Since: Jan 13

Williamson, WV

#11027 Feb 1, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> Unlike you I will post facts. I will then cite my sources. I won't disrespect the families that lost children.
"State police seized four guns when they responded to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown in December, according to state police.
Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.
Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.
Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.
Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was
in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun." -- http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Sand ...
* http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.a ...
THE GUN IN THE TRUNK WAS A SHOTGUN! I thought you knew everything about guns. How could you be SO wrong? Also, note that the report was from the CT State Police, not "the mass media". If you really are military, then you have a different mindset than the civilian does. I respect your service, but death is a big deal in this country. Just because our government has made you what you are doesn't mean your opinion is the only important one. If you really serve this country, then why are you so hateful to the people for whom you are ready to lay down your life? Seriously, do you love guns more than you love America and her people?
The gun in the trunk was the AR-15. It's on video, NBC reported on it and the other stations did as well. I'm not wrong, you're floundering trying to make it seem that way but still wrong. I'd like to know how my "government made me what I am" though. That's rich, along with you putting words in my mouth and things I never said. I didn't disrespect any of the "kids who were murdered by a nutjob"'s families either--that's a weak attempt at an insult and shows your cowardice honestly. Every "no gunz" kneejerk anti-gunner acts like this so it's no surprise really. It's friggin ridiculous to punish the general public over the actions of one person to put it lightly. It's insane, infantile, and totally without logic. If you don't understand that without the settlers here having guns and rising up against the British is the only reason there IS a United States of America then there is no help for you. The British tried the exact same thing and the rest, is history. It was, then and now, the straw that "breaks the camels back". This nation was founded by guns and is as much a part of the heritage as apple pie or anything else, even more so than those examples. The Founders put the 2nd A in there so the government wouldn't turn toward a dictatorship and abuse it's power (like they are now), leaving a catch 22 in for patriots to oust tyrannical government should it become so and restore that government to one that works FOR the people instead of against them. People are speaking out, writing Congress, Senators, ect, because they ARE willing to lay their lives down to stop an ever increasingly infringing government. You'll notice they are backing the hell off about a gun ban as well. You want to cry about children and lives lost? EVERY one of these massacres has happened in a "gun free" zone, EVERY one of these psychos has been a far left Democrat. It's a fact, look it up I'm not providing you links to sites you can google yourself. It is the government who set these shooting galleries for psychos up, they are just as complicit as the nuts who did the killing. In Chicago, strictest gun laws in the entire nation, last year there was a "Sandy Hook" number of gun murders every month. EVERY month, that's over 500 people in one year in a city that banned guns. Connecticut also has very strict gun laws plus an AWB, didn't help though did it? Is it sinking in yet?------> cont.

Since: Jan 13

Williamson, WV

#11028 Feb 1, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> Unlike you I will post facts. I will then cite my sources. I won't disrespect the families that lost children.
"State police seized four guns when they responded to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown in December, according to state police.
Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.
Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.
Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.
Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was
in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun." -- http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Sand ...
* http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.a ...
THE GUN IN THE TRUNK WAS A SHOTGUN! I thought you knew everything about guns. How could you be SO wrong? Also, note that the report was from the CT State Police, not "the mass media". If you really are military, then you have a different mindset than the civilian does. I respect your service, but death is a big deal in this country. Just because our government has made you what you are doesn't mean your opinion is the only important one. If you really serve this country, then why are you so hateful to the people for whom you are ready to lay down your life? Seriously, do you love guns more than you love America and her people?
"His car" was registered to a convicted sex offender as well, Christopher Rhodia. Watch the damn video, it was in this car and not used so you're lying again. Quit putting words in my mouth and insinuating I said things I didn't. That's weak and the sure sign of a coward. Absolutely, I love guns waaay more than people like you who are ignorant with no common sense at all who agree with persecuting the average citizen if they own a gun because a madman killed some kids, who agree with taking everyone's rights and the Constitution and flushing them down the toilet basically. People like you I would let whatever happen to because you do no good for society or the country. Grist for the mill. I did not join the service for anyone but me and the hope I could help keep it safe from enemies foreign AND domestic. You wouldn't be so high on the Army or government if you knew what they were asking us to do. If we would fire on you, unarmed or not, round you up and put you in those FEMA camps that "don't exist lol", you better believe we practice those drills constantly now. There are a lot of us who won't but there are a surprising number who will, people .like you evidently. "Sheep" and "followers". There are more patriots than "them" though, that's exactly why the 2nd A and guns are so important. You better learn real quick your "government" does not have your interests in mind or love you, you are ALL expendable unless you are one of "them" or in their military. THAT is why I joined, to stop evil like that from happening.
Black Gold

Mount Hope, WV

#11029 Feb 1, 2013
The idea that we need our guns to overthrow a tyrannical government is interesting but with the guns now legal outdated by 20 years or so. Did you not see our armored troops with heat signature reading helicopters recently easily take on people with RPGs, big explosives and machine guns? And you'll take em on with an M16 ( R E D D A W N !!!)> LOL
Or perhaps you need em for "The End Of The World" -- well if we let civilization go -- any idea how hard it is to get and keep clean water? Try camping for 2 weeks without bringing water. Watch your waste - water and waste were the big killers before the 20th century. Ole Mom and Dad - with their diabetes, high blood pressure, bad thyroid and cholesterol surely will make it without medicine ....
Hey - in my opinion - this generation you won't outlaw guns but do ban high capacity ones. The high capacity is a joke for everything needed except killing innocent civilians.
Ignorance

Fairmont, WV

#11030 Feb 1, 2013
daDookieJew wrote:
<quoted text>
The gun in the trunk was the AR-15. It's on video, NBC reported on it and the other stations did as well. I'm not wrong, you're floundering trying to make it seem that way but still wrong. I'd like to know how my "government made me what I am" though. That's rich, along with you putting words in my mouth and things I never said. I didn't disrespect any of the "kids who were murdered by a nutjob"'s families either--that's a weak attempt at an insult and shows your cowardice honestly. Every "no gunz" kneejerk anti-gunner acts like this so it's no surprise really. It's friggin ridiculous to punish the general public over the actions of one person to put it lightly. It's insane, infantile, and totally without logic. If you don't understand that without the settlers here having guns and rising up against the British is the only reason there IS a United States of America then there is no help for you. The British tried the exact same thing and the rest, is history. It was, then and now, the straw that "breaks the camels back". This nation was founded by guns and is as much a part of the heritage as apple pie or anything else, even more so than those examples. The Founders put the 2nd A in there so the government wouldn't turn toward a dictatorship and abuse it's power (like they are now), leaving a catch 22 in for patriots to oust tyrannical government should it become so and restore that government to one that works FOR the people instead of against them. People are speaking out, writing Congress, Senators, ect, because they ARE willing to lay their lives down to stop an ever increasingly infringing government. You'll notice they are backing the hell off about a gun ban as well. You want to cry about children and lives lost? EVERY one of these massacres has happened in a "gun free" zone, EVERY one of these psychos has been a far left Democrat. It's a fact, look it up I'm not providing you links to sites you can google yourself. It is the government who set these shooting galleries for psychos up, they are just as complicit as the nuts who did the killing. In Chicago, strictest gun laws in the entire nation, last year there was a "Sandy Hook" number of gun murders every month. EVERY month, that's over 500 people in one year in a city that banned guns. Connecticut also has very strict gun laws plus an AWB, didn't help though did it? Is it sinking in yet?------> cont.
You keep lying and lying. The state police reported facts. It wasn't the news media making this up. They are reporting what the state police have told them. Chicago's gun laws have not been the "strictest" for a long time. In 2010 the handgun ban was lifted and murder rates went through the roof. You are only making the case that handguns should be more heavily regulated as well. Your lies are hurting real people. I bet if you were one of the first responders to Sandy Hook you wouldn't be so cavalier. But please, if I am lying, show me some news that proves your point. You can't because it is lies. LIAR!
Topless

Mount Hope, WV

#11031 Feb 1, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
In case you haven't seen these - Let's try those links again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IaKm89eVhoEXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Several studies have examined the correlations between rates of gun ownership and gun-related as well as overall homicide and suicide rates within various jurisdictions around the world.[134][135] Martin Killias, in a 1993 study covering 21 countries, found that there were substantial correlations between gun ownership and gun-related suicide and homicide rates. There was also a substantial though lesser correlation between gun ownership and total homicide rates.[136

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

I want them to make having a gun a death penalty crime. Any gun. People can use things like pepper spray and stun guns. I've read history - the rich white guys and the constitution they wrote doesn't impress me as GOD GIVEN. Thanks GOD during the civil war Abe said F*^K states rights and the constitution.
Sunshine

Mount Hope, WV

#11032 Feb 1, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
In case you haven't seen these - Let's try those links again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IaKm89eVhoEXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful, a miracle, it was beautiful, magical
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily, joyfully, playfully, watching me
But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible, logical, responsible, practical
And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable, clinical, intellectual, cynical
There are times when all the world's asleep
The questions run too deep for such a simple man
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned
I know it sounds absurd but please tell me who I am

I said now, watch what you say, now we're calling you a radical, a liberal, fanatical, criminal
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable

But at night, when all the world's asleep
The questions run so deep for such a simple man
Won't you please (Won't you tell me),(You can tell me what) please tell me what we've learned (Can you hear me?)
I know it sounds absurd,(Won't you help me) please tell me who I am, who I am, who I am, who I am

Supertramp
Sunshine

Mount Hope, WV

#11033 Feb 1, 2013
For H. Clinton on her last day --

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11034 Feb 1, 2013
Topless wrote:
<quoted text>
Several studies have examined the correlations between rates of gun ownership and gun-related as well as overall homicide and suicide rates within various jurisdictions around the world.[134][135] Martin Killias, in a 1993 study covering 21 countries, found that there were substantial correlations between gun ownership and gun-related suicide and homicide rates. There was also a substantial though lesser correlation between gun ownership and total homicide rates.[136
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics
I want them to make having a gun a death penalty crime. Any gun. People can use things like pepper spray and stun guns. I've read history - the rich white guys and the constitution they wrote doesn't impress me as GOD GIVEN. Thanks GOD during the civil war Abe said F*^K states rights and the constitution.
Good thing it isnt up to you. Guns are here to stay. People like you that have no respect for the Constitution make me sick. I think we should ban people like you and forcibly remove you from the country.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11035 Feb 1, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> You keep lying and lying. The state police reported facts. It wasn't the news media making this up. They are reporting what the state police have told them. Chicago's gun laws have not been the "strictest" for a long time. In 2010 the handgun ban was lifted and murder rates went through the roof. You are only making the case that handguns should be more heavily regulated as well. Your lies are hurting real people. I bet if you were one of the first responders to Sandy Hook you wouldn't be so cavalier. But please, if I am lying, show me some news that proves your point. You can't because it is lies. LIAR!
.

Deaths per year Item

3500 Swimming pools
800 Jet Skis, etc.
700 children Swimming pools
700 Recrational boats
392 ATV's,4 Wheelers
100 children ATV's,4 Wheelers
48 Assault weapons

Interesting to note that of all the things that could be banned to save lives, assault weapons would save the least and is also the only one that is Constitutionally protected. Nothing in the Constitution says they cant ban pools, jet skis, boats, 4 wheelers,etc.. Banning those 4 could save 5392 lives every year, compared with 48 for assault weapons. What is the real agenda? It is indisputable it isnt only saving lives. Wanting to ban the only one that is Consitutionally protected and that would save realitively speaking very few lives in comparisson proves this. I also find it morally repugnant that you use the horrific murder of these chidlren to push your communist nanny state agenda.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11036 Feb 1, 2013
Ignorance wrote:
<quoted text> You keep lying and lying. The state police reported facts. It wasn't the news media making this up. They are reporting what the state police have told them. Chicago's gun laws have not been the "strictest" for a long time. In 2010 the handgun ban was lifted and murder rates went through the roof. You are only making the case that handguns should be more heavily regulated as well. Your lies are hurting real people. I bet if you were one of the first responders to Sandy Hook you wouldn't be so cavalier. But please, if I am lying, show me some news that proves your point. You can't because it is lies. LIAR!
Chicago's murder rate was lower in 2010 and 2011 than in 2009, who is the liar now?

Since: Aug 08

.

#11037 Feb 2, 2013
Huh.
C O A L

Mount Hope, WV

#11038 Feb 2, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
Hmmmm worth thinking about?

In 1789, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote to James Madison, often called the “Father of the Constitution,” stating that the Constitution was not perpetual and should be rewritten to serve future generations.

“The earth belongs always to the living generation,” Jefferson wrote.“They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please.…

Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
==========

(CBS News) Is the U.S. Constitution truly worthy of the reverence in which most Americans hold it? A view on that from Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University:

"I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution.
I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not. Constitutional disobedience is as American as apple pie.

For example, most of our greatest Presidents -- Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, and both Roosevelts -- had doubts about the Constitution, and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way.

To be clear, I don't think we should give up on everything in the Constitution. The Constitution has many important and inspiring provisions, but we should obey these because they are important and inspiring, not because a bunch of people who are now long-dead favored them two centuries ago….

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014...

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-b...

http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2013/0...
Nines

Fairmont, WV

#11039 Feb 2, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>Chicago's murder rate was lower in 2010 and 2011 than in 2009, who is the liar now?
Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
WinterGale

Mount Hope, WV

#11040 Feb 2, 2013
Black Gold wrote:
In case you haven't seen these - Let's try those links again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IaKm89eVhoEXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Seen them. Back at youse with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
eddymunster

Independence, WV

#11041 Feb 2, 2013
MindlessFoxBot wrote:
<quoted text>.
Deaths per year Item
3500 Swimming pools
800 Jet Skis, etc.
700 children Swimming pools
700 Recrational boats
392 ATV's,4 Wheelers
100 children ATV's,4 Wheelers
48 Assault weapons
Interesting to note that of all the things that could be banned to save lives, assault weapons would save the least and is also the only one that is Constitutionally protected. Nothing in the Constitution says they cant ban pools, jet skis, boats, 4 wheelers,etc.. Banning those 4 could save 5392 lives every year, compared with 48 for assault weapons. What is the real agenda? It is indisputable it isnt only saving lives. Wanting to ban the only one that is Consitutionally protected and that would save realitively speaking very few lives in comparisson proves this. I also find it morally repugnant that you use the horrific murder of these chidlren to push your communist nanny state agenda.
Every death you mentioned was due to accidents by people making personal choices. Except for assault weapons. No one came up to someone in a pool, their ATV or jet ski and shot them in the head. So far in just over a month since Newtown US gun deaths are almost 1300. I'm not against guns but I am against the ease with which people can get them. Just like a drivers license you should be able to show you have the minimum skill required to use a gun.
hope

Huntington, WV

#11042 Feb 2, 2013
C O A L wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmmm worth thinking about?
In 1789, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote to James Madison, often called the “Father of the Constitution,” stating that the Constitution was not perpetual and should be rewritten to serve future generations.
“The earth belongs always to the living generation,” Jefferson wrote.“They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please.…
Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
==========
(CBS News) Is the U.S. Constitution truly worthy of the reverence in which most Americans hold it? A view on that from Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University:
"I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution.
I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not. Constitutional disobedience is as American as apple pie.
For example, most of our greatest Presidents -- Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, and both Roosevelts -- had doubts about the Constitution, and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way.
To be clear, I don't think we should give up on everything in the Constitution. The Constitution has many important and inspiring provisions, but we should obey these because they are important and inspiring, not because a bunch of people who are now long-dead favored them two centuries ago….
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014...
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-b...
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2013/0...
the forefathers were advocates of revolution (obviously haha)so it only makes sense that we revamp the constitution from time to time. the laws they made were never meant to outlive them. this is what they advised! why hasn't it been changed? I don't know..

My (20somethings) generation will write a new one with the coming revolution...it's our responsibility to do so

Jefferson quotes:

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed..."

we've been without revolution for too long, it's time for change!
hope

Huntington, WV

#11043 Feb 2, 2013
Nines wrote:
<quoted text> Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/p...

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11044 Feb 2, 2013
Nines wrote:
<quoted text> Considering 2012 was a very bloody year in Chicago and 2013 is on track to surpass it, it is safe to assume that handguns are not making people safer. You gun nuts always make Chicago sound gun free, but it's not. It's just a dangerous city. We will see if the murder rate evens out over the next few years. I can only assume that it won't. Let's be honest in this debate though. Chicago is not a tough gun law place. And the whole issue isn't handguns, of which I own 2, it is these military weapons manufactured for murder.
Isnt it convenient how you anti-gun people pick and choose your statistics to try and justify your point of view. I have already shown assault weapons kill very few compared to other guns and other freedoms we all enjoy.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11045 Feb 2, 2013
eddymunster wrote:
<quoted text>
Every death you mentioned was due to accidents by people making personal choices. Except for assault weapons. No one came up to someone in a pool, their ATV or jet ski and shot them in the head. So far in just over a month since Newtown US gun deaths are almost 1300. I'm not against guns but I am against the ease with which people can get them. Just like a drivers license you should be able to show you have the minimum skill required to use a gun.
Many innocent people were killed on boats and jet skis not of their own choice or doing, but by some other idiot crashing into them. Is their death any less meaningful than someone killed by a gun? The point is we have freedoms, including boats, jet skis, AND guns. Those freedoms have consequences that are sometimes tragic, but that doesnt mean we give those freedoms away. There is no doubt banning boats and jet skis would save more innocent people from being killed by another than assault weapons.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11046 Feb 2, 2013
Absolutely amazing how many people are willing to throw out the Constitution because of a whim of the times or because there are parts of it they disagree with. The dead revolutionary war soldiers who died to give us that magnificent document are turning in their graves, as is the thousands of soldiers who have since died to protect it. The simple minded can not comprehend the importance so they casually dismiss it as outdated and unimportant. If there ever is a majority of the people who agree with that simple minded thinking that will mark the end of this once great country and the next civil war will begin.

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