Kansas Right to Bear Arms Question, Constitutional Amendment Question 1

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 7, 2010

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TheCataclysmicAb yss

Shawnee, KS

#5291 Apr 18, 2013
Agnostick wrote:
Ruby Ridge was a "guhvmint" screw-up, to be sure. Should've left them alone.
Branch Davidians? Leave it to the right-wing extremist crackpots to defend a child molester, his harem, and his cult. Cataclysmic Abyss and Fake FTW must be jealous they didn't get any of their own--what other reason could there be?
You guys could always take the easy way out, you know. Just grab a big bottle of Viagra, hop on a flight to the Dominican Republic like your good buddy Rush Limbaugh.
Out of curiousity, what makes me a "right-wing extremist crackpot" exactly?

"Cataclysmic Abyss and Fake FTW must be jealous they didn't get any of their own--what other reason could there be?"

I'm only assuming that this is some sort of sexual epithet, the likes of which are usually found in the hallways of a middle school. Bringing such remarks into a supposed adult conversation is quite innovative, well done.

“Conscience of the Heartland”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#5292 Apr 18, 2013
TheCataclysmicAbyss wrote:
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Because they know the media will make them infamous, and thanks to "gun-free" zones they will be met with no resistance.
You mean like Harris and Klebold who killed an armed security guard and used his weapon.
there you have it

Junction City, KS

#5293 Apr 18, 2013
TheCataclysmicAbyss wrote:
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I'm not sure where you get the idea that there is an agreeance with any of them, let alone strong support. With the exception of McVeigh, I'm pointing out these people were unjustly targeted and murdered. As far as the allegations involving Koresh and children, unless there is some actual evidence to support that accusation, it could be dismissed as propaganda just as easily as it could be accepted as fact. Hearsay is not adequate evidence, and demonizing the man before murdering him would reduce public outrage. The same with Weaver. Guilty or not, they both have the right to due process. Assassination is not due process.
You probably have friends who have friends with connections to anti-government groups , even if you don`t know it. Just a couple of degrees of separation between you and them.

“Conscience of the Heartland”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#5294 Apr 18, 2013
Jack wrote:
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Nice way of saying prison camps if Obama gets what he wants. Disarm the citizen's then control them. Just like Hitler did. Then he is the "RULER" you DA.
Nobody is going to disarm "the citizens". Your paranoia is showing
TheCataclysmicAb yss

Shawnee, KS

#5295 Apr 18, 2013
there you have it wrote:
<quoted text>You probably have friends who have friends with connections to anti-government groups , even if you don`t know it. Just a couple of degrees of separation between you and them.
Friends of friends. Maybe friends of those friends? At what point does such a vague, meaningless statement become relevant to anything close to the topic? Or is that some passive aggressive form of a petty ad hominem?
TheCataclysmicAb yss

Shawnee, KS

#5296 Apr 18, 2013
there you have it wrote:
<quoted text>You probably have friends who have friends with connections to anti-government groups , even if you don`t know it. Just a couple of degrees of separation between you and them.
Friends of friends.. Maybe it's friends of those friends? At what point does such a vague, meaningless statement even begin to come close to relevant to the topic? Or is that some passive aggressive form of a petty ad hominem?
neither

Junction City, KS

#5297 Apr 18, 2013
TheCataclysmicAbyss wrote:
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Friends of friends. Maybe friends of those friends? At what point does such a vague, meaningless statement become relevant to anything close to the topic? Or is that some passive aggressive form of a petty ad hominem?
You have anti-government leanings , as evidenced in your posts. You`re free to leave , if you think our Government sucks . You won`t be missed.
gunowner

United States

#5298 Apr 18, 2013
Agnostick wrote:
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Well, let's face it, no real names either way... but with registration, there's at least a *bit* of personal responsibility... a little bit of an archive, you stand behind your words.
Oh... I'm talking "personal responsibility" with a faux conservative extremist? Sorry, I didn't mean to waste our time.
so exactly how am I an extremists? If you have read any of my post you would have seen me say that I do not have issues with background checks, I do not own any AR type rifles nor do I own a handgun. There were only few things in the wording of the bills I didn't agree with. Two of which were removed in the Senate version of the bill.
My stance has been why are they rewriting laws that we already have instead of enforcing them. And why are they trying infringe the rights of law abiding citizens instead of more severely punishing criminals.
The reason for my CNN comments are simple also I have spoken with many people who are under the belief that AR type rifles available to the public are full automatic and are way to powerful for the public. And when I ask where they got this false info their response was CNN MSNBC NBC ABC CBS all of which normally have a Democratic view point.
You say extremists I say realist. If you wish to have a debate at least get the facts, not the left facts or the right facts get the fact facts.
TheCataclysmicAb yss

Shawnee, KS

#5299 Apr 18, 2013
neither wrote:
<quoted text>You have anti-government leanings , as evidenced in your posts. You`re free to leave , if you think our Government sucks . You won`t be missed.
Oh I do? So by pointing out unconstitutional actions, that warrants some cowardly accusation. You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about, but liberals tend to babble the most when they're completely clueless.
get a clue

Junction City, KS

#5300 Apr 19, 2013
TheCataclysmicAbyss wrote:
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Oh I do? So by pointing out unconstitutional actions, that warrants some cowardly accusation. You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about, but liberals tend to babble the most when they're completely clueless.
Two points : I sacraficed the best years of my life defending this great Nation from foreign and DOMESTIC enemies. Never claimed to be a Liberal. Anti-Government scumbags should be dealt with just the same as the Taliban , Al-Queda , McVeigh , and the Boston bombers. Either you`re with us or against us . Sympathizers like you should be deported or jailed .

“Conscience of the Heartland”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#5301 Apr 19, 2013
gunowner wrote:
<quoted text> so exactly how am I an extremists?
As exhibited here you have a smug sense of entitlement and a willingness to blindly follow liars like Wayne LaPierre.
My stance has been why are they rewriting laws that we already have instead of enforcing them.
What is there to enforce? Don't shoot up theatres and schools? How are we not doing that?

This phrase is meaningless bullsht from NRA and the like designed to fool the rubes. NRA's goal is to maximize profits for the gun industry so that means sales to criminals and terrorists must not be impeded.
And why are they trying infringe the rights of law abiding citizens instead of more severely punishing criminals.
what maudlin, whining crap. Look, if you can spring for a license plate for your car, you can damn sure spring for a license for your gun. To say it's any different is bullsht. There is no right of entitlement either way.
The reason for my CNN comments are simple also I have spoken with many people who are under the belief that AR type rifles available to the public are full automatic and are way to powerful for the public. And when I ask where they got this false info their response was CNN MSNBC NBC ABC CBS all of which normally have a Democratic view point.
This is splitting hairs to justify the falsehood these corporate entities constitute a 'liberal' media.

That is entirely bullsht that these corporations have a "Democratic" agenda. They cheerleaded for Reagan and Little Bush and were ruthless toward Carter, Clinton, and Obama. Notice nI left out Big Bush there. That was on purpose. They cheerleaded his phony war on Iraq and then turned on him when the economy soured. It was nothing personal. News sells. Poppy was not a charismatic President and they resented his pedigree. It was nothing whatever to do with ideology, certainly not party.
You say extremists I say realist.
A realist would realize owning guns is just a hobby and nothing special. A realist would recognize the lie the corporate media are 'liberal" right off. A liberalist would not feel an entitlement to whine like a spoiled little baby boy. You are no realist. A realist could shuck his toys and move on. You are just an uninformed minion stuck on your fetishes.
If you wish to have a debate at least get the facts, not the left facts or the right facts get the fact facts.
The fact is nobody needs a gun and the fact you have some shows your shortcoming.
Jerry

Olathe, KS

#5302 Apr 19, 2013
Mager Pfail.
Oh crap

Junction City, KS

#5303 Apr 19, 2013
Jerry wrote:
Mager Pfail.
Toni`s back ! The poor spelling was a dead giveaway.
just a thought

Coffeyville, KS

#5304 Apr 19, 2013
Well "roo" as long as their are criminals there is a need to defend one's self and family from them and so far they have shown little interest in a rational debate when committing their crimes. And the fact remains weither you think guns are needed or not, the constitution in this country allows us to have them even if we don't "need" them. As long as our government is armed, so will the people living in it. Governments have taken control of the people throughout history and smart people know how to learn from history. Only dumbass naive sheep say "it could never happen here".
Jerry

Olathe, KS

#5305 Apr 19, 2013
It doesn't matter what some koo koo kangaroo thinks.
I don't read his mindless dribble anyways, I skim over it, it gets edited at the end point.
The second amendment was given to us by God.
Thanks God.
Jerry

Olathe, KS

#5306 Apr 19, 2013
Oh crap wrote:
<quoted text>Toni`s back ! The poor spelling was a dead giveaway.
Mega left wing kook fail.
There you happy now?
Hi Toni

Junction City, KS

#5307 Apr 19, 2013
Jerry wrote:
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Mega left wing kook fail.
There you happy now?
I see you`ve raised your ugly head again. Sure sign of Spring , you`ve crawled out from under your rock . The proud grand daughter of slave owners returns.
Hi Toni

Junction City, KS

#5308 Apr 19, 2013
Jerry wrote:
It doesn't matter what some koo koo kangaroo thinks.
I don't read his mindless dribble anyways, I skim over it, it gets edited at the end point.
The second amendment was given to us by God.
Thanks God.
The word is "drivel" , you poor , mentally challenged wingnut.

“Conscience of the Heartland”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#5309 Apr 19, 2013
just a thought wrote:
Well "roo" as long as their are criminals there is a need to defend one's self and family from them and so far they have shown little interest in a rational debate when committing their crimes.
Oh, really? So you have talked to them? And you are a victim of crime? Please provide details of how you have or do defend yourself and family. This ought to be good.
And the fact remains weither you think guns are needed or not, the constitution in this country allows us to have them even if we don't "need" them.
Oh, really? Fifty years ago governments were routinely banning publications despite the first amendment; what magical thinking informs you the second is any different? It was less than that long ago when the Supreme Court smashed that in New York Times v. Nixon.
As long as our government is armed, so will the people living in it.
Oh really? Most sane people regard those who think they need to be armed against the government as deluded dupes or else manipulators like the guy who killed the DA and his wife in Kaufman, Texas.
Governments have taken control of the people throughout history and smart people know how to learn from history. Only dumbass naive sheep say "it could never happen here".
Uh-huh. So did you, unlike the bulk of the gun nuts in this country, oppose Shrub's imposition of The Patriot Act? If not your maudlin words just make you look like the ridiculous hypocrite you are.
God and Guns

Junction City, KS

#5310 Apr 19, 2013
Jerry wrote:
The second amendment was given to us by God.
Thanks God.
Isn`t that the same God who said "Thou shalt not kill" ? You`re trying to tell us that in all of the history of mankind , over tens of thousands of years , divine intervention granted us the Second Amendment ? Nuts who think like you are the real danger. I fully support the Second Amendment , own , and carry loaded , concealed firearms . Just don`t try and feed me some religious right wing fantasy that God had a hand in the right to own and bear arms. It`s a man-made right , period.

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