Ford asks GM to pull Super Bowl ad

Ford asks GM to pull Super Bowl ad

There are 34 comments on the CBS News story from Feb 5, 2012, titled Ford asks GM to pull Super Bowl ad. In it, CBS News reports that:

LAS VEGAS — Ford is demanding that rival General Motors pull a Super Bowl commercial that implies the Chevrolet Silverado pickup is more dependable than the Ford F-Series. But GM stands by the ad and says it will run during Sunday's game.

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“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Mcallen, TX

#22 Feb 7, 2012
Sofa,
I just did the math for you. Add them up if you like.

Socialized medicine is not free, you, not having been involved in one might not see its short comings, but the two major solutions are waiting or paying for service.

CAW had the power to add the not having to wait and having Ford paying for that benefit.

The cost is still added to the product, US or Canada.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#23 Feb 7, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Sofa,
I just did the math for you. Add them up if you like.
Socialized medicine is not free, you, not having been involved in one might not see its short comings, but the two major solutions are waiting or paying for service.
CAW had the power to add the not having to wait and having Ford paying for that benefit.
The cost is still added to the product, US or Canada.
Is the cost of supplemental insurance cheaper or more expensive than full coverage? In Canada it's supplemental, in the US it's full.

You did what math? None of the health care numbers on that link added up to $13,000 a year per employee, not even close.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Mcallen, TX

#24 Feb 8, 2012
Sofa,
They were per hour.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#25 Feb 8, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Sofa,
They were per hour.
Right! And the health care issues addressed in your link add up to about $6000 a year. Other issues addressed were life insurance for current and future employees and overtime.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Mcallen, TX

#26 Feb 8, 2012
sofa,
Insurance costs are costs. They add to the cost of doing business, making Canadian per car costs closer and some times higher than US costs.

I didn't count overtime just insurance. Like I said I don't know what UAW insurance costs are, but if they are above 13500 a year they are pretty expensive.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#27 Feb 8, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
sofa,
Insurance costs are costs. They add to the cost of doing business, making Canadian per car costs closer and some times higher than US costs.
I didn't count overtime just insurance. Like I said I don't know what UAW insurance costs are, but if they are above 13500 a year they are pretty expensive.
Insurance costs are insurance costs? Life insurance has nothing to do with the topic of Ford taking advantage of Canadian socialized health care. So that is a moot point. The other number in your link is overtime costs. Not associated at all with health care.
Again, health care accounted for less than half of the 13,500 you claimed.
Again, supplemental coverage is far cheaper than full coverage. That's why Ford moved production plants to Canada 15 years ahead of GM and Chrysler.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Mcallen, TX

#28 Feb 8, 2012
Sofa,
The move was prompted by cost cutting, insurance is still insurance and still a cost. 13500 is a real number. You can't wish it away, discounting social medicine was a good idea, but CAW made up the difference. Their per hour costs wound up higher than UAW, before the bail out.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#29 Feb 8, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Sofa,
The move was prompted by cost cutting, insurance is still insurance and still a cost. 13500 is a real number. You can't wish it away, discounting social medicine was a good idea, but CAW made up the difference. Their per hour costs wound up higher than UAW, before the bail out.
That's just not true at all. Most of those costs per hour that they're using includes legacy costs of the many retired employees. It's not the per hour cost of the actual guy working on an assembly line.
The $70 an hour line is a myth and nobody ever really backs it up. The way they come up with that is when they calculate all employees, all retired employees receiving benefits, the total cost of both, then divided by current employees. It's incredibly misleading and intentionally.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Mcallen, TX

#30 Feb 8, 2012
sofa,
I never mentioned the $70, actually the number I saw was 76. Myth of fact, it looks like CAW is going to be the loser. The current numbers are something like CAW 57, UAW 50.

But, take a look at this article.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-19/c...

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#31 Feb 8, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
sofa,
I never mentioned the $70, actually the number I saw was 76. Myth of fact, it looks like CAW is going to be the loser. The current numbers are something like CAW 57, UAW 50.
But, take a look at this article.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-19/c...
Actually the new deal with the UAW forced retirees over the age of 65 to take Medicare (socialized health care) and subsidization by the manufacturer instead of the full coverage they had before. Saving over $10,000 per retiree. Which brings down the cost per hour.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Mcallen, TX

#32 Feb 9, 2012
Sofa,
Did the retirees get a supplemental plan? Or are they 100% Medicare?

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#33 Feb 9, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Sofa,
Did the retirees get a supplemental plan? Or are they 100% Medicare?
Now they get medicare AND a supplemental to equal the coverage they had when they had full coverage at any age.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Mcallen, TX

#34 Feb 9, 2012
Sofa,
Thanks for the info
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#36 Feb 10, 2012
Wow! THAT was boring! Are you both looking for executive spokesperson jobs for Ford and GM? You two are WELL on your way...good luck with that!

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