotiating table on a balanced budget plan. Americans suffered relatively minor inconveniences like closed parks and delays in processing passport applications. Some 2,400 workers cleaning up toxic waste sites were sent home, and there were short delays in processing veterans' claims.

Then there's Social Security. Current beneficiaries need not worry; their payments wouldn't be affected. And given the most recent precedent from the Clinton administration, those eligible to apply for benefits would be able to do so. During the first shutdown in 1995, the Social Security Administration initially furloughed 93 percent of its workers and stopped enrolling new beneficiaries. But it reversed course in the second shutdown and kept 50,000 additional workers on the job.

A funding lapse, or shutdown, involves the authority to spend new money.

A default would occur "ONLY" if the government is no longer able to borrow and has run out of cash to pay all the bills coming due. Then, the government has to rely on cash coming in to pay whatever bills it can. Earlier this year the GOP-controlled House passed legislation requiring Treasury to "prioritize" its obligations to pay interest payments and Social Security benefits first if there's not enough cash to pay all the bills so when you hear Obama spewing his political nonsense about Social Security, he is only showing his stupidity and nothing more. Social Security will be paid, no ifs, ans or buts about it.

Ironically, in a default scenario, more federal employees could report to work than if there's a funding lapse. They just couldn't get paid on time.
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It's the Gerbil Chester! Let Him Out!
He's got you all work up into a wet dream Chester,
cut back on the oil on those Hairless Gerbil
and have your boyfriend put a leash on it to pull it out.
You're an amazing one.
Such skill with the cut and paste
and such fabulous fantasies about having
$26M while continuing to live in little ole
Langley.

How did you acquire such a working knowledge of
Gerbil sex. Normal conversation in normal bars
doesn't cover subjects that you know.

Do you wear rainbow colored underwear to the bars
you visit.
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WarForOil wrote:
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You're an amazing one.
Take your meds Chester! Your meds should help you get a grip, just saying. Being the forum assclown fits you well, Chester. Anyone that takes a self righteous @sshole bumping, sh!t for brains, like you seriously would be as delusional as you are inbred, so run along while the grown-ups talk.
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Packing Heat wrote:
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Anyone that takes a self righteous @sshole bumping, sh!t for brains, like you seriously would be as delusional as you are inbred, so run along while the grown-ups talk.
Where's the love.
You've turned so profane and hateful.

How did you acquire such a working knowledge of
Gerbil sex. Normal conversation in normal bars
doesn't cover subjects that you know.
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Ok Karen, here are my opinions Thanks for the link... great read.

1. The shrinking of the middle class is not a failure of capitalism.

"I agree with that statement."

2. Itís a failure of government.

"I disagree with this comment and here is why... it is not and should not be within the Governments Authority to decide who is high class, middle class and poor class or the pay scales of any privately owned business anywhere in the United States of a America, period! EVER!"

3. Capitalism has been doing exactly what it was designed to do: concentrating wealth in the ownership class...

"As well as the risk of Loss from the Cash Capital said ownership rightfully earned and wholly owned in which they invested with expectation of a profit determined only by what the efforts the ownership decides. Absolutely no one else's damn business. Said business pays the taxes and retains all rights to said Capital, period. None of Government, Union or employee's Damn Business. This is not a Communist Country... YET."

4. Thatís the natural drift of the relationship between capital and labor, and it can only be arrested by an activist government that chooses to step in as a referee.

"Arrested on what Charge? Failure to hand over all profits beyond what Activist Government deems appropiate?"

"What Law dictates a Referee is required concerning the profits earned from my working Capital and how they are to be dispensed?"
Make these answers good Karen... make me believe you because right now, I'm not remotely convinced and I'm trying to be."

5. The organizing victories that founded the modern union movement were made possible by the National Labor Relations Act, a piece of New Deal legislation guaranteeing workers the right to bargain collectively.

"Really... how's that working out now?"

6. The plotters of the 1936-37 Flint Sit Down Strike, which gave birth to the United Auto Workers, tried to time their action to coincide with the inauguration of Frank Murphy, Michiganís newly elected New Deal governor. Murphy dispatched the National Guard to Flint, but instead of ordering his guardsmen to throw the workers out of the plants, as he legally could have done, he ordered them to ensure the workers remained safely inside.

"Owners at Flint should have reached over and turned the lights out and called it a day until the property was cleared of all the trespassers. Can you imagine if Ronald Reagan been there. Was 12 or 15 Thousand instantly unemployed? Anyway, more tan a few."

7. The strike resulted in a nickel an hour raise and an end to arbitrary firings.

"A Whole Nickle? But did it end lay-off's?"

8. It guaranteed the success of the UAW, whose high wages and benefits set the standard for American workers for the next 45 years.

"And now it is doing what going forward to the next 45 years? hint hint... look at Unions now and compare them to then, lol.
How is it really working out in the long run say... 45 years? Does Wisconsin ring a bell? Maybe the name Scott Walker?"

I agree it is a great article to read and raises some really could questions for debate but... my opinion is final say on all matters should always be ownerships right ONLY! America has alway been and should always remain free of Activist Governing.
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ChesterForOil wrote:
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Where's the love.
You've turned so profane and hateful.
How did you acquire such a working knowledge of
Gerbil sex. Normal conversation in normal bars
doesn't cover subjects that you know.


Take your meds Chester! Your meds should help you get a grip, just saying. Being the forum clown fits you well, Chester. Anyone that takes a self righteous @sshole bumping, sh!t for brains, like you seriously would be as delusional as you are inbred, so run along while the grown-ups talk. Your inabilility to comprehend does not constitute an emergency on my part, I'll get back to you when I want to. Bye Chester.
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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>If either party does not get what they want talk about shutting the government starts in. Then the threat no payment to So. Security and Medicare and therefore the senior citizen is heal hostage.

Now if Obamacare stands what is going to keep it safe from threats of no payments if the parties can't agree to settle the budget?
Just a thought and just asking.


Nothing keeps it from threats and in fact... that is what this is all about, A Political POWER GRAB!

It is a Political Power Grab by the Progressives to try and use as a Whipping Tool to keep their followers in line as well as force more onto the Government Plantation.

Less Quality Care overseen by Government Hacks and used as weapon against the very people it is supposed to help.

To add insult to injury, the American People are now forced at the barrel of the Government Gun (IRS) to pay a higher premiums to a private company for it whether they like it or not or want it or not.

Same thing happens with Obamacare as happens with Social Secuirty and Medicare Premiums paid for by the People now. When they get more than it is costing them at any given moment, they will steal just like they do Social Security. They put the Fund in the General Fund Cash Box, not a lock box. They can't spend from a lock box and therefore, why be a politician if you can't waste the taxpayers money, see.

If a Private Company did like the Politicians do, the Company would be shut down and it owners put in prison, simple as that!
That is why I tell you, Government is not the solution...
Government is the PROBLEM!
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Packing Heat wrote:
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Nothing keeps it from threats and in fact... that is what this is all about, A Political POWER GRAB!
It is a Political Power Grab by the Progressives to try and use as a Whipping Tool to keep their followers in line as well as force more onto the Government Plantation.
Less Quality Care overseen by Government Hacks and used as weapon against the very people it is supposed to help.
To add insult to injury, the American People are now forced at the barrel of the Government Gun (IRS) to pay a higher premiums to a private company for it whether they like it or not or want it or not.
Same thing happens with Obamacare as happens with Social Secuirty and Medicare Premiums paid for by the People now. When they get more than it is costing them at any given moment, they will steal just like they do Social Security. They put the Fund in the General Fund Cash Box, not a lock box. They can't spend from a lock box and therefore, why be a politician if you can't waste the taxpayers money, see.
If a Private Company did like the Politicians do, the Company would be shut down and it owners put in prison, simple as that!
That is why I tell you, Government is not the solution...
Government is the PROBLEM!
This what I was thinking and Obamacare will be open to the same threats as Social Security and Medicare. The only thing like Medicare I do not think Obamacare will ever see a surplus. If the government runs Obamacare like the ran the government's budget it will never be in the black.

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