Who do you support for U.S. Senate in...
jeb stuart

Cordele, GA

#16212 Jun 22, 2013
What wrote:
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Pretty much the same. Family first, neighbors next, then the community.
SOS, Just a bunch of ner'do wells(syns word), they do not feel hunger, cold or thirst, huh.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16213 Jun 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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My only thought on immigration is that any bill that does not first secure the border is nothing but smoke and mirrors to grant amnesty. I do not know if the Cornyn amendment was the answer - fully operational E-verify, quantifiable goals for the border, 90% apprehension rate, etc. But it at least demanded border security before any legalization began. That of course got killed.
The amendment your link referenced is worthless, as was noted.
If Republicans would simply demand true border security first before consideration of any immigration reform, then we would know they were serious. But as long as you have the likes of McCain and Graham with their wishy-washy RINO mentalities to lead the charge to caving in, we're sunk in the Senate. And at this time, Rubio has destroyed any credibility he had with me to be a true conservative.
As I referenced earlier, the CBO has reported that if the immigration bill passes as is, illegal immigration will be reduced at most 25%- how does that come any where near solving the problem - answer - it doesn't. Frankly, it isn't intended to IMHO.
Secure the border first - after all, that 700 mile double fence that was already passed and paid for currently stands at 36 miles completed - that is how committed to border security this administration is. And what about the Senate - an amendment that would have required that half that fence be completed before any legalization occurred was also killed in the Senate. I repeat, an amendment that would have merely required that half of a fence be completed before legalization -that has already been voted on, passed and had money allocated for - was DEFEATED in the Senate - with the help of our little Republicans - McCain, Graham, Rubio, Flake and Murkowski.
++++1 Excellent post. It's all about votes. I have posted this several times. It makes absolutely NO SENSE to begin a path to legalization without securing the border FIRST. That is a no brainer, however, no one REALLY wants to step up and support that. If the republicans stand strong on securing the border first, they'll lose the Hispanic vote that they are trying to get. You are right. No one TRULY wants to secure it first. Rubio disappoints me now. I had high hopes for him. McCain and the others you mentioned are the biggest RHINOS in town. Disgusting.

Since: Nov 12

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#16214 Jun 22, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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I haven't been posting much lately, time's been hard to come by. But I still skim through here a good bit.
Immigration? I haven't really been paying attention to who's saying what about it lately.
My opinion is that America is for Americans. If you're not supposed to be here you get nothing but deported. For that matter - I have no IDEA whey we take in so many foreign students into our universities. We teach them how to build nuclear power plants, weapons, satellites and everything else. Let them get educated in their own countries.
We should limit immigration to people who have lived in America for 5 or more years on work visa's who have proven themselves to be productive citizens and would like to stay. We might allow a few elderly relatives and children of those people in as well. Otherwise? Get out! We have enough of our own problems.
I think the only controversy should be about how to defend our thousands of miles of borders and coastlines against people coming through. That's just a practical issue.
I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised at your attitude on this, CB - Great post.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#16215 Jun 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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I think I wasn't clear, but I also was falling into the "an immigration bill is inevitable" trap. I want the borders secure regardless, it is asinine that we do not have an enforceable border. Forget the illegal workers for now, considering the threat from radical Islamists, there is no excuse for our elected officials to have not made the border a major priority after 9/11. That is how the argument should have been framed all along - not as a matter of keeping illegal aliens out, but a matter of keeping those who would do us harm out. The rest would be simply a side benefit.
And for those who decry a secure border as somehow being cruel and hateful - how about we just take the same approach to our southern border and illegals as Mexico does to its southern border and its illegals:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/344042...
Simply Brilliant. Your best post thus far. A++++

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16216 Jun 22, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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Your for a bill if the borders are secured. Our borders should already be secured regardless. Border security is just another talking point to confuse the American people and the whole immigration issue. Well that is never going to happen and you know it. The only way to defuse the whole thing is to force the government to obey the laws on the books now. We need to start all over and not allow Illegal aliens to take American jobs or American government benefits.
The illegals that are now here are criminals as they purposely entered this country illegally. It is said that they just wanted a better life and to have some wealth. Well so does a bank robber. They are both criminals. People will say that the illegals just want to feed their poor family. Well so do some bank robbers. Would it be less of a crime if the robber robbed a Seven Eleven convenience store instead of a bank? It is still a crime.
The government has been using the 11 million illegal alien numbers for the last 20 years. Anyone with common sense knows that these figures are not true. There have been many reports of late that say 30 to 40 million illegal aliens are now in this country.
All this immigration bill is for is to make 30 to 40 million illegal aliens legal. Why not be honest about it and just say that? If the politicians did,they know the public would not approve of it
I am against any immigration bill and want these illegal aliens to go back to their country and enter the United States legally and abide by the U.S. immigration laws. They are no better than any other person from any other country in the world that wishes to become a U.S. citizen. Many are Mexican and other Latin American countries but there are also people from many other countries here illegally. Makes no difference to me.
Politicians need to quit sugar coating the whole issue and stop acting like they are trying to help the poor down trodden. They are helping themselves and big business.
Although I agree with deportation and starting over, that will NEVER happen in a million years. The libs would riot in the streets. They don't seem to realize how the massive influx of people from Mexico will hurt their own quality of life. At any rate, you are most likely right that it's just a foot in the door and then they'll be granted amnesty. Everything and every place will be overcrowded. Some Democrat(Shumer?) will complain that the bill(if passed) requires TOO MUCH TIME before someone can become legal and then it's off to the races. To put it in simple terms: It's too late.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#16217 Jun 22, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
In case I didn't make it clear in the post above - My point when I said:
" I have no IDEA whey we take in so many foreign students into our universities. We teach them how to build nuclear power plants, weapons, satellites and everything else. Let them get educated in their own countries."
is that we're devaluing American knowledge. If the rest of the world isn't educated here - and they can't stay on the cutting edge - then those countries need the services of people who DO have that type of infrastructure - thus creating demand for American ingenuity and products.
Missed you. I can't believe it but once again I totally agree with you. Illegals sneaking into our country and all these foreign students soaking up our knowledge and skills to take back to their countries kill American jobs.
The large American companies that operate overseas get the benefit of much of these U.S. trained students as well as countries that use the technology against us.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16218 Jun 22, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>just one more example, I know a beautiful young lady that reads this forum daily(maybe even hourly) and yet has never posted(once or twice) even though she may the smartest person that I have ever met. She just tries to protect me. Imagine that.
Geeee. Thanks, Jeb.(I know. I know. I just couldn't resist.)

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16219 Jun 22, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
I am back on the immigration kick. The government acknowledges that over 46 million dollars in fraudulent refunds went to unauthorized aliens. What the h*ll is a unauthorized alien.
I read the article and came to the conclusion that illegal aliens are ripping off the government and the government doesn't know who it is sending the money to.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-sent-4637...
It's maddening, but I'm not surprised. Apparently, it is VERY EASY to game our system. Lord knows enough people seem to be doing it. I've met people whom I suspected of gaming the system and believe me, they weren't Rhodes Scholars. That is why I think it must be stupid study to be able to do it.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#16220 Jun 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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Geeee. Thanks, Jeb.(I know. I know. I just couldn't resist.)
LoL. Thanks, Syn. I needed that. WoW.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16221 Jun 22, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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I haven't been posting much lately, time's been hard to come by. But I still skim through here a good bit.
Immigration? I haven't really been paying attention to who's saying what about it lately.
My opinion is that America is for Americans. If you're not supposed to be here you get nothing but deported. For that matter - I have no IDEA whey we take in so many foreign students into our universities. We teach them how to build nuclear power plants, weapons, satellites and everything else. Let them get educated in their own countries.
We should limit immigration to people who have lived in America for 5 or more years on work visa's who have proven themselves to be productive citizens and would like to stay. We might allow a few elderly relatives and children of those people in as well. Otherwise? Get out! We have enough of our own problems.
I think the only controversy should be about how to defend our thousands of miles of borders and coastlines against people coming through. That's just a practical issue.
Good post. The only thing I might add is that there should be a LIMIT to the number of children.
At the very least, the babies that illegals are having here now should NOT be considered American citizens. THAT ticks me off. Half the Hispanics I see are knocked up and I'll bet you a nickel to a bottle of stump water that they are illegal.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16222 Jun 22, 2013
billybob wrote:
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You do know there is a bill making its way toward the house that is the total opposite of the tripe you posted. You do realize the path to citizenship is for the ones what have built a life in this county and supported it in many ways, including paying taxes. What major influx of citizenship is going to occur with increased border security and a pathway to citizenship for people who have already made a life here, doing jobs people like you refuse to do for wages people like you refuse to take?? A pathway to citizenship is not for everyone that looks like a Mexican, you do know that don't you, I sure hope so. But it seems like you are off in a world created by your mind, such as it is.
Please explain how my or even your quality of life will be affected by putting up barriers and adding more security along the Mexican border. How is providing a PATHWAY to citizenship for people who already live and work here is going to affect your quality of life, please let us know.
Just curious. If they are illegal, they are paying sales taxes, but how about income taxes? They take advantage of our resources, but don't pay income tax. You call what I post tripe? You are completely IGNORANT(I already know that) if you can't determine how a massive influx of people in quest of American citizenship will affect the quality of your life. If you are capable, how about thinking on that one for a bit.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#16223 Jun 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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Good post. The only thing I might add is that there should be a LIMIT to the number of children.
At the very least, the babies that illegals are having here now should NOT be considered American citizens. THAT ticks me off. Half the Hispanics I see are knocked up and I'll bet you a nickel to a bottle of stump water that they are illegal.
Yep. That's how they're rapin the DFCS system.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16224 Jun 22, 2013
What wrote:
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You haven't responded to my post about the EPA failing to do their job. When are you going to address that issue.
Don't expect much cerebral volley from billybob. Bless his heart.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#16225 Jun 22, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>LoL. Thanks, Syn. I needed that. WoW.
Well, dang. It ain't THAT funny.:)))

Since: Nov 12

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#16226 Jun 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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Good post. The only thing I might add is that there should be a LIMIT to the number of children.
At the very least, the babies that illegals are having here now should NOT be considered American citizens. THAT ticks me off. Half the Hispanics I see are knocked up and I'll bet you a nickel to a bottle of stump water that they are illegal.
Absolutely, to me it seems obvious that if a child is born to parents who are here illegally, the child should not be considered an automatic citizen. It isn't cruel, it's rational.
gem bank

Decatur, GA

#16227 Jun 22, 2013
jeb stuart

Cordele, GA

#16228 Jun 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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Geeee. Thanks, Jeb.(I know. I know. I just couldn't resist.)
you and OMTE are kidda mean tonite, but I forgive both of you.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#16229 Jun 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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Well, dang. It ain't THAT funny.:)))
It was pretty dang funny. ;)
jeb stuart

Cordele, GA

#16230 Jun 22, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>LoL. Thanks, Syn. I needed that. WoW.
Just in case y'all have not noticed, I am on super-strict, double-lock probation(animal house-type) no idea how long that it will last.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#16231 Jun 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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I think I wasn't clear, but I also was falling into the "an immigration bill is inevitable" trap. I want the borders secure regardless, it is asinine that we do not have an enforceable border. Forget the illegal workers for now, considering the threat from radical Islamists, there is no excuse for our elected officials to have not made the border a major priority after 9/11. That is how the argument should have been framed all along - not as a matter of keeping illegal aliens out, but a matter of keeping those who would do us harm out. The rest would be simply a side benefit.
And for those who decry a secure border as somehow being cruel and hateful - how about we just take the same approach to our southern border and illegals as Mexico does to its southern border and its illegals:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/344042...

The first thing is that these crooked lawmakers want us to think that the bill is inevitable so we must take whatever they decide to give.
The second thing is America is being hoodwinked into letting the politicians put border security on the table with this bill. It is just a trick to get your mind off the actual immigration bill. What does border security really have to do with immigration? Only that it should already be there and should not even be thought of. It should be taken as a given that we have protected and secure borders to start with.
The third thing is that we are being bullied and pc"ed into thinking we owe these illegal border crosser's everything that they and our sellout politicians are demanding. All they should get is a trip back to their own country and a chance to become a citizen using our immigration laws.

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