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Pope calls Christians the most persecuted

There are 75 comments on the The State story from Dec 16, 2010, titled Pope calls Christians the most persecuted. In it, The State reports that:

Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday that Christians suffer more religious persecution than any other group, denouncing lack of freedom of worship as an "intolerable" threat to world security.

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Since: Dec 10

Stroudsburg, PA

#63 Dec 31, 2010
Terrence747 wrote:
Christians don't feel like Christians unless they are "persecuted" - even if in modern times that is big stretch of the imagination.
They LOVE the thought of being persecuted - to them, it means they're RIGHT.
Adrian in Tacoma

Tacoma, WA

#64 Dec 31, 2010
Must we start with the crusades and inquisition, and then your love of indigenous cultures...
Dave

Lehigh Acres, FL

#65 Jan 2, 2011
Sheryl 1 wrote:
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Dave, brilliant post and I thank you. I've read of some of these things before, but I don't have the knowledge you do. However, I know your info is accurate.
Happy New Year :)
on the 'churchie' side of things, there is the book 'from jesus to christ' by paula fredericksen. it's about as generous to the church as one can historically be, regarding the transition from jesus as 'a guy' to jesus as 'almighty god'.
on the not so churchie side "The Jesus Mysteries: Was the "Original Jesus" a Pagan God?" by Timothy Freke is a thorough exposition of the stuff about the jesus story that the church wishes you didn't know. it's got a lot of good info regarding the pagan side of things (about which most people are pretty ignorant these days) and also a generous amount of info from early church fathers regarding the um 'strong similarities' between the jesus they were pushing and the pagan demigods they were opposing. especially telling is their repeated lament that jesus is just like the demigods, but the demigods came first.
RCC Truth Squad

Granger, IN

#66 Jan 3, 2011
Dave wrote:
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on the 'churchie' side of things, there is the book 'from jesus to christ' by paula fredericksen. it's about as generous to the church as one can historically be, regarding the transition from jesus as 'a guy' to jesus as 'almighty god'.
on the not so churchie side "The Jesus Mysteries: Was the "Original Jesus" a Pagan God?" by Timothy Freke is a thorough exposition of the stuff about the jesus story that the church wishes you didn't know. it's got a lot of good info regarding the pagan side of things (about which most people are pretty ignorant these days) and also a generous amount of info from early church fathers regarding the um 'strong similarities' between the jesus they were pushing and the pagan demigods they were opposing. especially telling is their repeated lament that jesus is just like the demigods, but the demigods came first.
Christianity is a continuation and fulfillment of Judaism. That makes it quite a bit older by several thousand years than your pagan references of Greco-Roman days.

Pagans (you use that term in a perjorative fashion for some reason) like all human beings were born with an innate longing for God and His Truth. It would be very strange indeed for there to be NO similarities to Christianity or Christian rituals and liturgical practices.

These writings your refer to are regurgitated old news from the dustbin of heresies. I do agree that all people should MOST surely read the Early Church Fathers. It will lead to the discovery of the True Jesus, the Eucharist and the truth of the Roman Catholic Church and what it teaches. Thank you for bringing that out.
Dave

Lehigh Acres, FL

#67 Jan 4, 2011
RCC Truth Squad wrote:
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Christianity is a continuation and fulfillment of Judaism. That makes it quite a bit older by several thousand years than your pagan references of Greco-Roman days.
Pagans (you use that term in a perjorative fashion for some reason) like all human beings were born with an innate longing for God and His Truth. It would be very strange indeed for there to be NO similarities to Christianity or Christian rituals and liturgical practices.
These writings your refer to are regurgitated old news from the dustbin of heresies. I do agree that all people should MOST surely read the Early Church Fathers. It will lead to the discovery of the True Jesus, the Eucharist and the truth of the Roman Catholic Church and what it teaches. Thank you for bringing that out.
christianity is certainly no older than it's founder. jesus was born somewhere before 4 bce, when herod the great died (perhaps around 6bce? church tradition says that jesus spent the first few years of his life in egypt...). he died at about the age of 30, shortly after he began his ministry (those that claim a 3 year ministry will say he was 33), so somewhere between 23ce and about 26ce. and while the jesus movement was, during the lifetime of jesus, very characteristic of what was current in israel at the time, what it became after his death is virtually devoid of jewish character (as is to be expected from an institution that is virtually devoid of jewish influence...)
also, judaism is not older than pagan beliefs. the very first jew, abraham, came from a family that was already practicing pagan beliefs (go read your bible, it's in there...) while it may be argued that there was a long tradition of worship of god that extends all the way back to eden... jewish beliefs and practice start with abaraham. before abraham everyone was under the laws of noah. since abraham, everyone else is still under the laws of noah, except the jews who are under the covenant of abraham.
i didn't use the term pagans perjoritively, but it's ok if you say that i do... polytheists are pointed out to us under our covenant as a specific enemy. other monotheisms are not. christianity has long pleaded it's case as a monotheism for this very reason, that despite the obvious issues presented by having a diety that is actually 3 separate beings...
i'm not going to speculate with you about the innate nature of the soul, but as regards beliefs and practices, these are created through long, social, formative traditions. there are no 2 belief systems in the world that greatly resemble one another without contact and interaction. specifically, what christianity borrows from the demigods of the pagan world is;
in the demigod tradition, a child of a god is born by a mortal woman. this child exists as a mortal, until he undertakes a journey during which time he overcomes a number of obstacles, in order to fulfill his destiny. ultimately, he finds that he must sacrifice his own life in order to save all of humanity and he does, and by so doing, achieves godhood.
hercules, dionysus, mithra... these are the demigods from whom jesus' tradition was fashioned. the early church fathers all left records lamenting this.
and as far as this being 'heresy' all that term means is 'something we don't approve of'. from the earliest days, christianity has always had to defend itself against the fact that jesus was utterly un-original (his sayings are all borrowed from prominent jewish sages) and his story has been re-dressed in the garb of all the other demigods. and to top it all off... he was an utter failure. he wanted to be messiah (you've got to be king of israel to be messiah and he failed and died trying to start a revolution) but he didn't fulfill even the littlest bit of the role...
if it weren't for the heavy magic that the early church draped itself in (promises of eternal life and all) and the superior jewish ethics they borrowed, the church wouldn't even be a memory
Dave

Lehigh Acres, FL

#68 Jan 4, 2011
RCC Truth Squad wrote:
<quoted text>
Christianity is a continuation and fulfillment of Judaism. That makes it quite a bit older by several thousand years than your pagan references of Greco-Roman days.
Pagans (you use that term in a perjorative fashion for some reason) like all human beings were born with an innate longing for God and His Truth. It would be very strange indeed for there to be NO similarities to Christianity or Christian rituals and liturgical practices.
These writings your refer to are regurgitated old news from the dustbin of heresies. I do agree that all people should MOST surely read the Early Church Fathers. It will lead to the discovery of the True Jesus, the Eucharist and the truth of the Roman Catholic Church and what it teaches. Thank you for bringing that out.
christianity is certainly no older than it's founder. jesus was born somewhere before 4 bce, when herod the great died (perhaps around 6bce? church tradition says that jesus spent the first few years of his life in egypt...). he died at about the age of 30, shortly after he began his ministry (those that claim a 3 year ministry will say he was 33), so somewhere between 23ce and about 26ce. and while the jesus movement was, during the lifetime of jesus, very characteristic of what was current in israel at the time, what it became after his death is virtually devoid of jewish character (as is to be expected from an institution that is virtually devoid of jewish influence...)
also, judaism is not older than pagan beliefs. the very first jew, abraham, came from a family that was already practicing pagan beliefs (go read your bible, it's in there...) while it may be argued that there was a long tradition of worship of god that extends all the way back to eden... jewish beliefs and practice start with abaraham. before abraham everyone was under the laws of noah. since abraham, everyone else is still under the laws of noah, except the jews who are under the covenant of abraham.
i didn't use the term pagans perjoritively, but it's ok if you say that i do... polytheists are pointed out to us under our covenant as a specific enemy. other monotheisms are not. christianity has long pleaded it's case as a monotheism for this very reason, that despite the obvious issues presented by having a diety that is actually 3 separate beings...
i'm not going to speculate with you about the innate nature of the soul, but as regards beliefs and practices, these are created through long, social, formative traditions. there are no 2 belief systems in the world that greatly resemble one another without contact and interaction. specifically, what christianity borrows from the demigods of the pagan world is;
in the demigod tradition, a child of a god is born by a mortal woman. this child exists as a mortal, until he undertakes a journey during which time he overcomes a number of obstacles, in order to fulfill his destiny. ultimately, he finds that he must sacrifice his own life in order to save all of humanity and he does, and by so doing, achieves godhood.
hercules, dionysus, mithra... these are the demigods from whom jesus' tradition was fashioned. the early church fathers all left records lamenting this.
and as far as this being 'heresy' all that term means is 'something we don't approve of'. from the earliest days, christianity has always had to defend itself against the fact that jesus was utterly un-original (his sayings are all borrowed from prominent jewish sages) and his story has been re-dressed in the garb of all the other demigods. and to top it all off... he was an utter failure. he wanted to be messiah (you've got to be king of israel to be messiah and he failed and died trying to start a revolution) but he didn't fulfill even the littlest bit of the role...
if it weren't for the heavy magic that the early church draped itself in (promises of eternal life and all) and the superior jewish ethics they borrowed, the church wouldn't even be a memory.
Dave

Lehigh Acres, FL

#69 Jan 4, 2011
christianity is certainly no older than it's founder. jesus was born somewhere before 4 bce, when herod the great died (perhaps around 6bce? church tradition says that jesus spent the first few years of his life in egypt...). he died at about the age of 30, shortly after he began his ministry (those that claim a 3 year ministry will say he was 33), so somewhere between 23ce and about 26ce. and while the jesus movement was, during the lifetime of jesus, very characteristic of what was current in israel at the time, what it became after his death is virtually devoid of jewish character (as is to be expected from an institution that is virtually devoid of jewish influence...)
also, judaism is not older than pagan beliefs. the very first jew, abraham, came from a family that was already practicing pagan beliefs (go read your bible, it's in there...) while it may be argued that there was a long tradition of worship of god that extends all the way back to eden... jewish beliefs and practice start with abaraham. before abraham everyone was under the laws of noah. since abraham, everyone else is still under the laws of noah, except the jews who are under the covenant of abraham.
i didn't use the term pagans perjoritively, but it's ok if you say that i do... polytheists are pointed out to us under our covenant as a specific enemy. other monotheisms are not. christianity has long pleaded it's case as a monotheism for this very reason, that despite the obvious issues presented by having a diety that is actually 3 separate beings...
i'm not going to speculate with you about the innate nature of the soul, but as regards beliefs and practices, these are created through long, social, formative traditions. there are no 2 belief systems in the world that greatly resemble one another without contact and interaction. specifically, what christianity borrows from the demigods of the pagan world is;
in the demigod tradition, a child of a god is born by a mortal woman. this child exists as a mortal, until he undertakes a journey during which time he overcomes a number of obstacles, in order to fulfill his destiny. ultimately, he finds that he must sacrifice his own life in order to save all of humanity and he does, and by so doing, achieves godhood.
hercules, dionysus, mithra... these are the demigods from whom jesus' tradition was fashioned. the early church fathers all left records lamenting this.
and as far as this being 'heresy' all that term means is 'something we don't approve of'. from the earliest days, christianity has always had to defend itself against the fact that jesus was utterly un-original (his sayings are all borrowed from prominent jewish sages) and his story has been re-dressed in the garb of all the other demigods. and to top it all off... he was an utter failure. he wanted to be messiah (you've got to be king of israel to be messiah and he failed and died trying to start a revolution) but he didn't fulfill even the littlest bit of the role...
if it weren't for the heavy magic that the early church draped itself in (promises of eternal life and all) and the superior jewish ethics they borrowed, the church wouldn't even be a memory.
my kind of town

Oak Ridge, TN

#70 Jan 4, 2011
Pope is right .Jews committed holocaust upon millions of Palestinian Christians .Muslims have been killing Christians in the name of Allah(may shit be upon him) left and right .

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#71 Jan 4, 2011
Made in Germany
Vatican president
and a top
CEO of a sect which has one idol
who was a Jew and crucified
should keep his mouth shut until next Xmas.

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#72 Jan 4, 2011
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/TQ5T58OHI0V2...
Comrade Catholic born CEO of of a religion
how many christians were executed in the globe?
Why the hell you people have no rational thoughts to uphold the virutues or vices of that crucified Jew Jesus.
Amen

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#73 Jan 4, 2011
Done' you Know Pope that Christianity is born out of crucification of an innocent Jew whose name is Jesus.
How long and what for you wish to be a CEO or Sales manager of this product

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#75 Jan 4, 2011
My worlds are poignent and nothing to do with profanity.,
The subject is about Pope

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#76 Jan 4, 2011
I repeat mywords born out of rationality.
Christianity is born out of crucification of an innocent Jew whose name is jesus.
We just have a commercial consume-oriented christmas which has nothing to do with Jesus.

Comrade Pope
you had never addressed this basic culture.
Forget about the child abuse
Dave

Lehigh Acres, FL

#77 Jan 4, 2011
Ramafuchs wrote:
I repeat mywords born out of rationality.
Christianity is born out of crucification of an innocent Jew whose name is jesus.
We just have a commercial consume-oriented christmas which has nothing to do with Jesus.
Comrade Pope
you had never addressed this basic culture.
Forget about the child abuse
jesus attempted to instigate a revolution. he was accused of having committed crimes worthy of the death penalty and he admitted to having committed the crimes. his closest associates were murderers and women of ill repute. he took money that was donated to feed the poor and spent it on oil for his skin and massages for his feet. he ordered his followers to arm themselves, even if it meant selling their clothes to do so and instructed them to go out and set man against man and child against parent. he attacked priests with a bullwhip while they were assisting religiously observant jews with their passover donations to the temple. he openly attacked observance of the most basic jewish observance (shabbat).
it's all there in the christian bible. to call a man such as this 'innocent' is just stupid. and his name wasn't jesus. he was a jew, and he had a jewish name. iesous is the greek version of the name joshua or you could call him yahushua if you wanna 'go native'.

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#78 Jan 4, 2011
Dave
Excuse me please I am a die hard Atheist and my wife is a Christian.
Pope is also a Christian made in Germany.

Of course I am of the opinion that Jeus is as innocent and as my poor self.
I am happy this funny corrupt consume festival is over now.
Most of the jews have least respect for christian consume festival..
I will go deep about this barbaric religious nonsense in due course..
Now it is enough and accept my respectful thanks

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