Pope: Church Too Slow to Respond to Sex Abuse

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Eleanor

Mundelein, IL

#1 Sep 16, 2010
Why leave it up to the church?

All reports of abuse should be handled by local law enforcement.

Priests deserve to be treated like anyone else who commits a crime.

Cuff 'em, haul them off to the pokey, and give them their day in court.
Trevor Swistchew

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#2 Sep 16, 2010
Eleanor wrote:
Why leave it up to the church?
All reports of abuse should be handled by local law enforcement.
Priests deserve to be treated like anyone else who commits a crime.
Cuff 'em, haul them off to the pokey, and give them their day in court.
Eleanor only if they are caught but the church covered it all over it is not easy for young child to get ear of law.not in the 60s for sure.

Since: Sep 10

Hamburg, NJ

#3 Sep 17, 2010
Trevor Swistchew wrote:
<quoted text>Eleanor only if they are caught but the church covered it all over it is not easy for young child to get ear of law.not in the 60s for sure.
Trevor, good point.
Yellow and Proud

UK

#4 Sep 17, 2010
Trevor Swistchew wrote:
<quoted text>Eleanor only if they are caught but the church covered it all over it is not easy for young child to get ear of law.not in the 60s for sure.
So what do you say Trev, many teachers are caught involved in pedophilia, so are doctors, so are social workers.

Do we ban schools and hospitals?

Why do you think 200,000 Scots turned up in Edinburgh and Glasgow if they feel the Catholic message is without relevance fin 21st C ?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#5 Sep 17, 2010
Yellow and Proud wrote:
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So what do you say Trev, many teachers are caught involved in pedophilia, so are doctors, so are social workers.
Do we ban schools and hospitals?
Why do you think 200,000 Scots turned up in Edinburgh and Glasgow if they feel the Catholic message is without relevance fin 21st C ?
Its relevance has dwindled.

Numbers in Glasgow were down two-thirds compared to the previous papal visit in 1982. That's not a success by any stretch of the imagination and shows a shrinking religion.

No, we don't close schools and hospitals but we do prosecute paedophiliac teachers, doctors and social workers.

I don't see many priests appearing in court.

QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#6 Sep 17, 2010
4:57 pm, Friday, September 17, 2010:
RE: Pope: Church Too Slow to Respond to Sex Abuse
..... One of the principles is that a person is deemed to be innocent until he/she has been convicted in a court of law, even if that person has been arrested and/or charged with (whatever).
..... As I see it, it was the responsibility of the victims of priest wrongdoers, or their parents, to file a complaint at the police AT THE TIME, enabling the police to then collect vital evidence with which to prosecute the suspect priest. The church authorities, as I see it, should NOT, and did NOT(?) get into this until AFTER the priest concerned had been convicted in court according to the relevant laws of the land. But after that conviction, and not before, the church authorities should then have acted swiftly to ensure that the convicted priests never again would be able to commit similar wrong activities, and also initiate church investigations with proper sanctions, including excommunication, because of violation of oaths/vows, etc. What would Jesus have said/done about similar cases in his time?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#7 Sep 17, 2010
Eleanor wrote:
Why leave it up to the church?
All reports of abuse should be handled by local law enforcement.
Priests deserve to be treated like anyone else who commits a crime.
Cuff 'em, haul them off to the pokey, and give them their day in court.
Agreed. They are so nasty!..Gross!
Yellow and Proud

UK

#8 Sep 17, 2010
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Its relevance has dwindled.
Numbers in Glasgow were down two-thirds compared to the previous papal visit in 1982. That's not a success by any stretch of the imagination and shows a shrinking religion.
No, we don't close schools and hospitals but we do prosecute paedophiliac teachers, doctors and social workers.
I don't see many priests appearing in court.
The Polish Pope was extremely popular. Benedict may not be as popular and he has come during a difficult time for the Church, but if you were here in the UK and read all the reports you would see for yourself that despite the doom-wishers forecasts, he has done a FANTASTIC job especially given his elderly and frail condition.

Do yourself a favourm take your nose out of the spittle in the press and look at the majecty of the Ocean.

Those that deser to be punished, will be. One way or another, justice ALWAYS prevails.
Yellow and Proud

UK

#9 Sep 17, 2010
...sorry about the dyslexia and typos

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#10 Sep 17, 2010
Most of the christians are..........
Some exceptions are there.
Yellow and Proud

UK

#11 Sep 17, 2010
Ramafuchs wrote:
Most of the christians are..........
Some exceptions are there.
Most of the christians are .... GOOD
Some exceptions are there.... there are BASTARDS everywhere

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#12 Sep 17, 2010
Too slow to respond sex abuse.
Why the hell I should..........
How about the other non-christians

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#13 Sep 18, 2010
Yellow and Proud wrote:
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The Polish Pope was extremely popular. Benedict may not be as popular and he has come during a difficult time for the Church, but if you were here in the UK and read all the reports you would see for yourself that despite the doom-wishers forecasts, he has done a FANTASTIC job especially given his elderly and frail condition.
Do yourself a favourm take your nose out of the spittle in the press and look at the majecty of the Ocean.
Those that deser to be punished, will be. One way or another, justice ALWAYS prevails.
Still doesn't change the fact that most folks simply aren't interested. We've moved on and the cankered medieval mindset of the Vatican is struggling to keep pace with secularism.

The whole idea of treating people fairly, irrespective of their sex, colour, creed, sexual orientation, etc, is a concept that the Catholic Church simply fails to grasp.

Only recently the United Nations singled Britain out for praise over the generous help and aid we gave to the victims of the floods in Pakistan. That's your Pope's idea of evil, eh? I wonder how much aid the Vatican provided?

The religious dogma of Catholicism lacks respect and compassion and we choose to reject it along with all its superstitious mumbo jumbo. I mean, you don't only get to worship your Lord but you also get to eat him and get a priest to mumble a few lines of insane ju-ju over a decent claret and you also get to drink his blood.

We don't need this nonsense. Unlike your Pope, we respect women enough to let them choose their own fertility. We accord gays equality in our society and treat them no less favourably than we would treat ourselves.

Let your spiritual leader go back to the Vatican where he can carry on spouting his inane dogma to those who want to listen.

He puts me in mind of a mammoth that's blundered into an ancient tar pit. Thrashing around and bellowing at life on dry land as he sinks deeper and deeper into the ooze. Soon he'll be gone and his particular species will be one step closer to extinction.
Yellow and Proud

Nottingham, UK

#14 Sep 18, 2010
Khatru wrote:
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Still doesn't change the fact that most folks simply aren't interested. We've moved on and the cankered medieval mindset of the Vatican is struggling to keep pace with secularism.....
Thrashing around and bellowing at life on dry land as he sinks deeper and deeper into the ooze. Soon he'll be gone and his particular species will be one step closer to extinction.
A lot more people are interested because the Catholic Church says a lot which is coming loud and clear despite the likes of fundementalists like yourself who aren't able to comprehend the symbolism of Catholicism or are unable to grasp the subtlty of Catholic attitudes to women or gays. There may be Dogma in the Catholic Church but there is no dogmatism. How complicated life must appear to you, lets just simplify it all to a Lady Gaga concert and everything will be fine.

Except it's not. Despite the glittery fairydust sprinkled on modern secularism, lies a heaving mass of ignorance, stagnation and greed.

The better parts of society have always been there and many of these are as a result of the traditions born out of Christian charity. The Pope recognizes this morality and moral fibre and has said so in his speeches. Likewise people like yourself need to educate yourself better in Christianity and the good works being carried out by the Church for humanity.

The mammoth may have entered a mire, but the mire is of all our making. The poor in the unemploment lines are not there because aggressive secularism is an all inclusive paradise on Earth.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#15 Sep 18, 2010
Yellow and Proud wrote:
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A lot more people are interested because the Catholic Church says a lot which is coming loud and clear despite the likes of fundementalists like yourself who aren't able to comprehend the symbolism of Catholicism or are unable to grasp the subtlty of Catholic attitudes to women or gays. There may be Dogma in the Catholic Church but there is no dogmatism. How complicated life must appear to you, lets just simplify it all to a Lady Gaga concert and everything will be fine.
Except it's not. Despite the glittery fairydust sprinkled on modern secularism, lies a heaving mass of ignorance, stagnation and greed.
The better parts of society have always been there and many of these are as a result of the traditions born out of Christian charity. The Pope recognizes this morality and moral fibre and has said so in his speeches. Likewise people like yourself need to educate yourself better in Christianity and the good works being carried out by the Church for humanity.
The mammoth may have entered a mire, but the mire is of all our making. The poor in the unemploment lines are not there because aggressive secularism is an all inclusive paradise on Earth.
I think it is a bit rich for a the Pope to accuse us of being in the grip of aggressive secularism. We don't feel the need to indoctrinate children at an impressionable age, without which every religion would die very quickly.

The subtlety of Catholic attitudes to women? Whatever those attitudes are, your church certainly doesn't treat women with respect or as equals to men. Only a few weeks ago the Vatican ranked the ordaining of women priests as being as grave a crime as paedophilia. Talk about being out of touch!

The morality that the Pope recognises isn't shared by the majority of British Catholics. You know, I would say that morality is all about doing what is right irrespective of what you're told. Christian morals are about doing what you're told irrespective about what is right. If you don't do as you're told then you're offending God. "You're either with us or you're damned" is the divisive mantra of Christianity.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that I know a fair bit about Christianity and maybe more about theology than many Christians. I choose to turn away from religion because of what I do know about, not because of what I don't. In any event, you don't need to know anything about fairy tales to have a sensible opinion about the existence of fairies.

Lady Gaga? Please.........

Deep Purple, Wishbone Ash, Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin, etc

Yellow and Proud

UK

#16 Sep 19, 2010
Khatru wrote:
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....
Deep Purple, Wishbone Ash, Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin, etc
See the word of the prophet
On a stone in his hand.
Poison pen revelation,
Or just a sign in the sand?

Since: Sep 10

Hamburg, NJ

#17 Sep 19, 2010
Eleanor wrote:
Why leave it up to the church?
All reports of abuse should be handled by local law enforcement.
Priests deserve to be treated like anyone else who commits a crime.
Cuff 'em, haul them off to the pokey, and give them their day in court.
I'm with you. They're certainly getting special treatment.

“Beauty on four legs”

Since: Sep 06

Location hidden

#18 Sep 19, 2010
Eleanor wrote:
Why leave it up to the church?
All reports of abuse should be handled by local law enforcement.
Priests deserve to be treated like anyone else who commits a crime.
Cuff 'em, haul them off to the pokey, and give them their day in court.
APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!
Yep.
Yellow and Proud

UK

#19 Sep 20, 2010
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
.... You know, I would say that morality is all about doing what is right irrespective of what you're told..........
That is quite correct, it's called following your conscience and is fully encouraged by the Catholic Church despite nonsensical claims otherwise.

Anyways:

Look at my flesh and bone
Now, look, look, look, look,
Look at his tower of stone
I see a rainbow rising
Look there, on the horizon
And I'm coming home, I'm coming home, I'm coming home

Time is standing still
He gave back my will
Ooh ooh ooh ooh
Going home
I'm going home

My eyes are bleeding
And my heart is leaving here
But it's not home
But it's not home
Ooh

“Beauty on four legs”

Since: Sep 06

Location hidden

#20 Sep 20, 2010
"the cankered medieval mindset of the Vatican"

Khatru, this is pure poetry, and captures the essence of the RCCult.

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