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Russia Rebuffs Clinton on Syria, Iran Penalties

There are 14 comments on the ABC News story from Sep 8, 2012, titled Russia Rebuffs Clinton on Syria, Iran Penalties. In it, ABC News reports that:

Russia on Saturday soundly rejected U.S. calls for increased pressure on Syrian President Bashar Assad to relinquish power.

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#1 Sep 8, 2012
Much to the bitter disappointment of the international community, a report recently declassified by the CIA reveals that a war that started in the name of democracy in Iraq in 2003 and claimed the lives of more than one million innocent Iraqis and thousands of US-led troops was waged on the basis of an unfortunate series of blatant lies fabricated by CIA.

In a nutshell, the report says the CIA failed to carry out sufficient research into the possibility of WMDs in the hands of the Iraqi despot Saddam Hussein and that without due proof, they concluded that since Saddam was in the habit of lying about WMDs, they guessed he was in possession of weapons and mass destruction and that Iraq had to be reduced to dereliction and misery at the hands of the US military on the strength of a sheer conjecture.

Prominent points in the report are as follows:

1) When the [U.N. and International Atomic Energy Agency] inspections proved more intrusive than expected, the Iraqi leadership appears to have panicked and made a fateful decision to secretly destroy much of the remaining nondeclared items and eliminate the evidence.

2) Iraq’s firmly established “cheat and retreat” pattern made it difficult for U.N. inspectors and Western analysts to accept new Iraqi assertions at face value.

3) A liability of intelligence analysis is that once a party has been proven to be an effective deceiver, that knowledge becomes a heavy factor in the calculation of the analytical observer.

The new report brings to fore and highlights the necessity of an idea audaciously expressed by some in recent past: the trial of Georg Bush and Tony Blair as war criminals for lying about WMDs in Iraq.

The same idiotic foreign policy and lies in the media supporting the further destablization of the mideast under the auspices of spreading democracy have little to show for their efforts so far as Al Quieda now controls Libya and the Muslim Brotherhood Egypt.
Bobby Fischer

United States

#2 Sep 8, 2012
America's short-sighted policies continue: Now that Iraq has reverted to a Shiite-dominated government, Washington has seen the necessity to support a bloody Sunni takeover of Syria. in order to curtail the spread of Shia influence in the region.

Unfortunately, Bush Jr. was a mere checker player in a world game of chess, and a poor one at that.
moonshine

United States

#4 Sep 8, 2012
Robert McNamara said that 'everyone believes what they want to believe', when explaining his role in the Vietnam War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War
moonshine

United States

#5 Sep 8, 2012
Lessons in retrospect from McNamara rarely heeded:

Eleven lessons from the Vietnam War

The documentary's lessons-learned concept is McNamara's eleven-lesson list of In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam (1995).

We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.

We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.

We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.
Our misjudgments of friend and foe, alike, reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.

We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces, and doctrine. We failed, as well, to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.

We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.

After the action got under way, and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening, and why we were doing what we did.

We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.

We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.

We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.

Underlying many of these errors lay our failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military issues.
Obama sux

Buffalo, NY

#6 Sep 8, 2012
So much for Obama/Clinton RESET button with Russia.

Since: Aug 12

Poughquag, NY

#7 Sep 8, 2012
Bobby Fischer wrote:
America's short-sighted policies continue: Now that Iraq has reverted to a Shiite-dominated government, Washington has seen the necessity to support a bloody Sunni takeover of Syria. in order to curtail the spread of Shia influence in the region.
Unfortunately, Bush Jr. was a mere checker player in a world game of chess, and a poor one at that.
Very true.

Iran & Iraq are mostly Shiite.

Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Muslim ruling a Shiite Nation & Saddam Hussein was a Sunni that Donald Rumsfeld himself helped into power!

Now that Saddam Hussein's Sunni rule is over it is natural for the Shiite majority of Iran to connect towards the Shiite majoirty of Iran.

It was truly a retarded move if we thought Iran was the bigger threat than Iraq.

All of the wars in Muslim Nations have been a waste for the U.S.

It is all a waste of time.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#8 Sep 8, 2012
Good for Russia!!!!
Pug

Bridgeview, IL

#9 Sep 9, 2012
DENG wrote:
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS ONE BIG LIE FACTORY; THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.
AND THE BIG PROBLEM IS THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT START TO BELIEVE THEIR LIES ARE FACTS, AND IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH EFFORT TO KNOW WHAT THAT LEADS TO.
Socialism?
Marek

Gdansk, Poland

#10 Sep 10, 2012
global genocides and mass murderers from usa have plans: to udnermine and ruin Syria, Iran, Russia, China. It is clear fact and everybody sees it.
Brit expat

Narbonne, France

#11 Sep 10, 2012
Hilary Clinton! What an UGLY woman, in every sense!

It's no wonder Bill went astray!!! LOL
Brit expat

Narbonne, France

#12 Sep 10, 2012
Pug wrote:
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Socialism?
Thats true!!! Socialism already exists in the USA, but only for Wall St. and thier criminal friends the Banksters! Socialism the American way!!!!!!!!!!
Karol

Czeladz, Poland

#13 Sep 10, 2012
DENG wrote:
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS ONE BIG LIE FACTORY; THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.
AND THE BIG PROBLEM IS THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT START TO BELIEVE THEIR LIES ARE FACTS, AND IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH EFFORT TO KNOW WHAT THAT LEADS TO.
it is true, they are liars, global massmurderers, genocides, war criminals and robbers, the worst garbage of this world and insult for all human kind.
Pug

Bridgeview, IL

#14 Sep 11, 2012
Brit expat wrote:
Hilary Clinton! What an UGLY woman, in every sense!
It's no wonder Bill went astray!!! LOL
You need a California Handshake. They are plentiful in San Francisco
Pug

Bridgeview, IL

#15 Sep 11, 2012
Karol wrote:
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it is true, they are liars, global massmurderers, genocides, war criminals and robbers, the worst garbage of this world and insult for all human kind.
Hmmm, why do so many polish people keep coming to Chicago? There are more Polish neighborhoods and grocery stores than you can shake a stick at

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