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Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#7441 Apr 21, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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That would be from the 1954 revision of the Pledge of Alligence, just a tad later than the US Constitution which is the founding document of this country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegi...
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist,[3] and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898).
(American Exceptionalism)
Prior to February 1954, no endeavor to get the Pledge officially amended succeeded. The final successful push came from George MacPherson Docherty. Some American presidents honored Lincoln's birthday by attending services at the church Lincoln attended, New York Avenue Presbyterian Church by sitting in Lincoln's pew on the Sunday nearest February 12. On February 7, 1954, with President Eisenhower sitting in Lincoln's pew, the church's pastor, George MacPherson Docherty, delivered a sermon based on the Gettysburg Address titled "A New Birth of Freedom." He argued that the nation's might lay not in arms but its spirit and higher purpose. He noted that the Pledge's sentiments could be those of any nation, that "there was something missing in the pledge, and that which was missing was the characteristic and definitive factor in the American way of life." He cited Lincoln's words "under God" as defining words that set the United States apart from other nations.
President Eisenhower had been baptized a Presbyterian very recently, just a year before. He responded enthusiastically to Docherty in a conversation following the service. Eisenhower acted on his suggestion the next day and on February 8, 1954, Rep. Charles Oakman (R-Mich.), introduced a bill to that effect. Congress passed the necessary legislation and Eisenhower signed the bill into law on Flag Day, June 14, 1954.[17] Eisenhower stated "From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural school house, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.... In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war."[18]
The phrase "under God" was incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance June 14, 1954, by a Joint Resolution of Congress amending §4 of the Flag Code enacted in 1942.
...One objection[22] states that a democratic republic built on freedom of dissent should not require its citizens to pledge allegiance to it, and that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution protects one's right to refrain from speaking or standing (also a form of speech).[21] Another objection lies in the fact that the people who are most likely to recite the Pledge every day, small children in schools, cannot really give their consent or even completely understand the Pledge they are taking.
SO? Why teach children the ABC's as they might learn to read. Why tell children not to play with fire? Why teach children right from wrong? Perhaps to help them not to become criminals when they get older? To actually fit into a society of free people? What is your point?
Farrell Landon

Washington, DC

#7442 Apr 21, 2013
Yaaaaawn. You guys must watch the news snd just transcribe here? Bunch of mindless fu***ng sheep.
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#7443 Apr 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
I wasn't changing the argument at all as Jefferson never makes the argument for freedom from religion, his argument is always freedom OF religion, which necessitates that the "freedom FROM religion" that so many try to support with his "separation" quote is faulty at best, a deliberate twisting at worst. Our Founders absolutely saw a place for public worship, while never demanding that all bow in the same form of worship.
Sorry, but you can't separate one from the other, Freedon of Reilgion and Freedom from Religion are two sides of the same coin.

When the Supreme Court stopped the reading of daily devotionals over the PA System in my elementary school it did not prohibit public worship, Christians still had numerous churches to attend, but it did disentangle the state from promoting religion.

Perhaps you could explain how public worship is currently prohibited, because I see many doezens of churches within our small community, I see street corner preachers hawking their wares, I see people praying in public, I see the open display of religion on private property during religious holidays, I see religious opinions expressed in the local paper and on public message boards like this.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson

Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptists
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#7444 Apr 22, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
SO? Why teach children the ABC's as they might learn to read. Why tell children not to play with fire? Why teach children right from wrong? Perhaps to help them not to become criminals when they get older? To actually fit into a society of free people? What is your point?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegi...
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898).
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Well, Bigdave1, knowing that you are a staunch anti-communist I'm surprised that you would champion anything coming from the mind of a socialist, as many on this board have stated liberal, progressive, socialist, communist, it's all the same thing.

Beyond that little inconsistency, I've got to wonder how much educational value the Pledge of Alligence really has when compared to a class in Civics or American History. Course it has great value for those that put stock in the reciting of words, the wearing of lapel badges, and other public displays of patriotism and piety. As has been stated on these very pages, you can't be an American unless you're willing to take the Pledge, and pity all those unsaved souls who came before it's offical acceptance in 1942.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#7445 Apr 22, 2013
The Jobless Trap
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: April 21, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/opinion/kru... ;

...The key question is whether workers who have been unemployed for a long time eventually come to be seen as unemployable, tainted goods that nobody will buy. This could happen because their work skills atrophy, but a more likely reason is that potential employers assume that something must be wrong with people who can’t find a job, even if the real reason is simply the terrible economy. And there is, unfortunately, growing evidence that the tainting of the long-term unemployed is happening as we speak.

One piece of evidence comes from the relationship between job openings and unemployment. Normally these two numbers move inversely: the more job openings, the fewer Americans out of work. And this traditional relationship remains true if we look at short-term unemployment. But as William Dickens and Rand Ghayad of Northeastern University recently showed, the relationship has broken down for the long-term unemployed: a rising number of job openings doesn’t seem to do much to reduce their numbers. It’s as if employers don’t even bother looking at anyone who has been out of work for a long time.

To test this hypothesis, Mr. Ghayad then did an experiment, sending out résumés describing the qualifications and employment history of 4,800 fictitious workers. Who got called back? The answer was that workers who reported having been unemployed for six months or more got very few callbacks, even when all their other qualifications were better than those of workers who did attract employer interest.

...And let’s be clear: this is a policy decision. The main reason our economic recovery has been so weak is that, spooked by fear-mongering over debt, we’ve been doing exactly what basic macroeconomics says you shouldn’t do — cutting government spending in the face of a depressed economy.

It’s hard to overstate how self-destructive this policy is. Indeed, the shadow of long-term unemployment means that austerity policies are counterproductive even in purely fiscal terms. Workers, after all, are taxpayers too; if our debt obsession exiles millions of Americans from productive employment, it will cut into future revenues and raise future deficits.

Our exaggerated fear of debt is, in short, creating a slow-motion catastrophe. It’s ruining many lives, and at the same time making us poorer and weaker in every way. And the longer we persist in this folly, the greater the damage will be.
Scott

United States

#7446 Apr 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegi...
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898).
..........
Well, Bigdave1, knowing that you are a staunch anti-communist I'm surprised that you would champion anything coming from the mind of a socialist, as many on this board have stated liberal, progressive, socialist, communist, it's all the same thing.
Beyond that little inconsistency, I've got to wonder how much educational value the Pledge of Alligence really has when compared to a class in Civics or American History. Course it has great value for those that put stock in the reciting of words, the wearing of lapel badges, and other public displays of patriotism and piety. As has been stated on these very pages, you can't be an American unless you're willing to take the Pledge, and pity all those unsaved souls who came before it's offical acceptance in 1942.
Well, ok then. Let's just get rid of the Pledge. While we are at it, we can get rid of the American flag and the national anthem. We sure don't want to offend anyone. Maybe your "President" could write an Executive Order that would make it unlawful for anyone to show any kind or pride in his or her country.
prefer

Reidsville, GA

#7447 Apr 22, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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SO? Why teach children the ABC's as they might learn to read. Why tell children not to play with fire? Why teach children right from wrong? Perhaps to help them not to become criminals when they get older? To actually fit into a society of free people? What is your point?
ABC's so they can function and be productive in today’s society

Playing with fire to protect themselves and others in a caring society.

Right and wrong to protect themselves and others, and keep them out of jail in a civil society.

I think the point is schools should teach children needed skills so they can function in society and form their OWN opinions about such things as saying the Pledge of Allegiance and religious beliefs. A little different than the brain washing used by Hitler, many others in complete control of a people and most religions just to promote their agendas.
Bored

Nashville, TN

#7448 Apr 22, 2013
prefer wrote:
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I think the point is schools should teach children needed skills so they can function in society and form their OWN opinions about such things as saying the Pledge of Allegiance and religious beliefs. A little different than the brain washing used by Hitler, many others in complete control of a people and most religions just to promote their agendas.
The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.

Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#7449 Apr 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
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The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.
Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
Want to try again?

Definition of AGENDA
1
: a list or outline of things to be considered or done
2
: an underlying often ideological plan or program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commission
The Great Commission of Christianity is the instruction of the resurrected Jesus Christ to his disciples that they spread his teachings to all the nations of the world. It has become a tenet in Christian theology emphasizing ministry, missionary work, evangelism, and baptism.
first hand

Reidsville, GA

#7450 Apr 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
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The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.
Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
If you think the people sitting at the heads of various religious organizations from the top to the local levels don't have an agenda you don't understand the meaning of the word. The local chamber at each meeting has an agenda, as do most meetings that involve more than two people. Back to school for you, the meaning of the word and it only has ONE. "AGENDA, A list or program of things to be done or considered." Next time you are bored try reading, something, anything. Or maybe go to a local meeting and meet other living breathing humans and observe an agenda first hand.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#7451 Apr 22, 2013
prefer wrote:
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ABC's so they can function and be productive in today’s society
Playing with fire to protect themselves and others in a caring society.
Right and wrong to protect themselves and others, and keep them out of jail in a civil society.
I think the point is schools should teach children needed skills so they can function in society and form their OWN opinions about such things as saying the Pledge of Allegiance and religious beliefs. A little different than the brain washing used by Hitler, many others in complete control of a people and most religions just to promote their agendas.
WOW! You compare The Pledge of Allegiance to Adolf Hitler.
I guess the Boy Scouts oath is also dangerous and will also cause people to become criminals.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7452 Apr 22, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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WOW! You compare The Pledge of Allegiance to Adolf Hitler.
I guess the Boy Scouts oath is also dangerous and will also cause people to become criminals.
Welcome to the wonderful world of moral relativism. It's a specialty of the Left.
Informed Opinion

La Fayette, GA

#7453 Apr 22, 2013
dont understand wrote:
<quoted text>I don't understand your gripe, we have freedom of religion. We have military chaplains paid for by the government. You can pray in school, at work anywhere you want. Your problem is you want it all to be about your God. The First Amendment to the country's Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It guarantees the free exercise of religion while also preventing the government from establishing a state religion. The Supreme Court has also interpreted this as preventing the government from having any authority in religion.
Its freedom of religion, any religion not just yours. The religions practiced in the United States include Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Baha'i Faith, Buddhism, Hinduism, Janism, Sikhism and the no religion beliefs of Agnostics, Atheists and Humanism. They all play by the same rules, canÂ’t do it in government places, we donÂ’t have a one religion government, thanks to the foresight of our forefathers. The founders of this country came to escape religious percussion. They were running from the one church one specific religious concepts of England. The According to a 2002 survey by the Pew forum, nearly 6 in 10 Americans said that religion plays an important role in their lives. ItÂ’s not just about the Christian religion, itÂ’s all religions. When you are willing to allow all religious to celebrate their religious holidays and beliefs in public places you might have an argument. It would be a nightmare for employers and schools, but who cares.
In 1963, 90% of Americans claimed to be Christians; 2% professed no religious identity. In 2012, the percentage of Christians was closer to 70%; 13% claim no religious identity. Keep pushing intolerance of others and the numbers will continue to fall.
I knew a judge who once said that the way he dealt with Christian requests to use government buildings or property for Christian based events, he'd ask himself what he'd do if the request had come from Muslims.

If if was OK for those who worship Allah then it was fine for Christians.

Of course he made these comments after he retired - after all judges are elected.
Informed Opinion

La Fayette, GA

#7454 Apr 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but you can't separate one from the other, Freedon of Reilgion and Freedom from Religion are two sides of the same coin.

When the Supreme Court stopped the reading of daily devotionals over the PA System in my elementary school it did not prohibit public worship, Christians still had numerous churches to attend, but it did disentangle the state from promoting religion.

Perhaps you could explain how public worship is currently prohibited, because I see many doezens of churches within our small community, I see street corner preachers hawking their wares, I see people praying in public, I see the open display of religion on private property during religious holidays, I see religious opinions expressed in the local paper and on public message boards like this.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson

Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptists
Jefferson was a smart guy.
Informed Opinion

La Fayette, GA

#7455 Apr 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.

Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.

Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.

Sorry - that's just the facts.

domino

Greer, SC

#7456 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.
Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.
Sorry - that's just the facts.
You have totally lost your mind. Jesus is against abortions and he certainly is against homosexuals. read your Bible!

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7457 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Jefferson was a smart guy.
Yes, and he would be appalled at the direction the party he helped organize has taken. He would be horrified by the growth of the federal government that the Democratic party has encouraged and continues to promote. He was a staunch believer in limited government and believed that government activities should be limited to those activities that are NECESSARY (not "desired") and that the government ALONE could do. He would look at all the aid programs as a threat to the self reliance that all people should strive for. I'm not saying he would be a Republican either, in all likelihood - he would be a Libertarian, but most assuredly NOT a Democrat.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7458 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.
Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.
Sorry - that's just the facts.
You have written many foolish things on here, but you take the cake when you keep trying to claim that Jesus would be a liberal. To trivialize Jesus in terms of what political bent He would take is insulting. But to look at the positions that a "liberal" would take and to then claim that Jesus would be in agreement is to do nothing but illustrate your ignorance of the Gospel. Make all the arguments you want to support the liberal agenda you are so enamored with, but out of respect for the Christian faith, kindly leave Jesus out of your arguments.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#7459 Apr 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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You have written many foolish things on here,...
Ain't that the truth...

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#7460 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.
Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.
Sorry - that's just the facts.
You again prove to the whole world that you do not know the "facts". I suggest that you spend less time at the keyboard typing things that you know nothing about and start reading the New Testament.

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