GM to Retake No. 1 Spot From Toyota

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General Motors is almost certain to claim the title of world's biggest automaker this year, retaking the top spot from Toyota, which has been hurt by production problems since the Japanese earthquake and still can't escape the shadow of major safety recalls. Full Story
The talk

United States

#201 Jul 27, 2011
Gm man wrote:
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You are still in the clear. GM made the lunar rover, which is still on the moon. You can in fact go and get a domestic car that is not on earth now. You just need to find a way to get it and bring it back.
Garbage Motors = cheap!!
Gm man

Washington, MI

#202 Jul 27, 2011
The talk wrote:
<quoted text>Garbage Motors = cheap!!
$28+ million dollars to make the rover is cheap?
The talk

United States

#203 Jul 27, 2011
Gm man wrote:
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$28+ million dollars to make the rover is cheap?
Just because u read it from the Detroit news does NOT mean its true. Kind of like all the little 4 sales figures.....EXAGGERATED!!!!!!

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#204 Jul 27, 2011
Gm man wrote:
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However, if you were running your flat screen TV for 10 hours, we might be getting somewhere.
The Volt isn't a magical device that somehow sucks all the power from the grid. A 120v outlet can only provide so much electricity at a time, which is why it takes 10 hours to charge. So yes, energy consumption would be comparable to a flat screen TV left on for 10 hours.
100-200 Watts for ten hours multiplied times 200 million vehicles across America?

You are nuts.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#205 Jul 27, 2011
Gm man wrote:
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I wouldn't say so. The government wanted to make sure that the Volt would go through, and that it would be a successful program.
We are running a historic deficit and King Obama is funding GM's rise from the dead with taxpayer money. That is not being successful.
Gm man

Washington, MI

#206 Jul 27, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>100-200 Watts for ten hours multiplied times 200 million vehicles across America?

You are nuts.
Funny how constant usage of refrigerators, lights, coffee machines, TVs, sound systems, A/C, phone chargers, and microwaves in every American house don't break the grid, but a car plugged into one socket can? Your logic is ridiculous.
Gm man

Washington, MI

#207 Jul 27, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>We are running a historic deficit and King Obama is funding GM's rise from the dead with taxpayer money. That is not being successful.
Or the other option....lay off millions of people that work for GM or that are associated with GM.

However, most people like you don't seem to realize this.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#208 Jul 28, 2011
Gm man wrote:
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Or the other option....lay off millions of people that work for GM or that are associated with GM.
However, most people like you don't seem to realize this.
Throwing good money after bad is never a good reason to employ people. Most people like you don't seem to realize this.
The talk

United States

#209 Jul 28, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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Throwing good money after bad is never a good reason to employ people. Most people like you don't seem to realize this.
Did u see the TV report about the family that owned a domestic auto. The SUV had 115,000 on it and barely made it to the dealership. Literally falling apart. The family was supposed to make a wise decision, but failed. Instead of buying a "quality" auto that would just be getting broken in, they picked the same POS as they had before. Must read the Detroit Freepress!
Gm man

Washington, MI

#210 Jul 28, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>Throwing good money after bad is never a good reason to employ people. Most people like you don't seem to realize this.
So you think it would be in the economy's interest to lay millions of people off?

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#211 Jul 28, 2011
Gm man wrote:
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Funny how constant usage of refrigerators, lights, coffee machines, TVs, sound systems, A/C, phone chargers, and microwaves in every American house don't break the grid, but a car plugged into one socket can? Your logic is ridiculous.
Refrigerators, lights, coffee machines, TVs, sound systems, A/C, phone chargers, and microwaves in every American house don't break the grid because these items have been accommodated for. Refrigerators and lights, for example, have been in use for over a hundred years. Power companies have expanded and the grid has grown to it.

The EV is a brand new animal. Like I said, if everyone in America returned home from work tonight and plugged in their EV, the grid would fry. 200-250 Million sucking batteries each @ 16KWH will electrons to cry. Imagine all of the energy stored in every Gas Station across this country suddenly converted to electricity pouring through the nation's electrical grid to propel our vehicles. Not a problem, you say? Illogical on your part.

You do not possess logic but emotional Gee Wiz! Popular Science Idiocy.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#212 Jul 28, 2011
make

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Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#213 Jul 28, 2011
Gm man wrote:
<quoted text>
So you think it would be in the economy's interest to lay millions of people off?
First, you lay bare your missing common sense in transportation issues and now you expose yourself as a clueless wannabe economist.

Sure....employ millions of people to make Widgets that no one wants. It is critical that we concoct a secondary reality to keep the primary one real....nuts!!!

The U.S. Government does not pay people to make Buggy Whips but, according to you, this would be a good thing to keep millions employed...stay out of economics lest you hurt millions of people.
Gm man

Washington, MI

#214 Jul 28, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>Refrigerators, lights, coffee machines, TVs, sound systems, A/C, phone chargers, and microwaves in every American house don't break the grid because these items have been accommodated for. Refrigerators and lights, for example, have been in use for over a hundred years. Power companies have expanded and the grid has grown to it.

The EV is a brand new animal. Like I said, if everyone in America returned home from work tonight and plugged in their EV, the grid would fry. 200-250 Million sucking batteries each @ 16KWH will electrons to cry. Imagine all of the energy stored in every Gas Station across this country suddenly converted to electricity pouring through the nation's electrical grid to propel our vehicles. Not a problem, you say? Illogical on your part.

You do not possess logic but emotional Gee Wiz! Popular Science Idiocy.
Correct. The EV is a new animal, and like Refrigerators, lights, coffee machines, TVs, sound systems, A/C, phone chargers, and microwaves, it will take a while for it to be a household thing, if ever. We don't have to worry for a long time.
Gm man

Washington, MI

#215 Jul 28, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>First, you lay bare your missing common sense in transportation issues and now you expose yourself as a clueless wannabe economist.

Sure....employ millions of people to make Widgets that no one wants. It is critical that we concoct a secondary reality to keep the primary one real....nuts!!!

The U.S. Government does not pay people to make Buggy Whips but, according to you, this would be a good thing to keep millions employed...stay out of economics lest you hurt millions of people.
Widgets no one wants? GM is the biggest car maker in the world. Obviously, quite a few people like them.

Being one of the biggest companies in the world, it would be irresponsible to let the company go under. Yes, the management made some poor decisions, but they are paying back the loan.

Also, making GM sound insignificant by use of name calling is very immature. GM is one of the biggest companies in the world, and your just going to have to face reality.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#216 Jul 28, 2011
Gm man wrote:
<quoted text>
Widgets no one wants? GM is the biggest car maker in the world. Obviously, quite a few people like them.
Being one of the biggest companies in the world, it would be irresponsible to let the company go under. Yes, the management made some poor decisions, but they are paying back the loan.
Also, making GM sound insignificant by use of name calling is very immature. GM is one of the biggest companies in the world, and your just going to have to face reality.
So according to you, the bigger the company, the better they must be. This is childishly simplistic. GM spent many decades solidifying it's position in Washington, in State Capitols and even local politicians. It worked well until the Japanese cam over here and did the same thing wining and dining the politicians and then beat GM at their own game.

Two big differences, however. The Japanese used a human face to set up their manufacturing network. GM always cracked whips and paid off politicians. GM lost the game because of their ham-handed policies.

But how much of this has to do with making a quality product? In GM's case, nothing. They kept the competition out of America by buying off Washington politicians. The Japanese won the politicians over slowly at the local level and worked their way up. GM was clueless as to what was happening.

So, a company's size can mean that they offer good products or it can mean that they control the economic climate through bought-off politicians. GM today is eating crow but only as a technique and not as a sincere revelation of wrongdoing. They are back at the trough eating like pigs and King Obama is feeding them. Of course, they have to have a product, right? OK. Through the Volt in as a whiz-Bang Hi-Tec Show Stopping Product. Hee, Hee.

What's their fall-back position? The world's best quality Buggy Whips?

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#217 Jul 28, 2011
Throw
Gm man

Washington, MI

#218 Jul 28, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>So according to you, the bigger the company, the better they must be. This is childishly simplistic. GM spent many decades solidifying it's position in Washington, in State Capitols and even local politicians. It worked well until the Japanese cam over here and did the same thing wining and dining the politicians and then beat GM at their own game.

Two big differences, however. The Japanese used a human face to set up their manufacturing network. GM always cracked whips and paid off politicians. GM lost the game because of their ham-handed policies.

But how much of this has to do with making a quality product? In GM's case, nothing. They kept the competition out of America by buying off Washington politicians. The Japanese won the politicians over slowly at the local level and worked their way up. GM was clueless as to what was happening.

So, a company's size can mean that they offer good products or it can mean that they control the economic climate through bought-off politicians. GM today is eating crow but only as a technique and not as a sincere revelation of wrongdoing. They are back at the trough eating like pigs and King Obama is feeding them. Of course, they have to have a product, right? OK. Through the Volt in as a whiz-Bang Hi-Tec Show Stopping Product. Hee, Hee.

What's their fall-back position? The world's best quality Buggy Whips?
So GM convinced the government so that people could only buy GM products? I'm sorry, we have a market economy, you can buy what you wish. People just happen to like GM products, which is why they sell. If you don't like them, buy a Ford.

The government isn't stoping you!

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#219 Jul 28, 2011
Gm man wrote:
<quoted text>
So GM convinced the government so that people could only buy GM products? I'm sorry, we have a market economy, you can buy what you wish. People just happen to like GM products, which is why they sell. If you don't like them, buy a Ford.
The government isn't stoping you!
If GM convinced Washington lawmakers to slap a 2000% tax on imported Japanese cars, of course you would still have the right to purchase in a 'free' market. But we know better, don't we?!!

That's why the Japanese(and others) came over here to beat GM at its own game. And beat 'em they did. Now, go ahead and lie some more about the great GM product line:)
Gm man

Washington, MI

#220 Jul 28, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>If GM convinced Washington lawmakers to slap a 2000% tax on imported Japanese cars, of course you would still have the right to purchase in a 'free' market. But we know better, don't we?!!

That's why the Japanese(and others) came over here to beat GM at its own game. And beat 'em they did. Now, go ahead and lie some more about the great GM product line:)
But you still have Ford, Chrysler, Daimler, BMW, VW, Volvo, and Land Rover. Shall I continue to list?

Beat GM at it's own game? Can you tell me, than, why GM still sells the most? You can't beat #1. If Japanese cars really did beat them, shouldn't they be #1?

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