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Israeli PM makes appeal to US voters: Elect president willing to draw 'red line' with Iran

There are 114 comments on the The Washington Post story from Sep 16, 2012, titled Israeli PM makes appeal to US voters: Elect president willing to draw 'red line' with Iran. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

In this Sept. 11, 2012, photo, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks during a joint press conference with his Bulgarian counterpart Boyko Borissov, not seen, in Jerusalem.

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BO Non stop Media Farting

Phoenix, AZ

#23 Sep 18, 2012
Barack hates Jews and Israel. It's 911 and Holocaust hatred repeated in the form of Barack. Hatred was deeply ingrained in him as a child during his muslim upbringing. Barack tried to give a campaign speech for his 2008 presidential election at the Berlin Gates where Hitler proclaimed victory over Jews. Today we know that Hitler helped jumpstart the Muslim Brotherhood when it languished at 10,000. The Nazis and Islam shared a hate of Jews and Israel. So does Barack. Although he attempted to hide it, his hatred toward Netanyanhu was evident in his stink eye look and abandoning the Israel PM in a room without appropriate refreshments to go dine with his family.

Jew Americans you should be ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES for supporting a holocaust reincarnate in the form of Barack. Stand back from voting for him or you will deserve your fate in his hands. Same with gays and women. Islam kills them with the same kind of treatment given the US ambassador.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#24 Sep 18, 2012
BO Non stop Media Farting wrote:
Barack hates Jews and Israel. It's 911 and Holocaust hatred repeated in the form of Barack. Hatred was deeply ingrained in him as a child during his muslim upbringing. Barack tried to give a campaign speech for his 2008 presidential election at the Berlin Gates where Hitler proclaimed victory over Jews. Today we know that Hitler helped jumpstart the Muslim Brotherhood when it languished at 10,000. The Nazis and Islam shared a hate of Jews and Israel. So does Barack. Although he attempted to hide it, his hatred toward Netanyanhu was evident in his stink eye look and abandoning the Israel PM in a room without appropriate refreshments to go dine with his family.
Jew Americans you should be ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES for supporting a holocaust reincarnate in the form of Barack. Stand back from voting for him or you will deserve your fate in his hands. Same with gays and women. Islam kills them with the same kind of treatment given the US ambassador.
To hell with israel and their terrorist government period.I can assure you many americans feel the same way.
The USS Liberty

Yeoman, IN

#25 Sep 19, 2012
voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#27 Sep 19, 2012
The USS Liberty wrote:
The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.

You are using the blood of the victims of the USS Liberty and Pollard to vilify Israel.

It doesn't work, pal.

If that is all you 'have on us'... our relation ain't too bad..

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Jill

Pahrump, NV

#28 Sep 19, 2012
voice of peace wrote:
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The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.
You are using the blood of the victims of the USS Liberty and Pollard to vilify Israel.
It doesn't work, pal.
If that is all you 'have on us'... our relation ain't too bad..
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Quit apologizing for them!!!
Read the official website. It was a deliberate attack. They should ge nothing from us ever!!

Remember the Liberty!!!
ussliberty.org
Max

Montréal, Canada

#29 Sep 19, 2012
BO Non stop Media Farting wrote:
Barack hates Jews and Israel.
I dont know.... Honestly, I wonder what Barack wants, or why he ended up president too. I think he just wanted to be a black president. It is possible that he doesnt care about anything at all, and just say ''yes yes'' to any suggestion his entourage suggests him.
voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#30 Sep 19, 2012
Jill wrote:
<quoted text>
Quit apologizing for them!!!
Read the official website. It was a deliberate attack. They should ge nothing from us ever!!
Remember the Liberty!!!
ussliberty.org
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The USS Liberty
by Mitchell Bard

The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.

On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship under the dual control of the Defense Intelligence Agency/Central Intelligence Agency and the Sixth Fleet, was assigned to monitor the fighting.

As a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty, the ship sailed to within 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship shelling its soldiers and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled after a message was received at the White House that the Israelis had admitted they had attacked the ship.

Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.

According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1 The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.

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voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#31 Sep 19, 2012
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A CIA report on the incident issued June 13, 1967, also found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. After the air raid, Israeli torpedo boats identified the Liberty as an Egyptian naval vessel.

When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors. In 1981, the National Security Agency noted that accounts by members of the Liberty crew and others did not have access to the relevant signal intelligence reports or the confidential explanation provided by Israel to the United States, which were used in the CIA investigation.

The NSA concluded:“While these [signal intelligence of Israeli communications] reports revealed some confusion on the part of the pilots concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American.”2a

The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error,(2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.”

The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.

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voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#32 Sep 19, 2012
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Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3 Once the Israelis were sure what had happened, they reported the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and offered to provide a helicopter for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. The offer was accepted and a U.S. naval attaché was flown to the Liberty.

The Israelis were “obviously shocked” by the error they made in attacking the ship, according to the U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv. In fact, according to a secret report on the 1967 war, the immediate concern was that the Arabs might see the proximity of the Liberty to the conflict as evidence of U.S.-Israel collusion.3a

A second secret report concluded,“While the attack showed a degree of impetuosity and recklessness, it was also clear that the presence of a U.S. naval vessel, unannounced, that close to belligerent shores at a time when we had made much of the fact that no U.S. military forces were moving near the area of hostilities was inviting disaster.”3b

Many of the survivors of the Liberty remain bitter, and are convinced the attack was deliberate as they make clear on their web site. In 1991, columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak trumpeted their discovery of an American who said he had been in the Israeli war room when the decision was made to knowingly attack the American ship.4 In fact, that individual, Seth Mintz, wrote a letter to the Washington Post on November 9, 1991, in which he said he was misquoted by Evans and Novak and that the attack, was, in fact, a “case of mistaken identity.” Moreover, the man who Mintz originally said had been with him, a Gen. Benni Matti, does not exist.

Also, contrary to claims that an Israeli pilot identified the ship as American on a radio tape, no one has ever produced this tape. In fact, the official Israeli Air Force tape clearly established that no such identification of the ship was made by the Israeli pilots prior to the attack.

Tapes of the radio transmissions made prior, during and after the attack do not contain any statement suggesting the pilots saw a U.S. flag before the attack. During the attack, a pilot specifically says,“there is no flag on her!” The recordings also indicate that once the pilots became concerned about the identity of the ship, by virtue of reading its hull number, they terminated the attack and they were given an order to leave the area. A transcript of the radio transmissions indicates the entire incident, beginning with the spotting of a mysterious vessel off El Arish and ending with the chief air controller at general headquarters in Tel Aviv telling another controller the ship was “apparently American” took 24 minutes.5

Critics claimed the Israeli tape was doctored, but the National Security Agency of the United States released formerly top secret transcripts in July 2003 that confirmed the Israeli version.
voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#33 Sep 19, 2012
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A U.S. spy plane was sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack on the Liberty and recorded the conversations of two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 p.m. on June 8.

The orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at the Hatzor base instructing them to search for Egyptian survivors from the “Egyptian warship” that had just been bombed were also recorded by the NSA.“Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian,” the pilots were informed. Nine minutes later, Hatzor told the pilots the ship was believed to be an Egyptian cargo ship.

At 3:07, the pilots were first told the ship might not be Egyptian and were instructed to search for survivors and inform the base immediately the nationality of the first person they rescued. It was not until 3:12 that one of the pilots reported that he saw an American flag flying over the ship at which point he was instructed to verify if it was indeed a U.S. vessel.6
In October 2003, the first Israeli pilot to reach the ship broke his 36-year silence on the attack. Brig.-Gen. Yiftah Spector, a triple ace, who shot down 15 enemy aircraft and took part in the 1981 raid on the Iraqi nuclear reactor, said he had been told an Egyptian ship was off the Gaza coast.

“This ship positively did not have any symbol or flag that I could see. What I was concerned with was that it was not one of ours. I looked for the symbol of our navy, which was a large white cross on its deck. This was not there, so it wasn't one of ours.” The Jerusalem Post obtained a recording of Spector's radio transmission in which he said,“I can't identify it, but in any case it's a military ship.”7

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voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#34 Sep 19, 2012
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Spector's plane was not armed with bombs or, he said, he would have sunk the Liberty. Instead he fired 30mm armor piercing rounds that led the American survivors to believe they had been under rocket attack. His first pass ignited a fire, which caused the ship to billow black smoke that Spector thought was a ruse to conceal the ship.

Spector acknowledged in the Post interview that he made a mistake, and said he admitted it when called to testify in an inquiry by a U.S. senator.“I'm sorry for the mistake,” he said.“Years later my mates dropped flowers on the site where the ship was attacked.”

None of Israel's accusers can explain why Israel would deliberately attack an American ship at a time when the United States was Israel's only friend and supporter in the world. Confusion in a long line of communications, which occurred in a tense atmosphere on both the American and Israeli sides (five messages from the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the ship to remain at least 25 miles — the last four said 100 miles — off the Egyptian coast arrived after the attack was over) is a more probable explanation.

Accidents caused by “friendly fire” are common in wartime. In 1988, the U.S. Navy mistakenly downed an Iranian passenger plane, killing 290 civilians. During the Gulf War, 35 of the 148 Americans who died in battle were killed by “friendly fire.”
In April 1994, two U.S. Black Hawk helicopters with large U.S. flags painted on each side were shot down by U.S. Air Force F-15s on a clear day in the “no fly” zone of Iraq, killing 26 people. In April 2002, an American F-16 dropped a bomb that killed four Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan. In fact, the day before the Liberty was attacked, Israeli pilots accidentally bombed one of their own armored columns.8

Retired Admiral, Shlomo Erell, who was Chief of the Navy in Israel in June 1967, told the Associated Press (June 5, 1977):“No one would ever have dreamt that an American ship would be there. Even the United States didn't know where its ship was. We were advised by the proper authorities that there was no American ship within 100 miles.”
Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara told Congress on July 26, 1967:“It was the conclusion of the investigatory body, headed by an admiral of the Navy in whom we have great confidence, that the attack was not intentional.”

In 1987, McNamara repeated his belief that the attack was a mistake, telling a caller on the “Larry King Show” that he had seen nothing in the 20 years since to change his mind that there had been no “cover­up.”9

In January 2004, the State Department held a conference on the Liberty incident and also released new documents, including CIA memos dated June 13 and June 21, 1967, that say that Israel did not know it was striking an American vessel. The historian for the National Security Agency, David Hatch, said the available evidence “strongly suggested” Israel did not know it was attacking a U.S. ship.

Two former U.S. officials, Ernest Castle, the United States Naval Attache at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv in June 1967, who received the first report of the attack from Israel, and John Hadden, then CIA Chief of Station in Tel Aviv, also agreed with the assessment that the attack on the Liberty was a mistake.10

The new documents do not shed any light on the mystery of what the ship was doing in the area or why Israel was not informed about its presence. The evidence suggests the ship was not spying on Israel.
Israel apologized for the tragedy immediately and offered on June 9 to compensate the victims.

Israel ultimately paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian reparations to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. The matter was officially closed between the two governments by an exchange of diplomatic notes on December 17, 1987.
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Lonewolf

Leesville, SC

#35 Sep 19, 2012
Pitifully,obama might get a second term,with all the voting fraud.If the Dems are so against voter I.D.,why did they require journalists to show a picture I.D. during their convention?ACORN didn't disband,they just changed their name and are receiving government funding.I wish one of those cowardly black panthers would show up at my polling place with an intent to intimidate me,I'll drop every last one of them like a bag of dirt.
Ramafuchs

Köln, Germany

#36 Sep 19, 2012
“President Obama has so far stoutly refused to give in to war-mongering, no mean feat in an election year in which he is neck-a-neck with Romney.

This week, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, demand Obama openly define the conditions under which the US would attack Iran. Netanyahu’s American supporters accuse Obama of “throwing Israel under a bus.” At times, it appears there are three candidates for office in Washington: Obama, Romney and Netanyahu

Netanyahu scolded and rebuked Obama for not sending American troops and spending American treasure to attack Iran because it is a potential rival or threat to Israel. Netanyahu is now openly backing Romney for president. In Yiddish, such behavior is called “chutzpah,” a mixture of brazen nerve and outrageous presumption.

Opinion in the Muslim world, America and Canada is being manipulated by those seeking war. A few more killings, a clash in the congested Gulf, a bombing in the west, and a wider Mideast war could erupt.
One in which PM Netanyahu thinks he will be the winner. Unfortunately, he may well be right.“
Eric S. Margolis 2012.
http://www.bigeye.com/foreignc.htm
voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#37 Sep 19, 2012
Ramafuchs wrote:
“President Obama has so far stoutly refused to give in to war-mongering, no mean feat in an election year in which he is neck-a-neck with Romney.
This week, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, demand Obama openly define the conditions under which the US would attack Iran. Netanyahu’s American supporters accuse Obama of “throwing Israel under a bus.” At times, it appears there are three candidates for office in Washington: Obama, Romney and Netanyahu
Netanyahu scolded and rebuked Obama for not sending American troops and spending American treasure to attack Iran because it is a potential rival or threat to Israel. Netanyahu is now openly backing Romney for president. In Yiddish, such behavior is called “chutzpah,” a mixture of brazen nerve and outrageous presumption.
Opinion in the Muslim world, America and Canada is being manipulated by those seeking war. A few more killings, a clash in the congested Gulf, a bombing in the west, and a wider Mideast war could erupt.
One in which PM Netanyahu thinks he will be the winner. Unfortunately, he may well be right.“
Eric S. Margolis 2012.
http://www.bigeye.com/foreignc.htm
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Ramafuchs, if you are in Germany .. you won't have much difficulty understanding the next mixture of words...

On the early thirties of last century, Adolf ... that is, Adolf Hitler ... went around every bier stube in Bavaria, telling to whoever could buy him a beer, that he is going to wipe out the fckkkn Jews ...

The echoes of his message ... today are coming from Terhan.
Ali Khamenei is also out there to wipe us out .. but I don't believe he drinks beer..

History taught us a thing or two.

On this chapter of the History book that we are writiing now, we are not going to take any risk.

Khamenei is going to hang from a rope, either because his people hanged him ... because we did it ... because somebody else did it .... or in the best of American traditions... any combination of the above..

...auf wiedersehen... greetings from Tel Aviv..

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Max

Montréal, Canada

#38 Sep 19, 2012
Voice of Peace writing huge walls of text, begging for USA s help, shittin' in his pants.
Ramafuchs

Köln, Germany

#39 Sep 19, 2012
Voice of peace
Respects and regards at first.
I live in Germany and I know the dirty short history of Germany under Hitler's barbaric rule.
As a Hindu Atheist I respect all religions and uphold their choice but never accept any religion.
Comrade Netanyahu ought to have bestowed his intellectual experience to be a model POLITICIAN for the globe.
Unfortunely he is always active to put the life of tax-paying, law-abiding peace-loving citizens in the frying pan or in burning fire.
Kindly excuse me and it is not my intention to allow any country to support any sort of conflict or war
voice of peace

Tel Aviv, Israel

#40 Sep 19, 2012
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""Unfortunely he is always active to put the life of tax-paying, law-abiding peace-loving citizens in the frying pan or in burning fire.""

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It's not clear what prompted you to write this sentence.

Any evidences in support of your accusations..??

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truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#41 Sep 19, 2012
voice of peace wrote:
<quoted text>
The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.
You are using the blood of the victims of the USS Liberty and Pollard to vilify Israel.
It doesn't work, pal.
If that is all you 'have on us'... our relation ain't too bad..
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Go away human parasite and historic war monger.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#42 Sep 19, 2012
voice of peace wrote:
<quoted text>.
The USS Liberty
by Mitchell Bard
The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.
On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship under the dual control of the Defense Intelligence Agency/Central Intelligence Agency and the Sixth Fleet, was assigned to monitor the fighting.
As a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty, the ship sailed to within 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship shelling its soldiers and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled after a message was received at the White House that the Israelis had admitted they had attacked the ship.
Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.
According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1 The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.
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Stop wasting your time posting these huge paragraps of BS lies and start using your other name on here.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#43 Sep 19, 2012
Ramafuchs wrote:
“President Obama has so far stoutly refused to give in to war-mongering, no mean feat in an election year in which he is neck-a-neck with Romney.
This week, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, demand Obama openly define the conditions under which the US would attack Iran. Netanyahu’s American supporters accuse Obama of “throwing Israel under a bus.” At times, it appears there are three candidates for office in Washington: Obama, Romney and Netanyahu
Netanyahu scolded and rebuked Obama for not sending American troops and spending American treasure to attack Iran because it is a potential rival or threat to Israel. Netanyahu is now openly backing Romney for president. In Yiddish, such behavior is called “chutzpah,” a mixture of brazen nerve and outrageous presumption.
Opinion in the Muslim world, America and Canada is being manipulated by those seeking war. A few more killings, a clash in the congested Gulf, a bombing in the west, and a wider Mideast war could erupt.
One in which PM Netanyahu thinks he will be the winner. Unfortunately, he may well be right.“
Eric S. Margolis 2012.
http://www.bigeye.com/foreignc.htm
You think the jewish puppet obama is not a war monger??? Are you blind???? He is directly responsible for the ruination of Libya and now the current terrorist support in Syria.Not to mention he personally aproves who is killed by drones on a regular basis.Also he signed the law making it legal to detain american citizens with no real charges,no trial for any amount of time the government wants.You call this a "free country"?????

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