Topless women activists bang Notre Dame bell in anti-pope protest in Paris cathedral

Topless women activists have pounded a huge church bell in Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris to "celebrate" the pope's resignation. Full Story
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#41 Feb 12, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> Im all for that. I just wish Liberals would leave us alone and not try to bill other people for their fun.
How about I dont force my religion on you , and you dont send me a bil for your condoms?
I agree with you. I am a Libertarian. I want everyone to run there own lfie and pay the bill for it.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#42 Feb 12, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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Right....Which means they cant make children in a PUBLIC school do prayers. Children can say a pray anytime they want in school.JUST CANT MAKE OTHERS JOIN THEM.....Understand facts now?
Why would any religious person want prayer in School is beyond me. Schools cannot teach even simple subject like Math and English
. I will teach my children about my religion at home and not let the school system muck it up.
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#43 Feb 12, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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They?
Schools. You see any child right now today can pray to themself in school if they want. They just cant make other pray or be silent why they do pray. Do you understand now??
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#44 Feb 12, 2013
californio wrote:
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Why would any religious person want prayer in School is beyond me. Schools cannot teach even simple subject like Math and English
. I will teach my children about my religion at home and not let the school system muck it up.
I agree. Biggest thing is since this nation has freedom of religion people are allowed any religion they want. Can you imagine if we allowed every religion prayer time in school??? I mean half the day would be praying....

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#45 Feb 12, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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I agree with you. I am a Libertarian. I want everyone to run there own lfie and pay the bill for it.
And I am a Conservative/Libertarian .Not a social conservative.
Most Liberal dont know the difference.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#46 Feb 12, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>
Schools. You see any child right now today can pray to themself in school if they want. They just cant make other pray or be silent why they do pray. Do you understand now??
Who's trying to do that?
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#47 Feb 12, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> And I am a Conservative/Libertarian .Not a social conservative.
Most Liberal dont know the difference.
I know. And most conservatives dont know that they are not true conservatives but fascist social conservatives. Which is not conservative at all.....To me anyway.
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#48 Feb 12, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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Who's trying to do that?
You said you wanted prayer in school....Would you allow every religion to have there prayer time? Would you allow non-religous children to leave rooms for prayer time. Would you allow people of lets say Satan worshipping to have there Satanic paryer time???

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#49 Feb 12, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. Biggest thing is since this nation has freedom of religion people are allowed any religion they want. Can you imagine if we allowed every religion prayer time in school??? I mean half the day would be praying....
That is arguing from fallacy....

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#50 Feb 12, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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You said you wanted prayer in school....Would you allow every religion to have there prayer time? Would you allow non-religous children to leave rooms for prayer time. Would you allow people of lets say Satan worshipping to have there Satanic paryer time???
On their own time....yes....

Since: Jun 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#51 Feb 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
The woman who dies was in a country where abortion is illegal, I believe. I believe Irish parliament sets state law there?
I'm not sure who sets state law in Ireland. I'll leave it to you to get an exact quote but her husband implored the hospital for an abortion and the reply went something like, "This is a Catholic hospital. We don't do that."
Dan wrote:
The Pope didn't bless Kadaga.
She was in a delegation that met with the Pope. No blessings were conferred to Kadaga. Check your sources. Please. No reason for you to continue to embarrass yourself.
Actually, I can't continue embarrassing myself because I never started. As far as a papal blessing went, it seems that the Ugandans felt one was given. Like, Rebecca Kadaga got to talk personally to His Holiness, handed him a portrait of the Uganda Martyrs Shrine Namugongo, and was given the privilege of getting on her knees to kiss his grizzled hand. The other Ugandans thought they had been awarded a special blessing. After all, not ANYBODY can kiss the Pope's hand. The article from New Vision put it this way: "MPs Paula Turyahikayo, Elijah Okupa, Abdu Katuntu, Betti Amongi, and Chris Baryomunsi who accompanied the Speaker were also delighted by the golden moment, noting that their faith had been renewed by the Pope’s blessings."

http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/638115-speake...

Again, it sure seems to me that Pope Benedict XVI gave Rebecca and the other Ugandans a blessing and it also seems to me that the Vatican was aware of her "kill the gays bill". So Pope Benedict did give tacit support for this wicked woman.

The church response is, to use a favorite Catholic word, nuanced. That word can be considered synonymous with evasive, duplicitous, tricky. This way, the church can simultaneously claim to some people that it didn't give a "formal" blessing while telling others that she got a blessing. That's the nuanced approach, AKA deceitful, two-faced.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#52 Feb 12, 2013
Stanley Engel wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure who sets state law in Ireland. I'll leave it to you to get an exact quote but her husband implored the hospital for an abortion and the reply went something like, "This is a Catholic hospital. We don't do that."
<quoted text>
Actually, I can't continue embarrassing myself because I never started. As far as a papal blessing went, it seems that the Ugandans felt one was given. Like, Rebecca Kadaga got to talk personally to His Holiness, handed him a portrait of the Uganda Martyrs Shrine Namugongo, and was given the privilege of getting on her knees to kiss his grizzled hand. The other Ugandans thought they had been awarded a special blessing. After all, not ANYBODY can kiss the Pope's hand. The article from New Vision put it this way: "MPs Paula Turyahikayo, Elijah Okupa, Abdu Katuntu, Betti Amongi, and Chris Baryomunsi who accompanied the Speaker were also delighted by the golden moment, noting that their faith had been renewed by the Pope’s blessings."
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/638115-speake...
Again, it sure seems to me that Pope Benedict XVI gave Rebecca and the other Ugandans a blessing and it also seems to me that the Vatican was aware of her "kill the gays bill". So Pope Benedict did give tacit support for this wicked woman.
The church response is, to use a favorite Catholic word, nuanced. That word can be considered synonymous with evasive, duplicitous, tricky. This way, the church can simultaneously claim to some people that it didn't give a "formal" blessing while telling others that she got a blessing. That's the nuanced approach, AKA deceitful, two-faced.
Catholic hospitals typically do not perform abortions, no.

It may seem to you that the Pope blessed this Kadaga woman, but they say they didn't. Pretty clearly, they said they didn't.

You are doubtless unaware, but the Pope is also head of state for Vatican City and sees many people in the scope of his diplomatic duties. He sees non-Catholics, and certainly no one sees his audience with them as tacit approval of protestantism, for example.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#53 Feb 12, 2013
Stanley Engel wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure who sets state law in Ireland. I'll leave it to you to get an exact quote but her husband implored the hospital for an abortion and the reply went something like, "This is a Catholic hospital. We don't do that."
<quoted text>
Actually, I can't continue embarrassing myself because I never started. As far as a papal blessing went, it seems that the Ugandans felt one was given. Like, Rebecca Kadaga got to talk personally to His Holiness, handed him a portrait of the Uganda Martyrs Shrine Namugongo, and was given the privilege of getting on her knees to kiss his grizzled hand. The other Ugandans thought they had been awarded a special blessing. After all, not ANYBODY can kiss the Pope's hand. The article from New Vision put it this way: "MPs Paula Turyahikayo, Elijah Okupa, Abdu Katuntu, Betti Amongi, and Chris Baryomunsi who accompanied the Speaker were also delighted by the golden moment, noting that their faith had been renewed by the Pope’s blessings."
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/638115-speake...
Again, it sure seems to me that Pope Benedict XVI gave Rebecca and the other Ugandans a blessing and it also seems to me that the Vatican was aware of her "kill the gays bill". So Pope Benedict did give tacit support for this wicked woman.
The church response is, to use a favorite Catholic word, nuanced. That word can be considered synonymous with evasive, duplicitous, tricky. This way, the church can simultaneously claim to some people that it didn't give a "formal" blessing while telling others that she got a blessing. That's the nuanced approach, AKA deceitful, two-faced.
Stanley-

You cited a Ugandan press report. This is the same country and press that allowed this Kadaga woman to ascend to her current position holding her abhorrent beliefs.

Be a bit more skeptical. You were in such a hurry to condemn the Pope that you allowed yourself to be duped by the Ugandan press.

sickofit

Faribault, MN

#54 Feb 12, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
On their own time....yes....
So you are saying christians can openly pray and have classes stop for there prayers and everyone else must do it on there own time??

You saying that???

Since: Jun 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#55 Feb 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
Catholic hospitals typically do not perform abortions, no.
It may seem to you that the Pope blessed this Kadaga woman, but they say they didn't. Pretty clearly, they said they didn't.
Yup, it's pretty clear they said they didn't. It's pretty clear they SAID they didn't. It's pretty clear the Ugandans THOUGHT they had been so blessed. The proper description of what occurred requires double-talk, a nuanced response that can be interpreted however the Vatican wants. Love those nuances.
Dan wrote:
You are doubtless unaware, but the Pope is also head of state for Vatican City and sees many people in the scope of his diplomatic duties. He sees non-Catholics, and certainly no one sees his audience with them as tacit approval of protestantism, for example.
I really don't think that non-Catholics meeting the pontiff automatically get on their knees. The Pope decides who gets to kiss his hand and that privilege was extended to Rebecca Kadaga, someone who vigorously supports the "kill the gays" bill. That's something the Vatican officials knew (unless they're incompetent) and demonstrates the murderous evil of Benedict XVI. But you're free to defend his endorsement of mass murder, so please continue.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#56 Feb 12, 2013
Stanley Engel wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup, it's pretty clear they said they didn't. It's pretty clear they SAID they didn't. It's pretty clear the Ugandans THOUGHT they had been so blessed. The proper description of what occurred requires double-talk, a nuanced response that can be interpreted however the Vatican wants. Love those nuances.
<quoted text>
I really don't think that non-Catholics meeting the pontiff automatically get on their knees. The Pope decides who gets to kiss his hand and that privilege was extended to Rebecca Kadaga, someone who vigorously supports the "kill the gays" bill. That's something the Vatican officials knew (unless they're incompetent) and demonstrates the murderous evil of Benedict XVI. But you're free to defend his endorsement of mass murder, so please continue.
The Vatican's statement didn't seem too "nuanced" to me.

You can be a dupe for the Ugandan press all you like, Stanley. They allowed this Kadaga woman and her ideas to rise to power, but you afford them all the credibility in the world since you have an animus towards the Pope.

Good luck there.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#57 Feb 12, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm....who's the voice of the unborn baby?
Fetuses don't have a voice. The decision is the mother's, not yours, I repeat.
Sheik Yerbouti

Pennington, NJ

#58 Feb 12, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
How many women have died because of abortions? Not to mention the post traumatic disorders after abortions....and the victim that is the unborn baby....
Kill the gays? Can you site sources?
Thanks to catholic vermin like you thousands of women died from 'illegal' abortions. Fortunately the death rate has all but disappeared no thanks to you and you ignorant ilk! Glad the moron in the vatican is retiring. He can sit around and remember his days in the Hitler Youth!

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#59 Feb 12, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying christians can openly pray and have classes stop for there prayers and everyone else must do it on there own time??
You saying that???
No....I'm saying everyone, including christians pray on their own time....

I mean seriously....there is appropriate times....
Dan

Omaha, NE

#60 Feb 12, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Fetuses don't have a voice. The decision is the mother's, not yours, I repeat.
Fetsues are developing people.

Pretty heartless, prof.

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