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Toccoa, GA

#25725 Sep 28, 2013

It’s all about the money folks, who gets it and who gives it.
Infinitesimal climate change over a 132 year period only infects the brains of those who are greedy for someone else’s money.

2013 Working Group 1 report here…..the final report will be Monday Sept 30th.
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploa ...

The globally averaged combined land and ocean surface temperature data as calculated by a
linear trend, show a warming of 0.85 [0.65 to 1.06]°C over the period 1880–2012, when
multiple independently produced datasets exist.

The total increase between the average of the
1850–1900 period and the 2003–2012 period is 0.78 [0.72 to 0.85]°C, based on the single
longest dataset available””

For the first set of years, 1880-2012
.65 C = 33.17 degree
1.06 c = 33.908 The 2 numbers above produce a temperature rise of .85c or .738 degree, less than 1 degree temperature change over the period 1880-2012, which is a total of 132 years.

The Ice age was appox 10,000 years ago and it has taken that long to melt most of the ice (Glaciers), which shows the Earth is in a normal warming cycle.

The second set of numbers for years 1850-1900 and 2003-2012
.72c = 33.296 degrees
.85c = 33.53 degrees

The 2 numbers above produce a temperature rise of 13c or .234 degree, less than one quarter of 1 degree temperature change over the periods of 1850-1900 and 2003-2012 which is a total of 69 years.



132 years and only less than a 1 degree increase in warming, The numbers come from the IPPC and show the hysteria put out by the greenies and the Gores and the socialists are nothing but hyperbole.

The whole report is much ado about little, especially when the weather is not determined by man, computer models, or carbon credits.

Mother Nature will have her way, regardless of insignificant foolish man.
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Toccoa, GA

#25726 Sep 28, 2013
Temperatures and heat have only accumalted sonce around 1850, specifically less then 1 degree per this years IPPC report.

"The Little Ice Age, following the historically warm temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950 to 1250, has been attributed to natural cycles in solar activity, particularly sunspots. A period of sharply lower sunspot activity known as the Wolf Minimum began in 1280 and persisted for 70 years until 1350. That was followed by a period of even lower sunspot activity that lasted 90 years from 1460 to 1550 known as the Sporer Minimum. During the period 1645 to 1715, the low point of the Little Ice Age, the number of sunspots declined to zero for the entire time. This is known as the Maunder Minimum, named after English astronomer Walter Maunder. That was followed by the Dalton Minimum from 1790 to 1830, another period of well below normal sunspot activity."

"The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013...


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Toccoa, GA

#25727 Sep 28, 2013
OMTE wrote:
How bout them Dawgs!!!!:))))
WOOF WOOF!!!!!
corso

Cordele, GA

#25728 Sep 29, 2013
Now wrote:
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WOOF WOOF!!!!!
how did you know he was talking about your ugly ass!!!!
Polemics

Douglasville, GA

#25729 Sep 29, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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Talk about personal agendas. You think that Obama , Biden, Reed, Clinton, and Pelosi do not have a personal agenda to move this country towards a European style Socialist country? If you don't there is something wrong with your thought pattern.
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Of course we know that. Why do you think we love them so dummy.

“Marble Man”

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#25730 Sep 29, 2013
Polemics wrote:
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Of course we know that. Why do you think we love them so dummy.
Because you don't know any better.
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Toccoa, GA

#25731 Sep 29, 2013
corso wrote:
<quoted text>how did you know he was talking about your ugly ass!!!!

jeb,
as far as most posters are concerned, you are anathema in this thread. You have exhibted your true self, and most folks dont like you, care for your language, or will waste their time on you anymore.

Go play with yourself, as that is the only thing you seem to care about..
OMTE

Milan, GA

#25732 Sep 29, 2013
It was hilarious to watch all those Obama worshipers show there butts lastnight on C-span.:)
They really showed there true colors.(IMO) I thought Rep. David Scott of 13th district of Ga; was goin to fall out on the ground and start kickin and screamin. LoL. It was great. They are all for democracy, unless they are out voted by the majority. It's very telling.:) My Rep. Austin Scott and Rep. Jack Kingston done a great job at standing up for our military. Obama wanted to hold our military's pay hostage as a political ploy. The House did a fine job lastnight to stop him from doing that. Bravo! Way to go House of Representatives! Stand your ground, the American people are behind you! Hear! Hear!

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Milan, GA

#25733 Sep 29, 2013
I thought it was interesting that 17 democrats joined the Republicans, to repeal the medical device tax. Good for them. :)))

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Toccoa, GA

#25734 Sep 29, 2013
So how do you get the result you want????

Why, just rig the computer models to support your viewpoint.....and pay no attention to any observed trend that show the numbers are less than the computer models....
For libroids; it's not the evidence from mother nature that's important, it's whatever man decides that is important, just ask Gore.


"John Christy, a distinguished climate scientist and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH) found that all 73 computer model runs performed by the IPCC as of June 1, 2013 overshoot the observed warming of the tropical atmosphere during the previous 34 years.
Even though global carbon dioxide emissions are increasing largely due to India and China, "the temperatures recorded by the NASA-supported Remote Sensing Systems shows no warming in the earth’s middle atmosphere, or troposphere, over the past 16-plus years."
German climatologist Hans von Storch has found that IPCC climate models project warming trends as low as actual recorded observations only 2% of the time.
The monthly journal Nature Climate Change reports that over 20 years (1993-2012), the warming trend computed from 117 climate model simulations (0.3°C per decade) is more than twice the observed trend (0.14°C/decade). Over the most recent 15 years (1998-2012), the computer-simulated trend (0.21°C/decade) is more than four times the observed trend (0.05°C/decade)—a trend that is pretty close to a flat line."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
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Toccoa, GA

#25735 Sep 29, 2013

"The IPCC also asserts that a "thermal hot spot should exist in the upper troposphere in tropical regions" even though "observations from both weather balloon radiosondes and satellite MSU sensors show the opposite." Furthermore, the IPCC also asserts that "both polar regions should have warmed faster than the rest of Earth during the late twentieth century" when, in fact, "the large polar East Antarctic Ice Sheet has been cooling since at least the 1950s.""

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...

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Toccoa, GA

#25736 Sep 29, 2013
So here is the report by NON-GOVERNMENT scientists, who have no personal livihood dependent upon tax payers dollars........nor personal bias...

"The high regard that the IPCC claims for itself is undeserved. Numerous writers have documented the strong bias of its founders and principals, its determination to find a human role in climate change almost without regard to what the data show, and the corrupting role that politics has played in the organization’s history.** These writers observe what should be obvious but is rarely noted by environmental reporters and advocates: The IPCC is a political organization, not a scientific organization. Its purpose is to make a case for regulating carbon dioxide as though it were a dangerous pollutant. Its reports are edited and revised by government officials, not scientists, to “fit” their political agendas.

In 2013, discussion about abolishing the IPCC was widespread. The organization has done more to politicize and corrupt climate science than to advance it.*** Its views on climate were never as independent or authoritative as it claimed, and should never have become the basis for global policy."


http://climatechangereconsidered.org/about-ni...



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Blairsville, GA

#25737 Sep 29, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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How do you know I am wrong? Just because you say so? Maybe because Al Gore says so. There is no proof of what you are asserting and never has been. You read too much Huffington Post.
When are you going to start thinking and figuring things out for yourself? I suspect never.
Screw Al Gore, the vast majority of scientists in the world agree on climate change. Take a walk on the wild side, stray from your patterns. Watch FNC if you must but also watch main stream media, you know the old fashion news presented without any opinion at all.
I watch FNC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and PBS to get a better handle on what's really happening in the world, try it. You will be amazed at how much better you will sleep when you discover most of what you worry about is blown way out of proportion. Some is just a a distortion of the truth, but a lot is nothing more than some talking heads opinion.
sick of it

Blairsville, GA

#25738 Sep 29, 2013
OMTE wrote:
It was hilarious to watch all those Obama worshipers show there butts lastnight on C-span.:)
They really showed there true colors.(IMO) I thought Rep. David Scott of 13th district of Ga; was goin to fall out on the ground and start kickin and screamin. LoL. It was great. They are all for democracy, unless they are out voted by the majority. It's very telling.:) My Rep. Austin Scott and Rep. Jack Kingston done a great job at standing up for our military. Obama wanted to hold our military's pay hostage as a political ploy. The House did a fine job lastnight to stop him from doing that. Bravo! Way to go House of Representatives! Stand your ground, the American people are behind you! Hear! Hear!
Which majority are you talking about, the one in the House. Or the one in the Senate and the one that elected Obama. The House will change hands this next cycle, not for political reasons. But for the pure and simple fact all this is nothing more than grandstanding for the people in their small little districts back home, with no real hope of success. Another waste of time and money, a lot of money if they shut down government look it up.

People back home for the most part are sick of it.
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Toccoa, GA

#25739 Sep 29, 2013

How many are familiar with the Nigerian email scams???

The Nigerians are small kids in the field of scamming.
Remember the Banking scams that have brought the world’s economy to its knees lately??

The scam of today is Carbon Credits and it works the same as the scams above, but on a Governmental level…..
A problem is created,(global climate change), by a governmental entity known as the U.N., that CANNOT be proven or disproved, as man is not capable of deciphering mother nature, but is capable of finding suckers who will believe in anything.

So man creates a problem, prints out a certificate called a carbon credit that is virtually worthless, and attempts to get investors to purchase them for millions upon millions of dollars, thereby turning a worthless piece of paper into real money that can buy mansions, jets, luxury liner boats, and allow old men to get young pretty girls. This comes with the courtesy of Gore and ilk.

Wonder how carbon credits Oh my has, as we know she is not a young and pretty girl…..
OMTE

Milan, GA

#25740 Sep 29, 2013
sick of it wrote:
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Which majority are you talking about, the one in the House. Or the one in the Senate and the one that elected Obama. The House will change hands this next cycle, not for political reasons. But for the pure and simple fact all this is nothing more than grandstanding for the people in their small little districts back home, with no real hope of success. Another waste of time and money, a lot of money if they shut down government look it up.
People back home for the most part are sick of it.
I was talking about the House, dummy! The House represents the PEOPLE, moron. Are you David Scott? LoL!*laughin at you*

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#25741 Sep 29, 2013
opinion wrote:
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Screw Al Gore, the vast majority of scientists in the world agree on climate change. Take a walk on the wild side, stray from your patterns. Watch FNC if you must but also watch main stream media, you know the old fashion news presented without any opinion at all.
I watch FNC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and PBS to get a better handle on what's really happening in the world, try it. You will be amazed at how much better you will sleep when you discover most of what you worry about is blown way out of proportion. Some is just a a distortion of the truth, but a lot is nothing more than some talking heads opinion.
Soooooo, are you saying that those news outlets you posted have no opinion or political agenda at all? Personally, you'd be better to research various scientific research instead of watching mainstream media. It seems most of the recent research points to global warmists trying to hold on to their jobs, so they need to crank up their conspiracy theories in order to remain relevant and keep receiving grants. Without the fear factor, there goes the grants AND their jobs. Hmmmm........
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Toccoa, GA

#25742 Sep 29, 2013
"Eric Holthaus, who used to do weather for Wall Street Journal, was reacting to Friday's findings from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change while crying"


"A meteorologist who has covered weather for the Wall Street Journal tweeted that he has decided not to have children in order to leave a lighter carbon footprint, and is considering having a vasectomy."

"According to another tweet from Holthaus, the Dutch artist known as Tinkebell, who calls attention to animal rights issues through works that use the remains of dead animals, had herself sterilised last week for a similar reason."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-24365...


I say this is a good idea, the less these people reproduce can only be good for this world....


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#25743 Sep 29, 2013
sick of it wrote:
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Which majority are you talking about, the one in the House. Or the one in the Senate and the one that elected Obama. The House will change hands this next cycle, not for political reasons. But for the pure and simple fact all this is nothing more than grandstanding for the people in their small little districts back home, with no real hope of success. Another waste of time and money, a lot of money if they shut down government look it up.
People back home for the most part are sick of it.
I am hoping those who elected Obama have grown a brain since the last election cycle. Surely they have.
See. Your post is YOUR OPINION. My post is MY OPINION. The difference is you stared that "PEOPLE back home for the MOST part...." How do you know that? Did you go door to door? You libs tend to use: All, Most, etc. when stating only YOUR opinion. I'm not saying it's not true, but you need to post links when using All, Most, etc.

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#25744 Sep 29, 2013
opinion wrote:
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I watch FNC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and PBS ...
You should get out more. Sunshine is good for you.

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