OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

[DistinctlyOK]

School wrote:

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You could heat a home the entire winter from all the HOT air you blow!

While the information he presents is correctly inferred, he fails to correlate it to gun control, mainly because even he knows how idiotic that argument is. Frankly, there is absolutely no reason to ban citizen arms (other than one's absolute acceptance of a liberal bias). Yes, there are accessories to guns that should inherently be banned (like double drums, Jesus Christ). There are some styles of guns that should be limited to licensed personnel (M16 home defense, my ass). Still, banning firearms in entirety is a terrible idea for a nation that openly trades and stars all sorts of import mechanisms in different shapes and sizes. You literally cannot prevent guns from existing in the United States. Banning them just makes the issue worse.

Saying "Guns won't help you when you run out of air" is an incredibly asinine thing to say. You *do* realize that we have space startups such as Planetary Resources cropping up with plans to activate as early as 2015 for corporatized space travel, correct? You *do* realize that SpaceX plans to put teams on Mars for base terraforming prep and scientific research as early as 2021, correct? Asteroid mining and jet-engine-to-spacecraft blueprints are stacked directly on NASA's blueprints for singularity-powered FTL travel. Claiming we're going to run out of air is a trumpeted ode to your colossal dearth of intellect, friend.

[Elohimsokie]

DistinctlyOK wrote:

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While the information he presents is correctly inferred, he fails to correlate it to gun control, mainly because even he knows how idiotic that argument is. Frankly, there is absolutely no reason to ban citizen arms (other than one's absolute acceptance of a liberal bias). Yes, there are accessories to guns that should inherently be banned (like double drums, Jesus Christ). There are some styles of guns that should be limited to licensed personnel (M16 home defense, my ass). Still, banning firearms in entirety is a terrible idea for a nation that openly trades and stars all sorts of import mechanisms in different shapes and sizes. You literally cannot prevent guns from existing in the United States. Banning them just makes the issue worse.
Saying "Guns won't help you when you run out of air" is an incredibly asinine thing to say. You *do* realize that we have space startups such as Planetary Resources cropping up with plans to activate as early as 2015 for corporatized space travel, correct? You *do* realize that SpaceX plans to put teams on Mars for base terraforming prep and scientific research as early as 2021, correct? Asteroid mining and jet-engine-to-spacecraft blueprints are stacked directly on NASA's blueprints for singularity-powered FTL travel. Claiming we're going to run out of air is a trumpeted ode to your colossal dearth of intellect, friend.

The gov. has no right telling us what kind of gun to own.

[DistinctlyOK]

Elohimsokie wrote:

<quoted text>The gov. has no right telling us what kind of gun to own.

No, the government really does.

It's all about education. When you give trained members of an organization firearms, they are likely to use them only when necessary. All it takes to convince a standard person to use a gun irresponsibly is a bad day and firearm availability. It psychologically compounds as a temptation with added firearm customization, the same way that custom vehicle modifications psychologically create more agressive drivers. After multiple studies were conducted, researchers found a direct corellation between modification and abuse. People start to see their modified goods as an extension of themselves. Pair that with the presence of fatality and you have a terrible blend of human angst and killing ability.

Home defense? I'm all for it. I love the "Make My Day" laws. I'm a large supporter of armed guards in schools and other agoras.

Flash suppressants and shaved pins? Screw that.

[Elohimsokie]

Gov.
tells us to buy health insurance.
tells us how much taxes to pay.
tells us what to eat and drink.
tells us what kind of litebulb to use
tells us where to hunt & fish
tells us lies all time
tells us we'r terriost
tells us there is fiscal cliff
We need to them to get out of our lives.

[DistinctlyOK]

Elohimsokie wrote:

Gov.
tells us to buy health insurance.
tells us how much taxes to pay.
tells us what to eat and drink.
tells us what kind of litebulb to use
tells us where to hunt & fish
tells us lies all time
tells us we'r terriost
tells us there is fiscal cliff
We need to them to get out of our lives.

Well, they DO definitely fit most of this description with false accusations. Some of these, I agree with. Others, I do not.

[TAMARA]

Our government has to set in place laws for everyone. But what they need to learn to do is to learn to know what laws to implement without going to far. But on the other hand if everyone did what they are suppose to do then maybe the government would have to over step to much in our citizens lives.

[TAMARA]

Sorry I left something out. It should be 'would not' instead of just 'would'.

[DistinctlyOK]

TAMARA wrote:

Our government has to set in place laws for everyone. But what they need to learn to do is to learn to know what laws to implement without going to far. But on the other hand if everyone did what they are suppose to do then maybe the government would have to over step to much in our citizens lives.

Unfortunately, that is an impossibility for human societies.

[DustyOutlaw]

Elohimsokie wrote:

Gov.
tells us to buy health insurance.
tells us how much taxes to pay.
tells us what to eat and drink.
tells us what kind of litebulb to use
tells us where to hunt & fish
tells us lies all time
tells us we'r terriost
tells us there is fiscal cliff
We need to them to get out of our lives.

Since 2/3rds of American adults are obese and 1/3rd of children obviously a whole lot of people are not listening to the govt about what to eat. Did the govt not tell you that light bulb is two words and not spelled lite?

[WarforOil]

DustyOutlaw wrote:

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Did the govt not tell you that light bulb is two words and not spelled lite?

Filthy Criminal,

In America, one can spell things pretty much as one pleases.
That's why OG&E ( Okieland Gas and Electric ) hasn't had any gas since 1928 and it's OK in OK.

Thank Godd, the rest of the cuntry ain't Okieland.

[TAMARA]

DistinctlyOK wrote:

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Unfortunately, that is an impossibility for human societies.

I realize that!

[DistinctlyOK]

DustyOutlaw wrote:

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Since 2/3rds of American adults are obese and 1/3rd of children obviously a whole lot of people are not listening to the govt about what to eat. Did the govt not tell you that light bulb is two words and not spelled lite?

*clears throat*

...lightbulb would have been an acceptible contraction.

Also, I think this discussion is filtered out into groups that either do or do not have faith in the perfection of society. Would you agree to that?

[TAMARA]

There is not a perfect society nor will there evere be! You would have to have perfect people and that is not happening!

[DistinctlyOK]

TAMARA wrote:

There is not a perfect society nor will there evere be! You would have to have perfect people and that is not happening!

...thus my position. You allow the people to have access to limited arms literally on principle. You allow them to have protectionism *not* against government tyranny, but the tyranny of evil men. The basic citizen is a first-response system against MS13 and the common cold killer. I'm sure you understand that as well, on principle of your tone.

Of course, that's not to say I wouldn't be opposed to a society without bump-firing stocks and double-drum M16s.

[WarForOil]

DistinctlyOK wrote:

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I think this discussion is filtered out into groups that either do or do not have faith in the perfection of society.

That's a hoot. Someone from Okieland ( bottom of all state lists )
talkin' of that there perfect society. Gotta admire the hubris
( and ignorance ).

[DistinctlyOK]

WarForOil wrote:

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That's a hoot. Someone from Okieland ( bottom of all state lists )
talkin' of that there perfect society. Gotta admire the hubris
( and ignorance ).

I don't believe in a perfect society, but a perfect society is the basis for which a pure democratic functions. That's basic foundational stuff.

Call me out where you can, but this whole federalized system of affairs irks me. I don't believe that people should put their lives in the hand of a system driven by professional integrity, albeit a corporation or a governing body. With the federal healthcare system, you're putting your health and wellness in the care of both.

[TAMARA]

SOCIAL SECURITY

is not part of the Federal Budget (General Fund). It is a separate account from the General Fund, and has its own source of income ("Payroll Tax"). Social Security payments go in the Social Security Trust Fund (SSTF), and should NOT be counted as general revenue. The SSTF is supposed to be used to pay benefits. But, the Government is under NO OBLIGATION to pay Social Security benefits, and has even borrowed substantially from the SSTF for general operations!

As of August 2010, there is less being paid into the Social Security Trust Fund than is being paid out to beneficiaries. Social Security is now using its "surplus".

Other Government agencies borrowed from that trust fund, and now have to pay it back. But they already spent it! So how will they pay it back? Through bailouts and taxes. Here is a "must read" about the problem. Your payroll taxes are going into a bottomless hole!

The Social Security Administration's FAQ page about the Trust Fund, and their latest Report (May 2011) explain it well.

Beware the term "Social Security Surplus"; there is no such thing. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme, there is never more in the Trust Fund than will ever be needed.

Here is a little info to how the government handles So. Security and then have the balls to threaten the senior citizens if they cannot agree on the budget. For the people HAHA!

Federal Budget Spendig, Deficits, the National Debit and Social Seurity
www.federalbudget.com

[Elohimsokie]

DustyOutlaw wrote:

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Since 2/3rds of American adults are obese and 1/3rd of children obviously a whole lot of people are not listening to the govt about what to eat. Did the govt not tell you that light bulb is two words and not spelled lite?

Hey puppet, if the gov. ever pulls its hand out of your a## you'll fall limp as a dish rag.

[WarForOil]

DistinctlyOK wrote:

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I don't believe in a perfect society, but a perfect society is the basis for which a pure democratic functions. That's basic foundational stuff.

You are blind to those around you.
Notice that most people shouldn't be allowed to drive
and certainly not vote. Democracy sucks.
It takes intelligent educated people to run a country,
enjoy Federalism. The politicians ain't bright but
they tower above the public.

[Elohimsokie]

Truth about Sandy Hook.... go to theintelhub.com