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Coyote Killing Contest Sparks Outrage in New Mexico

There are 1270 comments on the ABC News story from Nov 17, 2012, titled Coyote Killing Contest Sparks Outrage in New Mexico. In it, ABC News reports that:

A gun store-sponsored competition in which hunters shoot and kill as many coyotes as they can has sparked outrage among activists in New Mexico who have called it a "heinous killing contest." Animal Protection of New Mexico posted a petition on its website, rallying against the contest, which is sponsored by Gunhawk Firearms of Los Lunas.

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Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#84 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Speak for yourself. I'll head into the hills and fend for myself until the day I die. I'm hoping my other plan comes to fruition instead and that Teaxs secedes. That's why I own property there.
Don't count on Texas being a good place to live much longer. Liberal creeps are moving here to escape high taxes and unreasonable laws from places like California. Problem is, the fools want to bring their liberal ideas with
them. Soon, Texas can be like Kommiefornia.
BATFE

Portland, OR

#85 Nov 17, 2012
Keep wrote:
<quoted text>
your personal life out of this.
Spewed the Santa Fe Sock Puppet.
BATFE

Portland, OR

#86 Nov 17, 2012
They wrote:
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grow 'em stupid where I come from
Spewed the Santa Fe Sock Puppet.
True Blue

White Oak, TX

#87 Nov 17, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>If only your parents would have had the choice!
Lmao! Now that's funny....
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#88 Nov 17, 2012
Defiant1 wrote:
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"And killing them DOES increase their population."
It does, how?.
It's kinda, sorta, like cutting the head off the Hydra, and two more heads take its place!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#89 Nov 17, 2012
Defiant1 wrote:
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"And killing them DOES increase their population."
It does, how?.
Coyotes have a structured family life. When humans mess with it, it throws off their normal breeding habits and you now have more coyotes breeding, rather than just the alphas, as it would normally be. It's explained further here. http://www.necn.com/12/10/11/Coyote-hunting-j...

I also learned that at a ranger lead program offered at Custer State Park in SD a few years ago. Humans have so many misunderstandings of wildlife. That'w why we mess things up when we start interfering. We think we know better, but usually we get it wrong.

Just look at the imbalance in Yellowstone after we eliminated the wolves. That's why they had to reintroduce them.

Thanks for asking.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#90 Nov 17, 2012
Defiant1 wrote:
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Don't count on Texas being a good place to live much longer. Liberal creeps are moving here to escape high taxes and unreasonable laws from places like California. Problem is, the fools want to bring their liberal ideas with
them. Soon, Texas can be like Kommiefornia.
I hear ya. Maybe I should buy land in CA.:)

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#91 Nov 17, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>150 acres, Tex. Hardly a petting zoo. I also have an education and my parents weren't first cousins. It's like I said....you are inadequate. Ask your wife....she'll tell you.
Ha No, they were probably brother and sister... Anyone can cuss like she lives in a trash can to get her point across, dear, very sad... You really need lots of growing up, you totally have some kind of mental issue.....

Ranchers and farmers can load up all the coyotes and drop them off at your place... You can do what you want with them..
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#92 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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No predators diet is restricted to JUST rats or mice. It's up to you to protect your chickens. Put them in a pen if you have to.
We do have a varmit proof chicken house where we fasten the poultry up when they go to roost at nite. I dont want pen caged chickens. Our poultry is free range mixed half bantam breeds. they roam on my property and eat the grasshoppers ticks and weed seeds ect. I dont have to provide then with a lot of expensize commercial feed. Free range is very cost effective. Our poultry get exercise &a varied diet. They stay healthier and live a good longer life. Free range poultry & eggs are better and tastier than hot housed sweat shop fowl. Im not about to change a very successfull operation just because of your misguided opinion. You correct its up to me to protect my poultry crops & livestock. And I do just that by exterminating varmits.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#93 Nov 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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It's kinda, sorta, like cutting the head off the Hydra, and two more heads take its place!
You're not far off with that analogy. Ever try pulling crabgrass and have a larger bunch take its place a week later?
Dr Freud

Northwich, UK

#94 Nov 17, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> We do have a varmit proof chicken house where we fasten the poultry up when they go to roost at nite. I dont want pen caged chickens. Our poultry is free range mixed half bantam breeds. they roam on my property and eat the grasshoppers ticks and weed seeds ect. I dont have to provide then with a lot of expensize commercial feed. Free range is very cost effective. Our poultry get exercise &a varied diet. They stay healthier and live a good longer life. Free range poultry & eggs are better and tastier than hot housed sweat shop fowl. Im not about to change a very successfull operation just because of your misguided opinion. You correct its up to me to protect my poultry crops & livestock. And I do just that by exterminating varmits.
Very well said!
In addition to that, is this: Coyotes are NOT native to your state. Rather, they moved there after they are 'evicted' from the American southwest by the cattle farmers of that region.
See this:
http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/ma...
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#95 Nov 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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Very well said!
In addition to that, is this: Coyotes are NOT native to your state. Rather, they moved there after they are 'evicted' from the American southwest by the cattle farmers of that region.
See this:
http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/ma...
Your correct. I never seen a or heard coyote here until the late sixties. they became a plentiful nusiance within a decade. With their increase the number of gray & red fox declined. Given the opportunity they will kill a fox. And a fox is primarily a rodent hunter. Fox dont kill sheep & goats ect. A fox will get a chicken but if you have a little yappy dog a fox will stay away. The Coyotes will kill and eat the little yappy dog. and a fox is mostly nocturnal and hunts when my poultry is secure in their coops. I would prefer the coyots where gone and the fox return. besides a fox pelt still brings a good price in the fur market. A coyote pelt aint worth nuthin.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#96 Nov 17, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> We do have a varmit proof chicken house where we fasten the poultry up when they go to roost at nite. I dont want pen caged chickens. Our poultry is free range mixed half bantam breeds. they roam on my property and eat the grasshoppers ticks and weed seeds ect. I dont have to provide then with a lot of expensize commercial feed. Free range is very cost effective. Our poultry get exercise &a varied diet. They stay healthier and live a good longer life. Free range poultry & eggs are better and tastier than hot housed sweat shop fowl. Im not about to change a very successfull operation just because of your misguided opinion. You correct its up to me to protect my poultry crops & livestock. And I do just that by exterminating varmits.
When I mention penning them, I don't mean locked in cages with no place to move. Coyotes can't get through a chicken wire fence. That's what I have surrounding my half acre and no coyote has ever climbed it or gotten through.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#97 Nov 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well said!
In addition to that, is this: Coyotes are NOT native to your state. Rather, they moved there after they are 'evicted' from the American southwest by the cattle farmers of that region.
See this:
http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/ma...
"Coyotes are NOT native to your state."
That's not what the the very link you provided says!
"In addition to their NATURAL RANGE EXPANSION, coyotes have been illegally trucked in from western states and released"-(in Florida).

They indeed DID EXPAND NATURALLY into Arkansas and elsewhere.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#98 Nov 17, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> Your correct. I never seen a or heard coyote here until the late sixties. they became a plentiful nusiance within a decade. With their increase the number of gray & red fox declined. Given the opportunity they will kill a fox. And a fox is primarily a rodent hunter. Fox dont kill sheep & goats ect. A fox will get a chicken but if you have a little yappy dog a fox will stay away. The Coyotes will kill and eat the little yappy dog. and a fox is mostly nocturnal and hunts when my poultry is secure in their coops. I would prefer the coyots where gone and the fox return. besides a fox pelt still brings a good price in the fur market. A coyote pelt aint worth nuthin.
You never seen deer, blackbirds or vultures either, Churm. Do you really want us to believe that Arkansas had no animals until 1960?

I know someone who says the same thing about wolves... that he prefer the wolves gone and the coyotes return.

Jeez. Can't you people ever just be happy with what you have?
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#99 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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When I mention penning them, I don't mean locked in cages with no place to move. Coyotes can't get through a chicken wire fence. That's what I have surrounding my half acre and no coyote has ever climbed it or gotten through.
Yes they can. They can chew & tear a hole through the common heaxogonal chicken wire. If you had chickens or some other desirable food on the other side they would climb over or dig under. Ive seen a coyote jump a 6 foot chain link fence. I had a female beagle who could climb chain link fence. We had to put a top on the dog pen. You have dogs inside that enclousure they have marked their territory and there isnt a compelling reason for a coyote to want to enter you place. Your suggestions simply just are not feasable.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#100 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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You never seen deer, blackbirds or vultures either, Churm. Do you really want us to believe that Arkansas had no animals until 1960?
I know someone who says the same thing about wolves... that he prefer the wolves gone and the coyotes return.
Jeez. Can't you people ever just be happy with what you have?
yep there werent many deer in the fifties & sixties. The blackbirds came when thay started growing rice in 1964. We had cowbird,s and shot them with the pellett gun. My brother once shot one right off the bulls back. The black vultures are a recient newcomer. the armadillo & cougar are recient also. Turkey was rare. squirrl quail & racoon where plentiful as where doves & songbirds. Country people kept the varmits in check back then to keep from starving. Everyone had a garden and a fattening hog or two.We lived on the income from 6 hand milked cows and a fifteen acre cotton allottment. Any extra had to be made by hunting & trapping. or cutting timber. We also horse & coon dog traded a lot. We even skinned out the skunk to sell the hides, We got a penny for each squrril tail. We werent about to let deer eat our corn that fed the pigs chicken etc. When the corn got in the dough stage we slept out in the field with the hounds close at hand. If you had a job it paid twentyfive cents per hour. 50 cents was big money! We shot every hawk & vulture we saw. That hawk might catch a squirrl or rabbitt we needed for food. Or god forbid get a chicken! that vulture might bring black leg colera or anthrax or some other disease to our livestock.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#101 Nov 17, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> Yes they can. They can chew & tear a hole through the common heaxogonal chicken wire. If you had chickens or some other desirable food on the other side they would climb over or dig under. Ive seen a coyote jump a 6 foot chain link fence. I had a female beagle who could climb chain link fence. We had to put a top on the dog pen. You have dogs inside that enclousure they have marked their territory and there isnt a compelling reason for a coyote to want to enter you place. Your suggestions simply just are not feasable.
Maybe not, but I'll keep trying.:) I'm just trying to save a few innocent lives! And they ARE innocent. They are just animals trying to survive in a tough world.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#102 Nov 17, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> yep there werent many deer in the fifties & sixties. The blackbirds came when thay started growing rice in 1964. We had cowbird,s and shot them with the pellett gun. My brother once shot one right off the bulls back. The black vultures are a recient newcomer. the armadillo & cougar are recient also. Turkey was rare. squirrl quail & racoon where plentiful as where doves & songbirds. Country people kept the varmits in check back then to keep from starving. Everyone had a garden and a fattening hog or two.We lived on the income from 6 hand milked cows and a fifteen acre cotton allottment. Any extra had to be made by hunting & trapping. or cutting timber. We also horse & coon dog traded a lot. We even skinned out the skunk to sell the hides, We got a penny for each squrril tail. We werent about to let deer eat our corn that fed the pigs chicken etc. When the corn got in the dough stage we slept out in the field with the hounds close at hand. If you had a job it paid twentyfive cents per hour. 50 cents was big money! We shot every hawk & vulture we saw. That hawk might catch a squirrl or rabbitt we needed for food. Or god forbid get a chicken! that vulture might bring black leg colera or anthrax or some other disease to our livestock.
God, you talk like the depression was going on then. Do you really think if a hawk took a squirrel or rabbit that you would starve to death? There are PLENTY to go around. Sounds like you were really paranoid for no reason. Really...bring a disease to your livestock? What about the rodents that could bring disease to your livestock by eliminating the hawks that eat rodents? If you were that poor you could never trap fifteen acres worth of rodents. And putting poison out could kill the squirrels and rabbits you want to eat. Damn, there's that circle again.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#103 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Maybe not, but I'll keep trying.:) I'm just trying to save a few innocent lives! And they ARE innocent. They are just animals trying to survive in a tough world.
So are the poor animals in the range.. It's very heartbreaking to see a lamb or calf torn away from their mothers and killed by coyotes... Don't you think they were innocent as well?

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