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TAMARA

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What is everyones take on miniumum wages being raised. I have mixed feelings about this in regards to the economy. This may hit small businesses hard and might have to let people go and/or also raise prices if it is in the business of selling products of any kind. Then if it is a business with 50 or more employees and having to pick up the total amount of employees health care cost and the raising of pay per hour that business may have to lay off employees and/or charge more for their products. And who gets hit hard by this is the consumers.

There was a man being interviewed on TV about earning miniumum wage and that it was impossible to raise 3 kids on miniumum wage. So know that you are in the low income bracket why the heck do these people have so many kids?
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TAMARA wrote:
What is everyones take on miniumum wages being raised. I have mixed feelings about this in regards to the economy. This may hit small businesses hard and might have to let people go and/or also raise prices if it is in the business of selling products of any kind. Then if it is a business with 50 or more employees and having to pick up the total amount of employees health care cost and the raising of pay per hour that business may have to lay off employees and/or charge more for their products. And who gets hit hard by this is the consumers.
There was a man being interviewed on TV about earning miniumum wage and that it was impossible to raise 3 kids on miniumum wage. So know that you are in the low income bracket why the heck do these people have so many kids?


In some cases it is cheaper in the long run to automate where possible and get rid of the cheap unskilled labor and related cost - higher wages, mandatory healthcare etc. My grandfather is working with a group now to help some companies relocate overseas. I think if the law was passed it would hurt to unskilled laborers. Of course I doubt they can pass it will the gridlock in Washington. Time will tell what if anything they can pass.
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Funny AsHell wrote:
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In some cases it is cheaper in the long run to automate where possible and get rid of the cheap unskilled labor and related cost - higher wages, mandatory healthcare etc. My grandfather is working with a group now to help some companies relocate overseas. I think if the law was passed it would hurt to unskilled laborers. Of course I doubt they can pass it will the gridlock in Washington. Time will tell what if anything they can pass.
I know the people working for $7.25 an hour is excited about the thought of making $9 an hour. But what majority of people do not realize is we will see people laid off, or hours cut and the price of a majority of things will go up. So the pay scale raise will be eaten up by many things. Then the people that pay scale stays the same will also be paying more because of higher prices. So about the only that changes is people get to say I now am making $9 an hour instead of $7.25.

But what gets me is like the man this reporter was talking about what he thought of prospect of making $9 an hour said he thought it was a good deal for him because he could not support his family which is him, a wife and 3 kids. But if you can not and know you can not support have so many kids then why do these people have so many. Yes I do know accidents can happen but I am sorry him and people like him really should not be my problem. But those people seem to make it my problem along with the majority of this country's problem.

Now for people that are pist at this country and just wants to up and leave that is their business. But not everyone can do that or want to do that. If my whole family could not go then I could not go. It is like one day sometime back the area I lived in was having a lot of tornadoes popping up and down. My neighbor had an in ground storm cellar and wanted me to go down with them. But when I realize there was no way I could get my 2 very large dogs down there I could not go and leave them behind. So I did not go to the storm cellar. A tornado missed my house by 1/4 of a mile. I feel also it is my duty to stay and do the best to make things right for this country even if my effort is small in comparison to others.
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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I know the people working for $7.25 an hour is excited about the thought of making $9 an hour. But what majority of people do not realize is we will see people laid off, or hours cut and the price of a majority of things will go up. So the pay scale raise will be eaten up by many things. Then the people that pay scale stays the same will also be paying more because of higher prices. So about the only that changes is people get to say I now am making $9 an hour instead of $7.25.
But what gets me is like the man this reporter was talking about what he thought of prospect of making $9 an hour said he thought it was a good deal for him because he could not support his family which is him, a wife and 3 kids. But if you can not and know you can not support have so many kids then why do these people have so many. Yes I do know accidents can happen but I am sorry him and people like him really should not be my problem. But those people seem to make it my problem along with the majority of this country's problem.
Now for people that are pist at this country and just wants to up and leave that is their business. But not everyone can do that or want to do that. If my whole family could not go then I could not go. It is like one day sometime back the area I lived in was having a lot of tornadoes popping up and down. My neighbor had an in ground storm cellar and wanted me to go down with them. But when I realize there was no way I could get my 2 very large dogs down there I could not go and leave them behind. So I did not go to the storm cellar. A tornado missed my house by 1/4 of a mile. I feel also it is my duty to stay and do the best to make things right for this country even if my effort is small in comparison to others.
yeah,$9 dollars and hour sounds great until you realize the cost of an employee raises the overhead operation cost of a company and "wallah" major price increases are headed down the pike for the american consumer. There will also be layoffs because small business cannot afford to pay higher cost in payroll.
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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I know the people working for $7.25 an hour is excited about the thought of making $9 an hour. But what majority of people do not realize is we will see people laid off, or hours cut and the price of a majority of things will go up. So the pay scale raise will be eaten up by many things. Then the people that pay scale stays the same will also be paying more because of higher prices. So about the only that changes is people get to say I now am making $9 an hour instead of $7.25.
But what gets me is like the man this reporter was talking about what he thought of prospect of making $9 an hour said he thought it was a good deal for him because he could not support his family which is him, a wife and 3 kids. But if you can not and know you can not support have so many kids then why do these people have so many. Yes I do know accidents can happen but I am sorry him and people like him really should not be my problem. But those people seem to make it my problem along with the majority of this country's problem.
Now for people that are pist at this country and just wants to up and leave that is their business. But not everyone can do that or want to do that. If my whole family could not go then I could not go. It is like one day sometime back the area I lived in was having a lot of tornadoes popping up and down. My neighbor had an in ground storm cellar and wanted me to go down with them. But when I realize there was no way I could get my 2 very large dogs down there I could not go and leave them behind. So I did not go to the storm cellar. A tornado missed my house by 1/4 of a mile. I feel also it is my duty to stay and do the best to make things right for this country even if my effort is small in comparison to others.
sounds like you been watching the zeitgeist.
TAMARA

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Dano wrote:
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yeah,$9 dollars and hour sounds great until you realize the cost of an employee raises the overhead operation cost of a company and "wallah" major price increases are headed down the pike for the american consumer. There will also be layoffs because small business cannot afford to pay higher cost in payroll.
For many they don't look beyond was making $7.25 an hour to $9 a hour. Which in itself alone that sounds good. They don't stop to think how this will effect employers and into it goes on down the line where actually no one will be doing any better and might even be doing worse.
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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>For many they don't look beyond was making $7.25 an hour to $9 a hour. Which in itself alone that sounds good. They don't stop to think how this will effect employers and into it goes on down the line where actually no one will be doing any better and might even be doing worse.
Thats preposterous, same as saying 7 is more than 9 and you better believe me because thats how i see things.
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Delbert McFarland wrote:
<quoted text>Thats preposterous, same as saying 7 is more than 9 and you better believe me because thats how i see things.
So If if you are saying 9 will be better than 7 coming in will 9 still be better that 7 when you could buy something for 7 and now it cost 9 because the price of things went up because it cost the employers more to pay wages so the pass this higher expense onto the retail market.
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Delbert McFarland wrote:
<quoted text>Thats preposterous, same as saying 7 is more than 9 and you better believe me because thats how i see things.
Yeah and free government cell phones don't cost anything except to the American Taxpayer! Free/reduced housing isn't free either the taxpayer is funding all these government giveaways which BUY YOUR VOTE!

If you can figure out that 9 is higher than 7 then work your small brain a little harder and figure out if cell phones,housing, government subsidized programs are free/reduced then WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM TO PAY FOR CELL PHONES,HOUSING,GOVERMENT SUBSIZED PROGRAMS?

All these freebie programs is sucking the blood out of the american producer,the american worker and it hurts the elderly retired person the most!
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You people are crazy--I love Obamacare instead of Bushdon'tcare.
Dano

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Tell us how much you love obamacare after all the regulations kick in and the full effects of this "change" are felt! Like in late 2014, right now you're all aglow with the Obama re-election and all the free giveaways but your world is changing and free isn't free and america is in decline the money will dry up and poverty will grow. It's already grown on a level never seen since the great depression!
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Why don't you support our current commander and chief? After all he just afforded himself two pro golf trainers to give him private lessons and only cost the travel and $1000.00 dollars an hour for their instruction.

Hey, Obama supporters have you noticed the INCREASE cost of groceries,utilities and fuel or healthcare premiums for the rest of America? You know the ones you have taxed to death for a generation,you know the ones who won WWII for the world?

Oh that's right Obama's groceries,utilities,fuel and more perks than I have time to type, are all FREE from the pockets of the American Taxpayer. Obama wanted another pay increase for federal workers too. Does he have a clue what's REALLY GOING ON IN AMERICA?
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Hello TAMARA and MistyGirl. First I want to thank you both for your kind words. Second I would like to say that I too enjoyed our conversations we had in the past. Unfortunately time doesn’t permit me to sit at the computer like before. Currently I am exploring the idea of leaving the country but nothing definite just yet. I decided to move to the lake full time and glad I did. All the problems of city life are non-existent here on the lake. I have noticed since my grandson has moved in with me, we have rather large influx of young pretty girls running around the house. As you can imagine this has caused this old mans heart rate to increase a few notches, lol.

Anyway hope all is well your way and maybe we can get together here again soon. Until then, best wishes your way.

Best Regards,
Packing Heat
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Just because that would be your choice of entertainment doesn't mean others share your view!
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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>So If if you are saying 9 will be better than 7 coming in will 9 still be better that 7 when you could buy something for 7 and now it cost 9 because the price of things went up because it cost the employers more to pay wages so the pass this higher expense onto the retail market.
Its also a money managment problem. So more money will not always help.
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<quoted text>Its also a money managment problem. So more money will not always help.
I understand that. Human nature is the more money one gets the more they spend and usually on things not important. I will be willing to bet if the increase in minimum wage is actually increased that not one dime goes to them paying for health care. The government which is the tax payers will still be paying for that. Not one dime will go to improve their education nor their kids. But all of these people that are working for low income are not doing without the high dollar cell phones and plans. Like minimum wages go up so will the cost of everything we buy.
Packing Heat

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The people working minimum wage jobs that are young and uneducated should expect to have to learn a skill and work their way up if they want to earn more money.

If you are uneducated then there are many opportunities to make more money. If you can't make money using your mind you can still make more using your labor. Simple construction, labor, roofing, welding, all pay above minimum wage. The only requirements to get into such is a willing to work and put in a solid days labor.

If your making minimum wage and not a teenager, you only have yourself to blame. Raise the bar for yourself, don't expect the world to lower it for you.

Fact...most minimum wage jobs are held by High School and College kids as a starting point to earn extra money and gain experience in the business world.

Fact...many people do move on to better paying jobs, if they have the drive to better themselves. Many of the minimum wage earners stay at minimum wage and move from job to job. Most of those people have a hard time grooming and dressing themselves, never mind try to be a productive employee.

Fact...when minimum wage goes up, so do prices. The employer can not absorb the increase, it will be passed on to the consumer. Who really gets hurt? Middle income America because they won't see any increase in pay.

Fact...Most employees over the minimum wage rate will want a raise because they feel they are getting the short end of the stick. More importantly, the good employee is ticked because a lazy liberal employee just received a pay increase without earning it.

Fact...It kills the small business owner because labor, even though it is minimum wage, is between 20%-28% of their cost. Go talk to small business owners and see what they tell you. So again, raise the bar for yourself, don't expect the world to lower it for you.
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Obey the law of the land and quit your bitching.
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Homer wrote:
Obey the law of the land and quit your bitching.


Obey the law of the land and quit your bitching? Are you serious? While I agree with “obey the law of the land“, I disagree with “quit your bitching”, even for liberal retards that are always wrong on all issues. Since bitching is the only way they have to express an opinion when they’re always wrong, it’s always good to know where the enemy of America stands on all issues. Law of the land concerning “bitching” is as follows:

“The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.”

Lead by example with your own advice! Obey the law of the land!
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Packing Heat wrote:
The people working minimum wage jobs that are young and uneducated should expect to have to learn a skill and work their way up if they want to earn more money.
If you are uneducated then there are many opportunities to make more money. If you can't make money using your mind you can still make more using your labor. Simple construction, labor, roofing, welding, all pay above minimum wage. The only requirements to get into such is a willing to work and put in a solid days labor.
If your making minimum wage and not a teenager, you only have yourself to blame. Raise the bar for yourself, don't expect the world to lower it for you.
Fact...most minimum wage jobs are held by High School and College kids as a starting point to earn extra money and gain experience in the business world.
Fact...many people do move on to better paying jobs, if they have the drive to better themselves. Many of the minimum wage earners stay at minimum wage and move from job to job. Most of those people have a hard time grooming and dressing themselves, never mind try to be a productive employee.
Fact...when minimum wage goes up, so do prices. The employer can not absorb the increase, it will be passed on to the consumer. Who really gets hurt? Middle income America because they won't see any increase in pay.
Fact...Most employees over the minimum wage rate will want a raise because they feel they are getting the short end of the stick. More importantly, the good employee is ticked because a lazy liberal employee just received a pay increase without earning it.
Fact...It kills the small business owner because labor, even though it is minimum wage, is between 20%-28% of their cost. Go talk to small business owners and see what they tell you. So again, raise the bar for yourself, don't expect the world to lower it for you.
Better yourself and your enviroment the "old fashion" way and EARN it! Read your grandson post the other day and it caught my attention because the young man made sense! Refreshing to see some of our youth isn't brainwashed into believing the world owes them a FREE cell phone,education,housing,and healthcare because they have a beating heart and still breathing. Where is the integrity,drive to achieve and be exceptional? Where is the initative to carve out your dreams and create the type of future you want for yourself?

Anyway, good to see you're still kicking and I was happy you decided to make this area your favorite spot. I agree big city life isn't appealing! Best regards to you and your family. Have a wonderful weekend on the lake!

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