Who do you support for U.S. Senate in West Virginia in 2010?

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Hmmmm worth thinking about?

In 1789, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote to James Madison, often called the “Father of the Constitution,” stating that the Constitution was not perpetual and should be rewritten to serve future generations.

“The earth belongs always to the living generation,” Jefferson wrote.“They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please.…

Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
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(CBS News) Is the U.S. Constitution truly worthy of the reverence in which most Americans hold it? A view on that from Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University:

"I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution.
I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not. Constitutional disobedience is as American as apple pie.

For example, most of our greatest Presidents -- Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, and both Roosevelts -- had doubts about the Constitution, and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way.

To be clear, I don't think we should give up on everything in the Constitution. The Constitution has many important and inspiring provisions, but we should obey these because they are important and inspiring, not because a bunch of people who are now long-dead favored them two centuries ago….

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014...

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-b...

http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2013/0...
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<quoted text>Chicago's murder rate was lower in 2010 and 2011 than in 2009, who is the liar now?
Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
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Seen them. Back at youse with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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<quoted text>.
Deaths per year Item
3500 Swimming pools
800 Jet Skis, etc.
700 children Swimming pools
700 Recrational boats
392 ATV's,4 Wheelers
100 children ATV's,4 Wheelers
48 Assault weapons
Interesting to note that of all the things that could be banned to save lives, assault weapons would save the least and is also the only one that is Constitutionally protected. Nothing in the Constitution says they cant ban pools, jet skis, boats, 4 wheelers,etc.. Banning those 4 could save 5392 lives every year, compared with 48 for assault weapons. What is the real agenda? It is indisputable it isnt only saving lives. Wanting to ban the only one that is Consitutionally protected and that would save realitively speaking very few lives in comparisson proves this. I also find it morally repugnant that you use the horrific murder of these chidlren to push your communist nanny state agenda.
Every death you mentioned was due to accidents by people making personal choices. Except for assault weapons. No one came up to someone in a pool, their ATV or jet ski and shot them in the head. So far in just over a month since Newtown US gun deaths are almost 1300. I'm not against guns but I am against the ease with which people can get them. Just like a drivers license you should be able to show you have the minimum skill required to use a gun.
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Hmmmm worth thinking about?
In 1789, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote to James Madison, often called the “Father of the Constitution,” stating that the Constitution was not perpetual and should be rewritten to serve future generations.
“The earth belongs always to the living generation,” Jefferson wrote.“They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please.…
Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
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(CBS News) Is the U.S. Constitution truly worthy of the reverence in which most Americans hold it? A view on that from Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University:
"I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution.
I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not. Constitutional disobedience is as American as apple pie.
For example, most of our greatest Presidents -- Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, and both Roosevelts -- had doubts about the Constitution, and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way.
To be clear, I don't think we should give up on everything in the Constitution. The Constitution has many important and inspiring provisions, but we should obey these because they are important and inspiring, not because a bunch of people who are now long-dead favored them two centuries ago….
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014...
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-b...
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2013/0...
the forefathers were advocates of revolution (obviously haha)so it only makes sense that we revamp the constitution from time to time. the laws they made were never meant to outlive them. this is what they advised! why hasn't it been changed? I don't know..

My (20somethings) generation will write a new one with the coming revolution...it's our responsibility to do so

Jefferson quotes:

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed..."

we've been without revolution for too long, it's time for change!
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<quoted text> Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/p...

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<quoted text> Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
Isnt it convenient how you anti-gun people pick and choose your statistics to try and justify your point of view. I have already shown assault weapons kill very few compared to other guns and other freedoms we all enjoy.

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Every death you mentioned was due to accidents by people making personal choices. Except for assault weapons. No one came up to someone in a pool, their ATV or jet ski and shot them in the head. So far in just over a month since Newtown US gun deaths are almost 1300. I'm not against guns but I am against the ease with which people can get them. Just like a drivers license you should be able to show you have the minimum skill required to use a gun.
Many innocent people were killed on boats and jet skis not of their own choice or doing, but by some other idiot crashing into them. Is their death any less meaningful than someone killed by a gun? The point is we have freedoms, including boats, jet skis, AND guns. Those freedoms have consequences that are sometimes tragic, but that doesnt mean we give those freedoms away. There is no doubt banning boats and jet skis would save more innocent people from being killed by another than assault weapons.

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Absolutely amazing how many people are willing to throw out the Constitution because of a whim of the times or because there are parts of it they disagree with. The dead revolutionary war soldiers who died to give us that magnificent document are turning in their graves, as is the thousands of soldiers who have since died to protect it. The simple minded can not comprehend the importance so they casually dismiss it as outdated and unimportant. If there ever is a majority of the people who agree with that simple minded thinking that will mark the end of this once great country and the next civil war will begin.
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Absolutely amazing how many people are willing to throw out the Constitution because of a whim of the times or because there are parts of it they disagree with. The dead revolutionary war soldiers who died to give us that magnificent document are turning in their graves, as is the thousands of soldiers who have since died to protect it. The simple minded can not comprehend the importance so they casually dismiss it as outdated and unimportant. If there ever is a majority of the people who agree with that simple minded thinking that will mark the end of this once great country and the next civil war will begin.
Could it be they know this and that is why they want to disarm you? Once disarmed they can ignore the constitution and force their views on you.
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<quoted text>Many innocent people were killed on boats and jet skis not of their own choice or doing, but by some other idiot crashing into them. Is their death any less meaningful than someone killed by a gun? The point is we have freedoms, including boats, jet skis, AND guns. Those freedoms have consequences that are sometimes tragic, but that doesnt mean we give those freedoms away. There is no doubt banning boats and jet skis would save more innocent people from being killed by another than assault weapons.
Still my point is they chose to get on a boat, jet ski or other. And these 99% of the time are still accidents.They do not choose to be robbed, shot in a drive by, mugged, homes to be invaded, killed in a movie theater or school. The 2nd amendment says you have a right to bear arms as part a a "well regulated militia". Any militias we have today are not well regulated. Again I'm not against guns only those in the hands of people who have no idea how to use them, or those who should not have them at all. For me it's not even about the assault weapons. It's about the regulation of all weapons.

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Still my point is they chose to get on a boat, jet ski or other. And these 99% of the time are still accidents.They do not choose to be robbed, shot in a drive by, mugged, homes to be invaded, killed in a movie theater or school. The 2nd amendment says you have a right to bear arms as part a a "well regulated militia". Any militias we have today are not well regulated. Again I'm not against guns only those in the hands of people who have no idea how to use them, or those who should not have them at all. For me it's not even about the assault weapons. It's about the regulation of all weapons.
Your right to keep and bear arms is not dependant on either membership or participation in a militia. The opposite is true. The ability to create/call-up a well-regulated militia, this being necessary to the security of a free state, is dependant on your right to keep and bear arms. That is why it says 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'. It does not say the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; or the right of the militia to stockpile arms and train regularly with them shall not be infringed; or the the right of the state to keep a militia shall not be infringed, so that it may protect itself from the federal government. It says the right of the people shall not be infringed.
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<quoted text>Could it be they know this and that is why they want to disarm you? Once disarmed they can ignore the constitution and force their views on you.
I can't believe you people think your PUNY LEGAL POP GUNS worry the US army at all. Have you not been paying attention to the last 2 wars? Armed or disarmed really isn't a big deal. Now if they let you arm with heat seeking missiles or maybe some nuclear stuff then maybe you'd really worry the politicians.

Hey guess what -- I'm pissing on the Constitution as we speak and Tom. Jefferson is loving it and there isn't shit you can do about us millions of people that aren't fox bots.
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I can't believe you people think your PUNY LEGAL POP GUNS worry the US army at all. Have you not been paying attention to the last 2 wars? Armed or disarmed really isn't a big deal. Now if they let you arm with heat seeking missiles or maybe some nuclear stuff then maybe you'd really worry the politicians.
Hey guess what -- I'm pissing on the Constitution as we speak and Tom. Jefferson is loving it and there isn't shit you can do about us millions of people that aren't fox bots.
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You are a disgrace to America and should take your commie loving pansy a$$ to China where you belong. Gitmo has a place waiting for people like you. The army is made up of patriotic Americans, something you know nothing about. They would never wage war against their own citizen for defending the Constitution, although I am sure they would gladly wage war against the likes of you. I will keep my guns and not a damn thing you and your sissy boy friends can do about it. You seem mighty scared of those "pop guns". LOL You can piss on the Constitution all you want, it still controls and governs you whether you like it or not. BTW, without that document you would not be able to say the simple mined,anti-American nonsense that you spew. Thomas Jefferson thinks you are a disgrace and he warned us there would be scaredy little spineless cowards like you. Go back to your moms basement and cower in fear and pray the government protects you from your own shadow. God bless the US and the Constitution!!. Give me liberty or give me death!!:)

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I can't believe you people think your PUNY LEGAL POP GUNS worry the US army at all. Have you not been paying attention to the last 2 wars? Armed or disarmed really isn't a big deal. Now if they let you arm with heat seeking missiles or maybe some nuclear stuff then maybe you'd really worry the politicians.
Hey guess what -- I'm pissing on the Constitution as we speak and Tom. Jefferson is loving it and there isn't shit you can do about us millions of people that aren't fox bots.
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Why dont you go to the nearest military base and piss on a copy of the Constitution and see what happens. I double dog dare ya. LOL Oh that is right, you are scared to leave your moms basement.
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Absolutely amazing how many people are willing to throw out the Constitution because of a whim of the times or because there are parts of it they disagree with. The dead revolutionary war soldiers who died to give us that magnificent document are turning in their graves, as is the thousands of soldiers who have since died to protect it. The simple minded can not comprehend the importance so they casually dismiss it as outdated and unimportant. If there ever is a majority of the people who agree with that simple minded thinking that will mark the end of this once great country and the next civil war will begin.
no, the revolutionaries that died for our freedoms are rolling in their graves for lack of revolution! They would be ashamed of the American people for not standing up for justice and civil liberties. That's what they fought for and we are letting it slip through our fingers.
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<quoted text>You are a disgrace to America and should take your commie loving pansy a$$ to China where you belong. Gitmo has a place waiting for people like you. The army is made up of patriotic Americans, something you know nothing about. They would never wage war against their own citizen for defending the Constitution, although I am sure they would gladly wage war against the likes of you. I will keep my guns and not a damn thing you and your sissy boy friends can do about it. You seem mighty scared of those "pop guns". LOL You can piss on the Constitution all you want, it still controls and governs you whether you like it or not. BTW, without that document you would not be able to say the simple mined,anti-American nonsense that you spew. Thomas Jefferson thinks you are a disgrace and he warned us there would be scaredy little spineless cowards like you. Go back to your moms basement and cower in fear and pray the government protects you from your own shadow. God bless the US and the Constitution!!. Give me liberty or give me death!!:)
lol you say "Give me liberty or give me death" like it's something you believe in. You're telling a person that they should be locked up in Gitmo for having a dissenting view. That is anti-American.

The USA we know now is not the same as it was 30 years ago. Supporting the current system is supporting oppression.

the army is made up of mostly young men and women from poor backgrounds. Ask our vets how they feel about what happened in war..sure as hell not patriotic/proud or else there wouldn't be so many of them committing suicide everyday

Did you see how the riot police handled Occupy Wall street? The protesters were there to defend the Constitution and our rights. Yeah right they won't use inhumane force on Americans.

"it still controls and governs you whether you like it or not" : this sounds like tyranny to me and YOU used it to describe what is a document of democracy.-lol-

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lol you say "Give me liberty or give me death" like it's something you believe in. You're telling a person that they should be locked up in Gitmo for having a dissenting view. That is anti-American.
The USA we know now is not the same as it was 30 years ago. Supporting the current system is supporting oppression.
the army is made up of mostly young men and women from poor backgrounds. Ask our vets how they feel about what happened in war..sure as hell not patriotic/proud or else there wouldn't be so many of them committing suicide everyday
Did you see how the riot police handled Occupy Wall street? The protesters were there to defend the Constitution and our rights. Yeah right they won't use inhumane force on Americans.
"it still controls and governs you whether you like it or not" : this sounds like tyranny to me and YOU used it to describe what is a document of democracy.-lol-
Its not because of a dissenting view, it is because they obviously hate America and what it stands for. When you denounce the Constitution you cant expect the protections and rights it encompasses.

I think you better look up the defintion of tyranny. LOL Just because the Constitution governs people whether they like it or not does not make it tryanny, in fact a democratic document like the Constitution is the opposite of tyranny.
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<quoted text>You are a disgrace to America and should take your commie loving pansy a$$ to China where you belong. Gitmo has a place waiting for people like you. The army is made up of patriotic Americans, something you know nothing about. They would never wage war against their own citizen for defending the Constitution, although I am sure they would gladly wage war against the likes of you. I will keep my guns and not a damn thing you and your sissy boy friends can do about it. You seem mighty scared of those "pop guns". LOL You can piss on the Constitution all you want, it still controls and governs you whether you like it or not. BTW, without that document you would not be able to say the simple mined,anti-American nonsense that you spew. Thomas Jefferson thinks you are a disgrace and he warned us there would be scaredy little spineless cowards like you. Go back to your moms basement and cower in fear and pray the government protects you from your own shadow. God bless the US and the Constitution!!. Give me liberty or give me death!!:)
Not very hard to push your button. I hope some day you really do find something worth getting that excited about that matters. Now besides your high capacity AR15 pop gun your so fond of look into other things if you want to fight 'the possible tyranny' someday. Here is a hint from the one you think stays in mommas basement -- 50 BMG, cz52 (strong sliding lock like MG with small powerful round - thru the body armor then hit shoulder or hip). Realize with BMG they may have sound locators so shoot and scoot. Now about the night - heat vision - SOL, steal some yourself when shtf and fight during bad storms (some grounded planes). Sounds life fun doesn't it. Oh

Was it you that said military wouldn't turn on the people - Civil War, WWI soldiers in DC rioting over promised pay, Kent State, Civil Rights, Chicago Democratic convention, riots (war, ghettos early 60s) are just a few I can think of.

Again glad to see the passion, too bad it's over a 200 year old scrap of paper that have outdated ideas as Thomas Jefferson predicted and many Presidents knew..

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Not very hard to push your button. I hope some day you really do find something worth getting that excited about that matters. Now besides your high capacity AR15 pop gun your so fond of look into other things if you want to fight 'the possible tyranny' someday. Here is a hint from the one you think stays in mommas basement -- 50 BMG, cz52 (strong sliding lock like MG with small powerful round - thru the body armor then hit shoulder or hip). Realize with BMG they may have sound locators so shoot and scoot. Now about the night - heat vision - SOL, steal some yourself when shtf and fight during bad storms (some grounded planes). Sounds life fun doesn't it. Oh
Was it you that said military wouldn't turn on the people - Civil War, WWI soldiers in DC rioting over promised pay, Kent State, Civil Rights, Chicago Democratic convention, riots (war, ghettos early 60s) are just a few I can think of.
Again glad to see the passion, too bad it's over a 200 year old scrap of paper that have outdated ideas as Thomas Jefferson predicted and many Presidents knew..
Traitorous scum. Gitmo is calling you. You are right, the military would turn on people like you and I dont blame them. Back to your moms basement for you.

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