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“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

Waters Creek, GA

#17358 Jul 5, 2013
not so wrote:
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Spreading the cost to everyone instead of just the insured will over time should reduce costs to everyone.
On what should the cost to everyone be based upon? Who does everyone consist of? Think taxes before you answer.
Who

Toccoa, GA

#17359 Jul 5, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
And your point is..........
Nothing you just posted is new between what I posted and what you posted so I will repeat, how do you think this is helping your case?
The fence and the barb wire??
Who

Toccoa, GA

#17360 Jul 5, 2013
Sucker wrote:
If they are a part of the Washington, DC bunch (been in office) turn them out makes little difference which part not 10 cents difference in the whole bunch. They have sold America out. Get rid of them all.

Post of the day.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#17361 Jul 5, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>I think they're scared to pick sides right now. That or they were told to keep their mouth's shut so Congress could pass an amnesty bill.
I don't know anything about that, so I can't really give you an opinion.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#17362 Jul 5, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
HA!(except I have gotten roped into that spin cycle more than once) ;}
It happens to ALL of us. Oh My is the Spin Cycle Master of the Universe.:)))

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#17363 Jul 5, 2013
Who wrote:
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Yeah, but he argued the fence post were not fence post, only sticks in the ground. He excluded the barb wire as a factor.
THEN, she went to Mother Jones and Mother Jones said it IS a fence post, but we are going to try and CONVINCE everyone that it's NOT.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#17364 Jul 5, 2013
Who wrote:
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To elaborate on this post, I will further explain.
Since I use wood posts, Oh my is technically correct they are sticks.
But the breakdown in communication comes when he argues the wire and the post are apples and organges and do not go together. He uses left wing websites to back him up with long winded posts. His jargon ap*****(someone must have complained my using the term because topix now considers it an offensive term,(I wonder who complained.)) creates a conundrum when trying to assess what he posts, pretty much the same problem we have with IO.
I really think their efforts at trying to confuse all posters have backfired and now most of their post turns into gobblygook. Sorta like this one.
and since Oh my has not posted in the middle of the night again, perhaps he is sleeping easier.
If you are referring to the red "warning" sentence that occasionally pops up, it's just a reminder. Your post will still post. There is nothing wrong with the term you wanted to use.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#17365 Jul 5, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
Not political in the least, but came across this and am rather ashamed I had not heard of this earlier, since it occurred so close to home. A tragic end to a story of a brave and selfless man.
"A Georgia man who was paralyzed after jumping into a creek to save a young girl from drowning earlier this month has died.
Michael Patterson, 43, died early Friday due to complications following the June 8 incident. Patterson severed his spinal cord when he leapt into the swift-moving Euharlee Creek along the Silver Comet Trail in Rockmart, Ga., to save Javea Jones, a 4-year-old girl whom he had never met. Jones survived, but Patterson suffered several injuries in addition to being paralyzed from the shoulders down, including respiratory acidosis, pneumonia and a bacterial infection."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/28/good-sam...
I did know about this. What a brave man. It is heartbreaking for his family.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#17366 Jul 5, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why they're known as the clueless and uneducated.
Recently, I overheard a conversation between 4 young men (they were talking rather loudly), each was talking about how much money they were going to make (recent college graduates getting ready to start their careers?) and what they were going to spend on rent, their new car, etc. One of them very meticulously indicated what his "living costs" (rent, utilities, food, car payment, insurance, etc.) were going to be, apparently he had put a lot of research and effort into his task. He had it apparently worked down to the last dollar on a monthly basis...
As my guest and I got up to leave, I casually mentioned to the group, "Not to be rude, but you guys were being a bit loud and I overheard your plans." Looking at the one with all the details, I said, "Your planning sounds great, but you have to account for income tax withholding and FICA taxes. That could be 15 to 20% of what you make."
The look on their faces was priceless and sad. They hadn't thought about taxes...
The libroids will tell you that all of this is made up. They don't like reality.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#17367 Jul 5, 2013
not so wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are truly clueless. The things you mention are common with insurance companies who are only concerned with profits. If anything changes its more likely healthcare for the masses will improve. More customers for insurance companies will result in better healthcare. Spreading the cost to everyone instead of just the insured will over time should reduce costs to everyone. It will be hard to see due to the constant increase in health care costs that aging Americans demand. Hip replacements at 90 and other
unnecessary and wasteful spending.
You as many others are under the impression that we have great health care, NOT SO! If ignorance is bliss you are one happy moron. The health care profession and our government want people like you to believe that we are still the best in the world for health care. Heck rich people from all over the world have come here for treatment. The best is still available in this country, its just not available to all anymore. Read toward the bottom, at 37 in the world you will find your idea of QUALITY HEALTHCARE.
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
How about a link to this info. I am guessing ALL of the above except for the U.S. have socialized medicine, huh? lol

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#17368 Jul 5, 2013
not so wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are truly clueless. The things you mention are common with insurance companies who are only concerned with profits. If anything changes its more likely healthcare for the masses will improve. More customers for insurance companies will result in better healthcare. Spreading the cost to everyone instead of just the insured will over time should reduce costs to everyone. It will be hard to see due to the constant increase in health care costs that aging Americans demand. Hip replacements at 90 and other
unnecessary and wasteful spending.
You as many others are under the impression that we have great health care, NOT SO! If ignorance is bliss you are one happy moron. The health care profession and our government want people like you to believe that we are still the best in the world for health care. Heck rich people from all over the world have come here for treatment. The best is still available in this country, its just not available to all anymore. Read toward the bottom, at 37 in the world you will find your idea of QUALITY HEALTHCARE.
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
I had a feeling it wouldn't take 5 minutes to discredit this ranking, let's try 3 minutes.
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"A closer look at the WHO health care study reveals startling assumptions, critical lapses in statistical judgment, and a clearly predetermined politica agenda." http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/w...

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The WHO referenced is the World Health Organization.

'WHO couldn’t gather all the appropriate data for all nations, so its researchers had to make some assumptions and calculations using other bits of information, such as literacy rates and income. Bialik quotes the editor in chief of the report, Philip Musgrove, as saying that the figures that resulted from these assumptions are "so many made-up numbers." Musgrove, deputy editor of Health Affairs, calls the end result "nonsense ranking" and the very attempt to rank health care systems "a fool’s errand." '

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/37th-in-heal...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#17369 Jul 5, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
How about a link to this info. I am guessing ALL of the above except for the U.S. have socialized medicine, huh? lol
You hit that on the head, universal health care was definitely a factor.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#17370 Jul 5, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
And your point is..........
Nothing you just posted is new between what I posted and what you posted so I will repeat, how do you think this is helping your case?
Let's see, what does this mean...
"So now you argue with polls,"
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
So now you argue with polls, are you saying the businesses that responded were lying?

1. It could mean that a person is a using a poll to bolster an argument, which is certianly what you were doing in this post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
----'Forty-one percent of the businesses surveyed have frozen hiring because of the health-care law known as Obamacare. And almost one-fifth—19 percent— answered "yes" when asked if they had "reduced the number of employees you have in your business as a specific result of the Affordable Care Act." '
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100825782

OR

2. It could mean that you are accussing someone of having an argument with a poll, as if to say "Why are you arguing with an inanimate object that can't argue back", but this doesn't make sense because the argument would be with the person using the poll to bolster their argument.

Now to answer your most recent question,
"And your point is.........."
Let's look at the article that you referenced to bolster your argument (it could be said that you are arguing with a poll)...

"Forty-one percent of the businesses surveyed have frozen hiring because of the health-care law known as Obamacare."

Does this mean that 59% did not freeze hirng because of Obamacare, we'll never know because the poll itself was not referenced in the article you cited (perhaps because it was a privately commissioned poll).
..........
"19 percent— answered "yes" when asked if they had "reduced the number of employees you have in your business as a specific result of the Affordable Care Act."

Does this mean that 81% answered "no" to the same question, again we'll never know unless we see the actual poll.
..........
"while another 39 percent saw "no impact." (from Obamamcare on their business)

If your 19% finding bolsters some point that you are trying to make, then this 39% finding must have twice the bolstering power.
.....
As the article states "The prevalent pessimism tracks other answers in the poll", and yes, the article certianly does show a "prevalent pessimism", which I suspect, is why you referenced this article about a poll to bolster your argument.

But the article also balances this "prevalent pessimism" by stating...

...Gallup Chief Economic Dennis Jacobe said small business owners' answers in the poll "is consistent with owners' tendency to be more Republican than Democratic, higher-income, more against big government, more conservative and less optimistic than Americans overall."

And this statement offers one more opinion in an article about an opinion poll...

One group that favors Obamacare for small businesses said the findings reflect misconceptions about its true effects as well as the need for continued outreach by reform advocates to the small business community.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#17371 Jul 5, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I had a feeling it wouldn't take 5 minutes to discredit this ranking, let's try 3 minutes.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/37th-in-heal...
Uhmmmm, so factcheck.org is now an approved site, perhaps you can tell us specifically what aspects of the site lead to its approval rating.
danger zone

Covington, GA

#17372 Jul 5, 2013
not so wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are truly clueless. The things you mention are common with insurance companies who are only concerned with profits. If anything changes its more likely healthcare for the masses will improve. More customers for insurance companies will result in better healthcare. Spreading the cost to everyone instead of just the insured will over time should reduce costs to everyone. It will be hard to see due to the constant increase in health care costs that aging Americans demand. Hip replacements at 90 and other
unnecessary and wasteful spending.
You as many others are under the impression that we have great health care, NOT SO! If ignorance is bliss you are one happy moron. The health care profession and our government want people like you to believe that we are still the best in the world for health care. Heck rich people from all over the world have come here for treatment. The best is still available in this country, its just not available to all anymore. Read toward the bottom, at 37 in the world you will find your idea of QUALITY HEALTHCARE.
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
Insurance companies are about turning profits, of course they are. That's why you'll see your deductibles skyrocket & premiums double if you're overweight, smoke, or have even a slightly elevated cholesterol or blood sugar. Pray, no serious ailments inflict you or loved ones, premiums may be unaffordable. It's already happening, Obamacare & insurance companies prefer "healthy" clients. They love big profits. Americans have been reassured pre-existing conditions must be covered, but they haven't been reassured this will be offerred at an affordable cost.

If you believe Obamacare & IPABs are the answer, so be it. As for my thoughts, Obamacare will turn out being a survival of the fittest type plan, where healthy Americans will be favored over unhealthy, overweight, diabetic, smokers. The same with private insurers... I mean, it IS about profits & keeping the cost of healthcare as low as possible. If you think otherwise, you're the clueless one.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#17373 Jul 5, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhmmmm, so factcheck.org is now an approved site, perhaps you can tell us specifically what aspects of the site lead to its approval rating.
"The site has gained recognition and won numerous awards for its contributions to political journalism. In 2006, TIME magazine named FactCheck.org one of the “25 Sites We Can’t Live Without.”[13] In 2008, PC Magazine called it one of the “20 Best Political Websites.”[14] Between 2008 and 2012, the site won four Webby Awards in the Politics category, in 2008, 2010, 2011, and 2012; as well as four People’s Voice Awards in Politics, in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2012.[15] FactCheck.org also won a 2010 Sigma Delta Chi Award from the Society of Professional Journalists for reporting on deceptive claims made about the federal health care legislation.[16]"

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2329086,...
https://www.spj.org/sdxa10.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck.org

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#17374 Jul 5, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see, what does this mean...
"So now you argue with polls,"
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
So now you argue with polls, are you saying the businesses that responded were lying?
1. It could mean that a person is a using a poll to bolster an argument, which is certianly what you were doing in this post:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
----'Forty-one percent of the businesses surveyed have frozen hiring because of the health-care law known as Obamacare. And almost one-fifth—19 percent— answered "yes" when asked if they had "reduced the number of employees you have in your business as a specific result of the Affordable Care Act." '
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100825782
OR
2. It could mean that you are accussing someone of having an argument with a poll, as if to say "Why are you arguing with an inanimate object that can't argue back", but this doesn't make sense because the argument would be with the person using the poll to bolster their argument.
Now to answer your most recent question,
"And your point is.........."
Let's look at the article that you referenced to bolster your argument (it could be said that you are arguing with a poll)...
"Forty-one percent of the businesses surveyed have frozen hiring because of the health-care law known as Obamacare."
Does this mean that 59% did not freeze hirng because of Obamacare, we'll never know because the poll itself was not referenced in the article you cited (perhaps because it was a privately commissioned poll).
..........
"19 percent— answered "yes" when asked if they had "reduced the number of employees you have in your business as a specific result of the Affordable Care Act."
Does this mean that 81% answered "no" to the same question, again we'll never know unless we see the actual poll.
..........
"while another 39 percent saw "no impact." (from Obamamcare on their business)
If your 19% finding bolsters some point that you are trying to make, then this 39% finding must have twice the bolstering power.
.....
As the article states "The prevalent pessimism tracks other answers in the poll", and yes, the article certianly does show a "prevalent pessimism", which I suspect, is why you referenced this article about a poll to bolster your argument.
But the article also balances this "prevalent pessimism" by stating...
...Gallup Chief Economic Dennis Jacobe said small business owners' answers in the poll "is consistent with owners' tendency to be more Republican than Democratic, higher-income, more against big government, more conservative and less optimistic than Americans overall."
And this statement offers one more opinion in an article about an opinion poll...
One group that favors Obamacare for small businesses said the findings reflect misconceptions about its true effects as well as the need for continued outreach by reform advocates to the small business community.
"It could mean that a person is a using a poll to bolster an argument, which is certianly what you were doing in this post:"

Wow, you found me out - I USED A POLL TO BOLSTER AN ARGUMENT - what a novel idea.
andy

Jefferson, GA

#17375 Jul 5, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
How about a link to this info. I am guessing ALL of the above except for the U.S. have socialized medicine, huh? lol
FINALLY a conservative the admits that so called socialized medicine is better than the strictly for profit system that we enjoy. As for the link, look it up yourself. Do you really think its funny that 36 other countries take better care of their citizens than the U.S., or are you just..........
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#17376 Jul 5, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you found me out - I USED A POLL TO BOLSTER AN ARGUMENT - what a novel idea.
"So now you argue with polls,"

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#17377 Jul 5, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I had a feeling it wouldn't take 5 minutes to discredit this ranking, let's try 3 minutes.
=====
"A closer look at the WHO health care study reveals startling assumptions, critical lapses in statistical judgment, and a clearly predetermined politica agenda." http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/w...
=====
The WHO referenced is the World Health Organization.
'WHO couldn’t gather all the appropriate data for all nations, so its researchers had to make some assumptions and calculations using other bits of information, such as literacy rates and income. Bialik quotes the editor in chief of the report, Philip Musgrove, as saying that the figures that resulted from these assumptions are "so many made-up numbers." Musgrove, deputy editor of Health Affairs, calls the end result "nonsense ranking" and the very attempt to rank health care systems "a fool’s errand." '
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/37th-in-heal...
+1

BTW, when was the last time you heard of anyone going to any of the countries near the top of the list (France, Italy) for a major procedure?

I do know some people that have had procedures done in India, partially for the lower cost AND, likely the bigger reason, because that's where they grew up and where their family is (to help take care of them for a couple of weeks after the procedure)...

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