Pope In UK Urges Tolerance, Warns Aga...

Pope In UK Urges Tolerance, Warns Against Atheism

There are 925 comments on the New York Times story from Sep 16, 2010, titled Pope In UK Urges Tolerance, Warns Against Atheism. In it, New York Times reports that:

Pope Benedict started a trip to Britain Thursday urging the country to protect its Christian roots and tradition of tolerance in the face of threats from aggressive secularism and atheist extremism.

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Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#21 Sep 16, 2010
As a die -hard Atheist and a German citizen, I beg the guest in UK( POPE) not to provoke the rationals and Atheists.
Tolerance is a word I know from the life of Mother Theresa.
Enjoy your dinner and stay and avoid any unnecessary epithets during your stay in GB.
Thanks

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#22 Sep 16, 2010
Religion is absolutely fair territory for critics when it leaves in its wake war, a crusade against another religion, ethnic cleansing, the destruction of constitutional government, or the endangerment of domestic tranquility.

If Pope Benedict XVI talked about Jews the way he talks about gays or treated blacks the way he treat women, what would we call him?

The relationship between the American media and the Catholic Church can fairly be described as necrophiliatic: the only thing that really matters about the church is the Pope and the only really good Pope is a dead one. Once dead, whatever God does with the Pope's body becomes somewhat redundant. The press has already sent him to heaven, giving him credit for things he never did and avoiding some of the things he did that are not sufficiently encomium enabled."--Sam Smith---

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#23 Sep 16, 2010
LONDON -- In the old days, the normal Vatican pattern was that the pope would say or do something controversial, and then his aides would try to calm the waters. It’s a measure of how out of sorts the Vatican’s communications enterprise has been that these days, things seem to work exactly the other way around.

The pattern of the pope cleaning up a mess created by other top church officials was first glimpsed in Portugal, after senior Vatican personnel had publicly compared criticism of the pope to anti-Semitism and “petty gossip.” Benedict XVI changed the tone by insisting, in comments to reporters aboard the papal plane, that the real problem was not outside attacks but sin inside the church.

That papal course correction continued on day one of his four-day trip to the United Kingdom, which got off to an inauspicious start as British papers played up a comment by German Cardinal Walter Kasper, recently retired as the Vatican’s top ecumenical official, that landing at Heathrow Airport, one has the sense of arriving in a “third world country.”

Kasper, who is not on the U.K. trip due to illness, also complained that an “aggressive atheism” is speaking in Britain.

That might have been the dominant day one story, had it not been for Pope Benedict XVI’s comments aboard the papal plane on the sexual abuse crisis. The pontiff candidly acknowledged that the church was “not sufficiently vigilant and not sufficiently quick and decisive to take the necessary measures” to combat the crisis.

Benedict said that the victims are the church’s top priority, and that abuser priests must never have access to children because they have a disease that “good will” cannot cure.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-cri...

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#24 Sep 16, 2010
“Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.“--An Atheist.

"The Role of Doubt in the Life of the Soul

Doubt is not the enemy of faith, blind fanaticism is.
http://www.godweb.org/doubt.htm
Paul WV

Linden, NJ

#25 Sep 16, 2010
150 protestors in a crowed of about 125,000; or 0.12%.

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#26 Sep 16, 2010
"I admit it is impossible to look at some of the pope's critics and not detect a whiff of ancient prejudices. Richard Dawkins, the evolutionary biologist and militant atheist, does not just criticise the Vatican's (shameful) handling of clerical child abuse over the years. He writes that the pope is a "leering old villain in a frock", whose conservativism is, however, perfectly suited to destroying his "evil" church from within. Thus, says Mr Dawkins, the pope:

"should remain in charge of the whole rotten edifice - the whole profiteering, woman-fearing, guilt-gorging, truth-hating, child-raping institution - while it tumbles, amid a stench of incense and a rain of tourist-kitsch sacred hearts and preposterously crowned virgins, about his ears."

I agree it is also remarkable that nobody seemed to blink when Julie Burchill, a noisy columnist, wrote that:

"if one is a Catholic, then surely double-speak and duplicity are second nature. A Church which rails against abortion and then spends decades covering up the most appalling degree of child abuse obviously has no problem with holding two opposing ideas at once – and at least the opposition to termination now makes perfect sense, with hindsight. All those unborn children that could have been molested – what a waste!"
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot
Ken

Auburn, WA

#27 Sep 16, 2010
Mother of abominations

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Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#29 Sep 16, 2010
A pinh of salt make the food palatable..
Not the number but the quality of rational thinking that counts.

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#30 Sep 16, 2010
Normally i avoid parochialism and fanatism,
( I mean religious attachment )
Because the title had a word Atheism I took much attention to expose my ignorance.
rider

Owatonna, MN

#31 Sep 16, 2010
Ramafuchs wrote:
A pinh of salt make the food palatable..
Not the number but the quality of rational thinking that counts.
how You doing Ramafuchs-----Who cares apparently nobody--- Boy's Town Abuse!... at the time that I went to Rome and met with Cardinal Ratzinger.... Ratzinger is now in the limelight over this issue, but he couldn't get anyone to do ... Now you have picked up a new client and it ties directly into Boys Town....
www.jesus-is-savior.com/.../boys_town_abuse.h ...- Cached - Similar
Catholic Monarchy » Project Monarch... a conversation he had with Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) regarding The Franklin Cover-Up and the Boy's Town child sex-abuse scandal....
www.catholicmonarchy.com/blog/ ...- Cached-----The Franklin ScandalThe FRANKLIN SCANDAL is the story of a nationwide pedophile ring that pandered children to a cabal of the rich and powerful. The ring's pimps were a pair of ...
franklinscandal.com/ - Cached - Similar

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#32 Sep 16, 2010
Rider
Thanks for your imputs and Religion is a foreign subject to me
The title of this thread has a word "Tolerance".
May I ask the German born guest in UK to define Tolerance?
Let me have a clarification from the Catholic church CEO why his enterprise is not showing some tolerance to the female "DEVOTEES of Jesus?

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#33 Sep 16, 2010
rider wrote:
<quoted text>how You doing Ramafuchs-----Who cares apparently nobody--- Boy's Town Abuse!... at the time that I went to Rome and met with Cardinal Ratzinger.... Ratzinger is now in the limelight over this issue, but he couldn't get anyone to do ... Now you have picked up a new client and it ties directly into Boys Town....
www.jesus-is-savior.com/.../boys_town_abuse.h ...- Cached - Similar
Catholic Monarchy » Project Monarch... a conversation he had with Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) regarding The Franklin Cover-Up and the Boy's Town child sex-abuse scandal....
www.catholicmonarchy.com/blog/ ...- Cached-----The Franklin ScandalThe FRANKLIN SCANDAL is the story of a nationwide pedophile ring that pandered children to a cabal of the rich and powerful. The ring's pimps were a pair of ...
franklinscandal.com/ - Cached - Similar
I bought/read the book written by the journalist John DeCamp:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/franklincoveru...

There was follow-up on the victims and the justice FINALLY achieved against the perps.

But it wasn't enough. There couldn't ever BE "enough".

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#34 Sep 16, 2010
Ramafuchs wrote:
Rider
Thanks for your imputs and Religion is a foreign subject to me
The title of this thread has a word "Tolerance".
May I ask the German born guest in UK to define Tolerance?
Let me have a clarification from the Catholic church CEO why his enterprise is not showing some tolerance to the female "DEVOTEES of Jesus?
They can't. Papal infallacy makes it impossible for them to back down on their position concerning female priests. That's why they now have 4 'grave sins' against the church -- heresy, schism, pedophilia, and ordination of a woman.

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#35 Sep 16, 2010
My wife like the holy POPE is a christian and I am an Atheist .
Saying sorry is a language in Pubs or in streets but not as a president of VATICAN .
I feel so sorry for this guest in UK
Yellow and proud

Leeds, UK

#36 Sep 16, 2010
Ramafuchs wrote:
My wife like the holy POPE is a christian and I am an Atheist .
Saying sorry is a language in Pubs or in streets but not as a president of VATICAN .
I feel so sorry for this guest in UK
I'm sorry (there you go and I'm not in the pub or in the street) but many, many good people in Britain open the arms in welcome to the Pope.

Amongst the many virtues of Catholisism is the direction he brings to this country and it's leader, which is to follow the middle way between socialist terrorism and cut-throat capitalism. Middle class, decent Brits know this way instinctively yet have been blinded in recent years against their own instincts and past traditions. We hope that the Pope will inspire our better nature in this and many other areas.

Please listen and try to understand, instead of joining the arrogant blind.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#37 Sep 16, 2010
The Vatican is the largest, most oppulent private residence in the entire planet. Absolute power in action!

As Seneca said -- "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, the wise as false, and the rulers as useful."

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#38 Sep 16, 2010
Comrade yellow
Please
Rama Fuchs

Hedonist
I do agree that christianity is not the only religion which is full of admirros or blind uncrtical fans.
Death is far away but life is not so rosy.
Yellow and proud

Leeds, UK

#39 Sep 16, 2010
Hedonist wrote:
The Vatican is the largest, most oppulent private residence in the entire planet. Absolute power in action!
As Seneca said -- "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, the wise as false, and the rulers as useful."
The wise do not need wisdom, the rulers do not need rules and the religious have no need for religion.

Bread is not required by the full and water is of no use if thist has been quenched.

And yet, when society is falling apart due to greed, arrogance and ignorance the steady hand of enlightened tolerance, tradition and guidance is exactly what is required. Don't be fooled by quotes without a context. Above all, understand the context of this well timed visit.
redneck

Glendale, OR

#40 Sep 16, 2010
The Grand Dragon of pedophilia has got some balls under that dress he wears. Preach tolerance on one hand and in the same remarks,he preaches hatred to a group with a right to their own ideas. Just like the nazi he is.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#41 Sep 16, 2010
The Pope should stick to what he knows best- molesting young boys.

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