Informed Opinion

Portland, OR

#12257 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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The Straw Man strikes again!
So, all right wingers don't care about our troops? What a crock.
And the Liberaces do? What a crock.
5,000 American troops dead for no reason except the lies and corruption of the Bush Gang of Right Wing Wacko criminals - it was Yaaaaawwwnnn.
60 people killed at 13 attacks against embassies and consulates when Right Wing Wackos in charge and Yaaaaaawnn some more.
Yea, Right Wing Wackos care so much they almost did something when the body bags were filled.
Wait... they did... they complained they might be taxed to support the war they loved so much.
Spare us - you all lost any credibility to complain when your didn't demand any investigations into the dead troops, but now you're all sooooo excited.

Hey, prove me wrong ... show me the posts where you demanded investigations into the lies that got us into Iraq, and the attacks on the embassies and consulates when the Right Wing Wackos were in charge.
Danger Zone

Atlanta, GA

#12258 May 19, 2013
The death tax hike is so unfair, it's outrageous. Thank the democrats.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12259 May 19, 2013
columbus native wrote:
<quoted text>Well this poor creature has cooked brains so you can expect the most outlandish comments. I don't know why he is so Obtuse?
There's something wrong with that Bored boy. Seriously. Bad wiring.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12260 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
clueless and uneducated
Everybody take a shot! Bourbon this time!

At this point I think he's just trying to get us wasted.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#12261 May 19, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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...
Hey, prove me wrong ... show me the posts where you demanded investigations into the lies that got us into Iraq, and the attacks on the embassies and consulates when the Right Wing Wackos were in charge.
The Straw Man King strikes yet again...

So I would have posts showing I demanded something? Where? On Topix? Prove I didn't do something.

Your lack of logic is only surpassed by...oh, heck, it's not even worth it...
Informed Opinion

Portland, OR

#12262 May 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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Going in reverse order:
I
==========
nschools compete for that tax money.
Your turn.
As to mandatory public service- We already have mandatory public service, but it's only mandatory for Americans from families without other options. It should be mandatory for All Americans. We wouldn't be wasting Trillions of dollars and thousands of our troops if the "elite"s children might be forced to risk being blown to bits in the sand of Iraq along with the poor kid from rural Georgia, or the Bronx.

As to unions - With the destruction of unions and the resulting drop in tax affected wages, the loss of benefits, the loss of pensions, the drop in home ownership, and all the other indicia of the destruction of the middle class,
along with
the incredible increase in productivity of the American worker that has caused the explosion in profits, the astounding amounts of cash held in reserve onshore and off shore, and the explosion in executive compensation,
and it seems impossible to me to argue that unions aren't essential to maintain the balance between capital and labor.

If the facts aren't sufficient, then simple common sense tells you that the Georgia giy with three kids and a wife to support is never, in a million years, going to be able to negotiate with a multi-billion dollar company over wages and benefits.

Remember a corporation is an amoral profit making entity whose sole purpose is to pay as little as possible for labor and other expenses, and charge as much as possible for the service or product. Corporations better be trying to screw employees- or they aren't doing their job.

Especially as to teachers unions - Why America would want to disassemble public eduction is amazing to me. The countries I visit respect and honor teachers and pay them as professionals at the highest amount that can be afforded.

That's why their kids kick our kids' butts academically.

That's why we send our kids to public schools in a district where we voted to pay higher school taxes than anywhere else nearby - to provide our kids better schools and pay higher salaries to teachers - so we get and maintain the best ones. In addition, our family hires a tutor to help our kids with their A-P classes and with Spanish. Our business has opened accounts at office supply stores and the kids' teachers simply have to order anything and everything they want online and its delivered to their classroom, and charged to the business.

When you test the kids in our kids' classroom, that teacher is a genius.

Compare that with the school district less than 30 miles away where the majority of the kids attend school less than 68% of the days. 40% don;t speak English as their primary language. 95% come form families so poor they get free breakfast, lunch, and supplies. 60% come from single parent homes with the parent having less than a grade school education.

That district also has a large number of "special needs" students - do you think a charter school would like to spend the extra tens of thousands each of those kids require? Under your plan- don't they get thrown in the ditch ?

Those teachers must be deserve to be fired because their kids' test scores suck.

Vouchers only make it worse by diverting funds the schools desperately need to "special" schools for the chosen few. The majority suffer to benefit the few.

If we want to create a permanent uneducated "serf" underclass class: to be cheap, exploitable labor for the few with the funds to exploit them for manual labor at great profit, and require the taxpayer to provide medical care at the public hospital for the serfs, and subsidized housing because the Serfs cannot afford to buy or rent decent homes, we are well on the way.

Wait... haven't I just described the Walton Family and WalMart.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#12263 May 19, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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There's something wrong with that Bored boy. Seriously. Bad wiring.
And The King of Irony strikes again, too...
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12264 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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Most Americans can spell, use proper punctuation AND provide a cogent thought. You're not one of them.
I hate to say it Bill, but you're giving "Most Americans" way more credit than they're due.

http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/201...
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12265 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
Reminds me of a statement made by Nicolas Cage in the movie, "Con Air", something similar to (I've added to it):
There's only a few people in this world that I really care about what they think of me. None of them are on this board.
Kinda reminds one of junior high or high school.
Holy Guacamole, Batman!

He didn't say "clueless and uneducated", "irony" or even insult anybody in a very specific way.

The apocalypse is neigh.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12266 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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irony
False alarm. Everything is normal.

2 points for everybody. Only take a shot if you want one.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12267 May 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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Benghazi - The questions about the lack of security and even the reduction in security were enough to justify inquiry, but what makes no sense at all is the REASON for all those misleading changes to the talking points - why was the State Dept (and whomever else was involved) so in knots about parsing every word in the talking points and why continue the fiction about a video that they knew was fiction.
It isn't so much they made all the changes and continued to blame a video - it is WHY they did those things that on their face are so STUPID.
And do you really not want to know WHO told military support to stand down, when they were ready to go and help Americans in danger and were just begging for permission? I think you would feel differently if it were one of your family members who were seemingly abandoned.
(and no, I don't think it was Obama, I just want to know who it was and once again, WHY?)
Lack of security - due to the Republicans cutting funding by 331 Million dollars for embassy security.

Talking points - Multiple agencies with different concerns needed to coordinate. What you saw was different departments of government working together responsibly before going on TV to give national security information to the American public. If the Republicans wouldn't have done the same thing, they sure don't need to be in charge of the White House again.
Aggie23 wrote:
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The IRS - HOW can you not see the danger when a government entity with the absolute power the IRS wields goes after organizations that "it" (meaning those in positions of power) disagrees with. And even more frightening - having as one of the criteria for "extra scrutiny" the simple phrase "criticize the government". Do you really care so little about the 1st Amendment?
I do not believe, and the evidence supports that belief , that this was just low level employees. The IG report states DC supervisor involvement as well as involvement of IRS personnel in California, not just Ohio. But even if it were "just" low level employees, don't you think it should bother you that they felt they could get away with harassing organizations simply because THEY disagreed with them? It should.
There's over a 100,000 employees working for the IRS. That's about the exact population of every man, woman and child in West Palm Beach Florida or Burbank California. That's a lot of people. A LOT. Couple that with the fact that they've suffered MASSIVE funding cuts (REPUBLICANS!!)- and things happen. They get straightened out.

There are REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES that happen when you vote Republican - and they're NEVER good ones.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12268 May 19, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh! And you loonie liberal socialist commie lunatics don't need to check YOURSELVES? THAT is why you'll NEVER convince anyone else that you have the best interests of this country at heart. You aren't to be trusted because you are "right fighters." Nothing else matters to you but "winning'.
That's hilarious coming from you. You wouldn't give two sh!ts if Yertle the Turtle was running our government as long as Obama wasn't.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12269 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, I think you hear your wife telling you to plunge the toilet after your latest output...
I think that's Will Ferrals wife. She gets pretty upset about him sometimes.
Informed Opinion

Portland, OR

#12270 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
The Straw Man King strikes yet again...
So I would have posts showing I demanded something? Where? On Topix? Prove I didn't do something.
Your lack of logic is only surpassed by...oh, heck, it's not even worth it...
Thank you for your confession.

Your admission that Right Wing Wackos only complain when you see an opportunity to possibly score a political point, regardless how small and insignificant, and regardless of the damge RWW foolishness causes to the country.

Right Wing Wackos didn't care that 5,000 America troops were killed to get a fellow RWW re-elected president - nope - no problem.

Right Wing Wackos didn't care when 60 people were killed in 3 attacks on American embassies and consulates when RWWs were inc charge - nope - no problem.

But DAMN.. 2 CIA mercenaries and 2 State department officers killed in some CIA compound in Libya when a Democrat is in charge and ....LORD SAVE US...the whole world has ended - dogs and cats living together, Armageddon, we demand investigations, people need top be jailed.

And you wonder why anyone with an IQ higher than their neighbors cow just can't take you seriously.

If the hypocrisy was any more obvious even you might see it.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12271 May 19, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
clueless and uneducated
Take a shot. That is, if you have a bottle left that isn't empty by now.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12272 May 19, 2013
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
Their problem is that the LWLD's have no idea of what they want. Progressive taxes? Hell, it don't get more progressive than Fairtax.org .
Great Zod Man! There's something wrong with you.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12273 May 19, 2013
Interesting:

In early April Obama's approval rating was at 51%. Today it's at 53%.

It's going up. Sane Americans see the politicizing the Republicans are doing and rejecting it.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#12274 May 19, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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None are close to moderate or progressive.
Everyone mentioned is far to the right of Dwight Eisenhower for God's sake.
Clinton signed NAFTA that destroyed millions of American jobs, but added trillions to the profits of corporations who moved those jobs to Mexico.
That's a Right Winger, and he has been repaid in millions and millions of dollars in "contributions" to his "Library",$1 Million Dollar "speeches", and seats on boards of manufactures companies.
Dodd has protected the boards of banks and corporations more the anyone else, providing weak, toothless regulations on banks and corporations to assure no actual oversight occurs.
He is repairs with Millions in contributions.
Elizabeth Warren is the only true moderate in the Senate- and she was not encouraged or supported to the extent she should have been, in fact, Obama refused to appoint to regulating position(s) because the banks hated her so.
Obama is Bush with a brain, and as long as Right Wing Wackos keep accusing him of being liberal, the actual Right Wing money folks just sit back and laugh at you all.

Some could infer this is a post of a far right winger from what he has said, but only if one forgets he is a Socialist.

The only inference one can get is the poster is totally confused in assuming a moderate is the same as a progressive when the "progressive" term is an euphemism for socialism, not a moderate stance at all.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#12275 May 19, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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That isn't all that tough.
All countries do best when they enjoy a strong and growing Middle Class.
A string and growing Middle Class requires governmental policies that encourage the distribution of wealth throughout the populace.
That is accomplished by tax policies that discourage the outrageous accumulation of wealth into the hands of a few - Progressive taxes on all income and inheritance taxes, strong laws encouraging collective bargaining, and well-funded public education.
Democracy cannot survive if power is purchased by those with the most wealth. That means contributions (a/k/a bribes), have to be limited to small donations from Americans,(persons), not corporations, unions, PACs, or other entities.
Democracy requires everyone share responsibility and sacrifice. That means everyone serves 2 years military service unless they're disabled, in which case they serve 3 years public no military service.
Basically we're describing America under Republicans like Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt.

No, you're not describing America under Republicans like Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt.

What you are describing is a watered downed version of Trotskyism.

Otherwise known as IO's own little version of government.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#12276 May 19, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
As to mandatory public service- We already have mandatory public service, but it's only mandatory for Americans from families without other options. It should be mandatory for All Americans. We wouldn't be wasting Trillions of dollars and thousands of our troops if the "elite"s children might be forced to risk being blown to bits in the sand of Iraq along with the poor kid from rural Georgia, or the Bronx.
As to unions - With the destruction of unions and the resulting drop in tax affected wages, the loss of benefits, the loss of pensions, the drop in home ownership, and all the other indicia of the destruction of the middle class,
along with
the incredible increase in productivity of the American worker that has caused the explosion in profits, the astounding amounts of cash held in reserve onshore and off shore, and the explosion in executive compensation,
and it seems impossible to me to argue that unions aren't essential to maintain the balance between capital and labor.
If the facts aren't sufficient, then simple common sense tells you that the Georgia giy with three kids and a wife to support is never, in a million years, going to be able to negotiate with a multi-billion dollar company over wages and benefits.
Remember a corporation is an amoral profit making entity whose sole purpose is to pay as little as possible for labor and other expenses, and charge as much as possible for the service or product. Corporations better be trying to screw employees- or they aren't doing their job.
Especially as to teachers unions - Why America would want to disassemble public eduction is amazing to me. The countries I visit respect and honor teachers and pay them as professionals at the highest amount that can be afforded.
That's why their kids kick our kids' butts academically.
That's why we send our kids to public schools in a district where we voted to pay higher school taxes than anywhere else nearby - to provide our kids better schools and pay higher salaries to teachers - so we get and maintain the best ones. In addition, our family hires a tutor to help our kids with their A-P classes and with Spanish. Our business has opened accounts at office supply stores and the kids' teachers simply have to order anything and everything they want online and its delivered to their classroom, and charged to the business.
When you test the kids in our kids' classroom, that teacher is a genius.
Compare that with the school district less than 30 miles away where the majority of the kids attend school less than 68% of the days. 40% don;t speak English as their primary language. 95% come form families so poor they get free breakfast, lunch, and supplies. 60% come from single parent homes with the parent having less than a grade school education.
That district also has a large number of "special needs" students - do you think a charter school would like to spend the extra tens of thousands each of those kids require? Under your plan- don't they get thrown in the ditch ?
Those teachers must be deserve to be fired because their kids' test scores suck.
Vouchers only make it worse by diverting funds the schools desperately need to "special" schools for the chosen few. The majority suffer to benefit the few.
If we want to create a permanent uneducated "serf" underclass class: to be cheap, exploitable labor for the few with the funds to exploit them for manual labor at great profit, and require the taxpayer to provide medical care at the public hospital for the serfs, and subsidized housing because the Serfs cannot afford to buy or rent decent homes, we are well on the way.
Wait... haven't I just described the Walton Family and WalMart.

A drunken attempt to explain the failure we see in a lot of school systems. Have another drink and calm down fella before you blow a gasket.

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