Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#98640 Sep 25, 2013
Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
People like all of these things. However, all of these things are not possible. You can't increase healthcare coverage without causing healthcare insurance premiums to go up. It's simply not possible. ACA premiums will be more than premiums we have today for the same type of coverages. The data gathered thus far is already proving that. When you speak of lower, affordable rates, what you refer to are subsidized rates. The insurance premiums are higher, however, the government is paying for part of the premium for some people. The subsidies come from taxes mainly levied on businesses. Sure, people receiving subsidized insurance premiums are happy, however, businesses and people working at businesses are not.
People like all the things you mentioned. However, people also like having a job. More people will now have healthcare insurance, a very good thing. However, more people will be without a job, or at best, have reduced hours, a bad thing. You don't get something for nothing, somebody has to pay. In this case, the increased coverage the ACA generates will be offset to some degree by higher unemployment. However, everyone must have healthcare. Therefore, those who are out of work will simply get their healthcare 100% subsidized which will require even more taxes. More taxes means even more unemployment. Thus a vicious cycle is getting ready to start that has the potential to spin out of control. This is what people don't like.
Three points, first, approx. 30 million Americans are currently without health insurance coverage. Those 30 million people will soon become customers for the private insurance carriers. That SHOULD spread the risk to insurers and COULD serve to lower the costs of insurance, not raise it, since the law mandates that the companies must spend 80% of the premium on the subscribers, to participate in the exchanges.
Second, health insurance rates were increasing at rates far above inflation for a decade before the ACA passed so increased premiums are nothing new.
Finally, a sick individual ultimately ends up with a 100% subsidy from the taxpayers now. He or she has to be bankrupt first, then they qualify for Medicaid coverage. HOPEFULLY, this law will allow those folks to get some care at a time when their disease is at an early stage and less expensive to treat.
I have no idea how this will eventually shake out, and you know from our conversations that I would prefer Medicare for all instead of the ACA, but this IS going forward and it is going to cover a lot of our fellow citizens, and that in my opinion is a good thing for America.
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#98641 Sep 25, 2013
really wrote:
<quoted text>wow you like to run that mouth, one day someone will shut you the hell up, fat ass skank
Pete!
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#98642 Sep 25, 2013
sassy is a stupid skank wrote:
<quoted text>no b slut, that would be libtards like you. Remember Obama donates our weapons to Muslim Brotherhood which is a terrorist group, so continue to show how big of a stupid skank you are
Pete!
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#98643 Sep 25, 2013
sassy is stupid wrote:
<quoted text>Awe dumb skank, so teapublican and you are gay as well. SInce you dwell on both all the time. It's sad you get on here and lie to deceive others when you really are a teapublican and a lezbo
Pete!
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#98644 Sep 25, 2013
really wrote:
<quoted text>Well clueless old ugly skank, you seem to forget, you cant find a man, much less a wealthy man. You couldn't even get a bum to marry you. So lezbo, much like your daughter, you better aim really low, maybe a dog will get desperate enough one day, naw even a dog has standards
Pete all this was less than a week, and I might say Jackson TN. has cleaned up his act somewhat, but in this same time frame, can you say the same about Linda, who has been drawn and quartered in the same amount of time?
Bayless

South Pittsburg, TN

#98645 Sep 25, 2013
The U.S. is broke.

It is on the cusp of $17 TRILLION in debt.

Each man, woman, and child in the United States is on the hook for $53,519 as of this moment.

Oh...wow! I had an epiphany!

How about we just print more money! Yeah - THAT will fix it....Then...then...we can raise the debt ceiling and spend MORE!!!

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#98646 Sep 25, 2013
123pictures wrote:
You wish you had a "STALKER".You are about as goofy as anything on cartoon shows.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT SO YOU CAN STOP YOUR CRAZY THINKING. CRAZY YOU ARE TOO.
YOU, CRAVING ATTENTION CANNOT LEAVE THAT MAN IN YOUR PAST. YOU KEEP SEEING HIM EVERYWHERE YOU TURN BECAUSE YOU ARE SO PARANOID. Called GUILTY CONSCIOUS.
YOU DON'T GO TO BED BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF YOUR PAST COMING BACK TO HAUNT YOU. PITIFUL YOU ARE. NO WONDER YOUR KIDS DON'T READ THIS TRASH AS YOU CALL IT,YOU POST THE TRASH.
"Pitiful you are?"

Yoda, you are not, lady.

Your post was entered at 4:30am, yet you claim you're not a stalker. Hilarious.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#98647 Sep 25, 2013
Barry Obama Is a Failure wrote:
Bravo Senator Cruz.
Although I don't agree with 100% of your views, I give you a standing ovation to your marathon effort on the Senate floor.
Thank you for calling attention to Harry Reid's backroom deal with Obama to exempt federal employees from Obamacare.
Harry Reid is the biggest hypocrite in DC.
Obamacare is good for everyone else in the country but not good enough for Harry Reid.
Cruz dares the House to pass a CR which includes a defunding amendment to it. They pass that bill. Cruz then takes to the floor with a threat to filibuster the VERY HOUSE BILL he pushed the House to pass....
In other words, Cruz wants to block a Senate vote on HIS OWN BILL, and you give him a "standing ovation" ????

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#98648 Sep 25, 2013
Excellent, Dunlapian!

Jackson continues to whine about how Sassy is just as bad as he is, but then proves himself wrong in every post. He is representing conservative "Christians" perfectly and the rest of them refuse to condemn his vulgarity simply because of shared political ideology. They are, however, allowing ALL conservatives to be depicted as hostile, profane, enraged miscreants by doing this.

Adherence to political ideology is being shown to be much more important to conservatives than any sense of religious ideals or even simple morality. Their constant claims of any moral high ground have been allowed to be destroyed by their unwillingness to condemn depravity as long as said depravity is issued from a conservative megaphone.

Simply opposing homosexuality and abortion does not magically make one a righteous Christian. Even the Pope knows this, but conservatives continue to endorse nothing more than this misguided litmus test. This is ultimately harming the Republican Party, the conservative movement AND recruitment of new Christians as well. What real Christian would want to be associated with such peers?
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#98649 Sep 25, 2013
The average "ObamaCare" for the nation will be about $328 for an average policy.......Texas is even lower.
Read it and weep TeaBaggers!

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http://news.yahoo.com/obamacares-average-mont...

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#98650 Sep 25, 2013
Barry Obama Is a Failure wrote:
Gee, the Treasury Secretary is confirming that Barry's tax and spend policies (which are job killers) has produced lower than expected federal revenue over the summer. I'm not surprised.
WASHINGTON–Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew on Tuesday said U.S. tax receipts came in a little lower than expected over the summer, adding urgency to the Obama administration’s calls for an increase to the nation’s borrowing limit.
And Bush's cutting taxes while BORROWING and spending nearly led us into another Great Depression. Obama's fiscal policies are far from perfect, but they're still exponentially better than Republican policies.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#98651 Sep 25, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Cruz dares the House to pass a CR which includes a defunding amendment to it. They pass that bill. Cruz then takes to the floor with a threat to filibuster the VERY HOUSE BILL he pushed the House to pass....
In other words, Cruz wants to block a Senate vote on HIS OWN BILL, and you give him a "standing ovation" ????
The inevitable response...

<crickets>
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#98652 Sep 25, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
Excellent, Dunlapian!
Jackson continues to whine about how Sassy is just as bad as he is, but then proves himself wrong in every post. He is representing conservative "Christians" perfectly and the rest of them refuse to condemn his vulgarity simply because of shared political ideology. They are, however, allowing ALL conservatives to be depicted as hostile, profane, enraged miscreants by doing this.
Adherence to political ideology is being shown to be much more important to conservatives than any sense of religious ideals or even simple morality. Their constant claims of any moral high ground have been allowed to be destroyed by their unwillingness to condemn depravity as long as said depravity is issued from a conservative megaphone.
Simply opposing homosexuality and abortion does not magically make one a righteous Christian. Even the Pope knows this, but conservatives continue to endorse nothing more than this misguided litmus test. This is ultimately harming the Republican Party, the conservative movement AND recruitment of new Christians as well. What real Christian would want to be associated with such peers?
Thank You OT, your very welcome!
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#98653 Sep 25, 2013
Bayless wrote:
The U.S. is broke.
It is on the cusp of $17 TRILLION in debt.
Each man, woman, and child in the United States is on the hook for $53,519 as of this moment.
Oh...wow! I had an epiphany!
How about we just print more money! Yeah - THAT will fix it....Then...then...we can raise the debt ceiling and spend MORE!!!
The majority of that debt is held by the United States taxpayers and that includes anyone who pays into Social Security which has it's assets invested in U.S. Treasuries.
We are not broke and with fiat currency and no shortage of investors who want the safety of U.S. T bills we are in no danger of being broke. We have the second lowest income tax rates in my lifetime, and the Congress has the ability to tax and tariff at will...... Your repeated posts that we are broke do not make it so.
Barry Obama Is a Failure

Greeneville, TN

#98654 Sep 25, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Cruz dares the House to pass a CR which includes a defunding amendment to it. They pass that bill. Cruz then takes to the floor with a threat to filibuster the VERY HOUSE BILL he pushed the House to pass....
In other words, Cruz wants to block a Senate vote on HIS OWN BILL, and you give him a "standing ovation" ????
The purpose of his marathon is, first and foremost, an attempt to call attention to the pitfalls of the ACA.
Mission accomplished.
Barry Obama Is a Failure

Greeneville, TN

#98655 Sep 25, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
And Bush's cutting taxes while BORROWING and spending nearly led us into another Great Depression. Obama's fiscal policies are far from perfect, but they're still exponentially better than Republican policies.
No doubt Bush did borrow and spend.
Name a president who didn't while you're been alive.
Full time job creation is the goal.
Barry Obama has been and will continue to be the champion of part time employment.
Barry Obama Is a Failure

Greeneville, TN

#98656 Sep 25, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
And Bush's cutting taxes while BORROWING and spending nearly led us into another Great Depression. Obama's fiscal policies are far from perfect, but they're still exponentially better than Republican policies.
So, lower than expected federal revenue is a sign that things are getting better after 5 years of this policy?
ok..........
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#98658 Sep 25, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
The inevitable response...
<crickets>
I wonder how many folks actually realize that he has taken the floor to threaten a filibuster of his own bill ?
What conservative principle or constitutional tenet is served by stopping the Senate from voting on a House bill ?
I suppose some folks did get a bit of entertainment from his antics as he read Green Eggs and Ham into the record !
Bayless

South Pittsburg, TN

#98659 Sep 25, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> The majority of that debt is held by the United States taxpayers and that includes anyone who pays into Social Security which has it's assets invested in U.S. Treasuries.
We are not broke and with fiat currency and no shortage of investors who want the safety of U.S. T bills we are in no danger of being broke. We have the second lowest income tax rates in my lifetime, and the Congress has the ability to tax and tariff at will...... Your repeated posts that we are broke do not make it so.
We are broke.

We continually spend more than we take in...raise the debt ceiling
EVERY October to "cover" it, and China is gobbling up our debt at record levels.

The liberal response is, oh well...no problem, we'll just raise taxes.

Your repeated posts that everything is sunshine and lollipops is ludicrous.
Bayless

South Pittsburg, TN

#98660 Sep 25, 2013
Barry Obama Is a Failure wrote:
<quoted text>
The purpose of his marathon is, first and foremost, an attempt to call attention to the pitfalls of the ACA.
Mission accomplished.
Yes.

And nearly 65% of Americans didn't want it to begin with - and still don't.

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