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What GOP must do if health care law overturned

There are 25 comments on the CNN story from Apr 6, 2012, titled What GOP must do if health care law overturned. In it, CNN reports that:

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“If you believe it, stand by it”

Since: May 07

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#1 Apr 6, 2012
If you are on Medicare or will soon be on it you had better take a hard look at what Obamacare will do TO you...not FOR you. About half of doctors will no longer take Medicare patients. And many who do first ask if you have a Medicare Supplement policy. The $500 million that Obamacare takes away from Medicare is paid for by reduced benefits, reduced number of choices you can make, and government rationing of services. They can lie to you all they want but, this money must come from somewhere.
One thing that is absolutely wrong is how an American who has paid taxes, Medicare tax, etc. for many years is denied an extra medical test and an illegal alien who slithered across the border by dark of night or lied and cheated to stay here gets red carpet treatment in the emergency room on the taxpayer's dime.
For everything right about Obamacare, there are at least two wrong things. The fist wrong things were the backroom deals made to slam it thru congress....and, if it is so great, why do so many organizations need to be exempted from it?
Same_as_last_tim e

United States

#2 Apr 6, 2012
The GOP will do nothing if Obamacare is thrown out. In the 90's several Republicans had alternate plans offered while Clinton was pushing for his plans. As soon as the Presidents plan was defeated the GOP was mum on the subject. Heck that is more than the GOP is doing this time. "Repeal and Replace" is 99% lip service. It really is "Repeal and back to business as usual". Lose your job through no fault of your own, working but your employer does not provide healthcare insurance and you can't afford the cost in the private market...preexisting conditions...that's life...free markets baby...free markets...the solution to everything...in lala land
Evilmonger

Evansville, IN

#3 Apr 6, 2012
Same_as_last_time wrote:
The GOP will do nothing if Obamacare is thrown out. In the 90's several Republicans had alternate plans offered while Clinton was pushing for his plans. As soon as the Presidents plan was defeated the GOP was mum on the subject. Heck that is more than the GOP is doing this time. "Repeal and Replace" is 99% lip service. It really is "Repeal and back to business as usual". Lose your job through no fault of your own, working but your employer does not provide healthcare insurance and you can't afford the cost in the private market...preexisting conditions...that's life...free markets baby...free markets...the solution to everything...in lala land
I hope they do nothing EXCEPT get rid of the law that says hospitals have to treat people. It's time to let the people who expect everyone else to pay their way reap the consequences of their stupidity and laziness. The sooner the socialist entitlement crowd is allowed to die, the sooner decent people can start rebuilding this country.
Same_as_last_tim e

United States

#4 Apr 6, 2012
Evilmonger wrote:
<quoted text>I hope they do nothing EXCEPT get rid of the law that says hospitals have to treat people. It's time to let the people who expect everyone else to pay their way reap the consequences of their stupidity and laziness. The sooner the socialist entitlement crowd is allowed to die, the sooner decent people can start rebuilding this country.
Hark. I hear a voice from lala land!
Evilmonger

Evansville, IN

#5 Apr 6, 2012
Same_as_last_time wrote:
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Hark. I hear a voice from lala land!
Lala land is populated by morons who think they have the right to leech off the hard work of others. Since they make no contribution to society, there is no need for them to exist.

“If you believe it, stand by it”

Since: May 07

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#6 Apr 6, 2012
Same_as_last_time wrote:
The GOP will do nothing if Obamacare is thrown out. In the 90's several Republicans had alternate plans offered while Clinton was pushing for his plans. As soon as the Presidents plan was defeated the GOP was mum on the subject. Heck that is more than the GOP is doing this time. "Repeal and Replace" is 99% lip service. It really is "Repeal and back to business as usual". Lose your job through no fault of your own, working but your employer does not provide healthcare insurance and you can't afford the cost in the private market...preexisting conditions...that's life...free markets baby...free markets...the solution to everything...in lala land
What is your solution to Obamacare?
Same_as_last_tim e

United States

#7 Apr 9, 2012
seedtick wrote:
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What is your solution to Obamacare?
Solution to Obamacare? Well in the world according to me I'd have a single payer system (which isn't socialism unless the workers in the medical community actually work for the government ... they wouldn't need to). But a single payer system isn't going to happen any time soon. That being the case I'd like the court to find Obamacare consitutional and have it fully implemented. It isn't perfect but just repealing is worse. And that is what the GOP wants ... to just repeal it.

“If you believe it, stand by it”

Since: May 07

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#8 Apr 9, 2012
Same_as_last_time wrote:
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Solution to Obamacare? Well in the world according to me I'd have a single payer system (which isn't socialism unless the workers in the medical community actually work for the government ... they wouldn't need to). But a single payer system isn't going to happen any time soon. That being the case I'd like the court to find Obamacare consitutional and have it fully implemented. It isn't perfect but just repealing is worse. And that is what the GOP wants ... to just repeal it.
Well, I would have the individual mandate found unconstitutional and have the rest sent back to congress for open debate upon the floor of each congressional entity. That way they won't have to pass it to see what's in it and We The People will hear all the details, good and bad.
Chicago Guy

Evanston, IL

#9 Apr 9, 2012
Evilmonger wrote:
<quoted text>I hope they do nothing EXCEPT get rid of the law that says hospitals have to treat people. It's time to let the people who expect everyone else to pay their way reap the consequences of their stupidity and laziness. The sooner the socialist entitlement crowd is allowed to die, the sooner decent people can start rebuilding this country.
Yes.

By all means, we should legally force doctors and hospitals to abandon the Hippocratic Oath, which has been a cornerstone western civilization for 2500 years, simply because tea-baggers like you thinks it sends a bad example to poor-- I mean stupid and lazy-- people.

You chose your screen name well, dummy.
Evilmonger

Evansville, IN

#10 Apr 9, 2012
Chicago Guy wrote:
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Yes.
By all means, we should legally force doctors and hospitals to abandon the Hippocratic Oath, which has been a cornerstone western civilization for 2500 years, simply because tea-baggers like you thinks it sends a bad example to poor-- I mean stupid and lazy-- people.
You chose your screen name well, dummy.
The Hippocratic Oath has been rendered null and void by government edict for some time now. Also, why should people who worked very hard and spent lots of money for medical school be enslaved by a bunch of crack- and meth-heads with a 6th grade education? I prefer to reward brains and hard work instead of enabling people who consistently make every stupid decision possible. Stupid should be painful!
Same_as_last_tim e

United States

#11 Apr 10, 2012
seedtick wrote:
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Well, I would have the individual mandate found unconstitutional and have the rest sent back to congress for open debate upon the floor of each congressional entity. That way they won't have to pass it to see what's in it and We The People will hear all the details, good and bad.
You may get as you wish from the court. However, with all due respect, Obamacare was debated for over a year. I know that there is a rightwing talking point that says it was negotiated "behind closed doors". That is nonsense. I am not going to say there wasn't SOME wheeling and dealing going on (most noteable of that being the cornhusker kickback...which was not in the final bill). It's Washington for goodness sake. You will never get 535 politians together without some wheeling and dealing. That said, for the most part how the bill became law is known. So are you saying ... lets debate it again ... this I'll pay attention. Well I was paying attention the first time around. Its not a perfect bill but it is a step in the right direction.

“If you believe it, stand by it”

Since: May 07

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#12 Apr 10, 2012
First...the whole country was paying attention. Folks like me listened to Fox and CNN to get the best information available. And many Congressmen and Senators did not even get a chance to read the bill before it was passed. And it was passed by wheeling and dealing within the Democratic Party. And not only wheeling and dealing, but actual threats to some Democratic congress members. If it was such a good deal that would have not been needed. And Nancy Pelosi's famous declaration (you have to pass it before you can know what's in it) was indicitive of the mindset within the Democratic leadership in congress.
If this thing goes back before Congress there should be a clause added that forces everyone to be equally considered with respect to the law. That means NO EXEMPTIONS after it is passed. Let the unions and other political buddies be treated just like the rest of us.
No, this thing was not written for the good of the American people...it was designed to expand government control over the healthcare system.
serfs up

Kissimmee, FL

#13 Apr 10, 2012
Same_as_last_time wrote:
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You may get as you wish from the court. However, with all due respect, Obamacare was debated for over a year. I know that there is a rightwing talking point that says it was negotiated "behind closed doors". That is nonsense. I am not going to say there wasn't SOME wheeling and dealing going on (most noteable of that being the cornhusker kickback...which was not in the final bill). It's Washington for goodness sake. You will never get 535 politians together without some wheeling and dealing. That said, for the most part how the bill became law is known. So are you saying ... lets debate it again ... this I'll pay attention. Well I was paying attention the first time around. Its not a perfect bill but it is a step in the right direction.
Any thing as enormous as that issue should have been broadcast piece by piece to the people. So we all understand. If that was at a 3rd grade level, then so be it. There was a whole year to put it up on the television screen at an easy to digest pace. At every economic level an understanding could have been ingrained. A bipartisan plan is needed that has no special interests involved. But we are such a corrupted nation that pays off groups and sub groups and everything else that the cost of doing medical business let alone many other things is getting to expensive and frankly, more and more people are going to drop their insurance and go into poverty to get care at some point along with playing the welfare game.
Same_as_last_tim e

United States

#14 Apr 10, 2012
seedtick wrote:
First...the whole country was paying attention. Folks like me listened to Fox and CNN to get the best information available. And many Congressmen and Senators did not even get a chance to read the bill before it was passed. And it was passed by wheeling and dealing within the Democratic Party. And not only wheeling and dealing, but actual threats to some Democratic congress members. If it was such a good deal that would have not been needed. And Nancy Pelosi's famous declaration (you have to pass it before you can know what's in it) was indicitive of the mindset within the Democratic leadership in congress.
If this thing goes back before Congress there should be a clause added that forces everyone to be equally considered with respect to the law. That means NO EXEMPTIONS after it is passed. Let the unions and other political buddies be treated just like the rest of us.
No, this thing was not written for the good of the American people...it was designed to expand government control over the healthcare system.
If telling me you watch Fox and CNN is suppose to impress me that you are a well informed voter that wasn't asleep during the never ending negotiations of the bill I assure it tells me otherwise. As for congress ... any nitwit who voted FOR it or AGAINST it that didn't know what was in it the bill was asleep on the job. That is especially true with the individual mandate...good grief it was in Romneycare...so it was hardly a new concept.

I believe in Obamacare (again not it's perfect). I stand by it. Have a good life ... I'll be working to defend your Medicare ... even though you on the other hand don't seem to concerned about those who lose coverage because they are laid-off - have a preexisting condition - work hard at a job that does pay enough to get a plan on the private market etc etc.

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#15 Apr 10, 2012
it'll cost over 200 billion to repeal.
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so then the question is: are you willing to incur that cost to ensure that people that need coverage can't have it, or do you go for the long-haul and trust that the CBO is right in it's estimates that over the next 2 decades it'll reduce the deficit by over 1 trillion?

“If you believe it, stand by it”

Since: May 07

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#16 Apr 10, 2012
Same_as_last_time wrote:
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If telling me you watch Fox and CNN is suppose to impress me that you are a well informed voter that wasn't asleep during the never ending negotiations of the bill I assure it tells me otherwise. As for congress ... any nitwit who voted FOR it or AGAINST it that didn't know what was in it the bill was asleep on the job. That is especially true with the individual mandate...good grief it was in Romneycare...so it was hardly a new concept.
I believe in Obamacare (again not it's perfect). I stand by it. Have a good life ... I'll be working to defend your Medicare ... even though you on the other hand don't seem to concerned about those who lose coverage because they are laid-off - have a preexisting condition - work hard at a job that does pay enough to get a plan on the private market etc etc.
No, you did not know all about Obamacare...no one except the select few in the loop with Barack Husssein Obama did. You were just like the rest of us, you listened to news outlets and sorted through the crap slinging trying to understand what it would mean to you and yours.
And, there is a big difference between Romneycare and Obamacare. Romneycare was voted on and passed in one state and does not affect those in other states. Obamacare was designed and written by liberal progressives who want to turn our country into a socially progressive state in the European style...and then forced upon us thru political haggling and threats.
Remember this....our nation is made up of 50 independent states. Each is made up of folks with cultures and ideas suited to their own needs. They understand these needs and should not be forced to accept things they did not have a say in...especially something written by "experts" who know nothing about them.

Since: Sep 07

Golden

#17 Apr 10, 2012
ObamaCare is a mess. A complete mess. Even liberal experts in the field have claimed that it is not better than nothing. It does nothing to control costs. And please, the Republicans had no real say in the thing. Who could blame Ben Nelson from Nebraska for trying to exempt his state while still keeping his current Federal Medicaid funding? At least he was trying to protect their interests because the Medicaid mandates are going to kill states' budgets. At the cost of Medicare, btw, whose dollars are already spoken for. Costs are going to soar and so many have already opted out and will opt out even if the mandate passed muster, which I doubt it will, the thing would be grossly underfunded. Having 40% of the approved exemptions so far being big unions is a warning bell.

And FYI, Canada does NOT have a law that compels that any hospital treat you. They have a huge shortage of emergency care. I grew up on the border and our hospitals in Western NY were always busy with Canadians, who buy supplemental insurance to their Medicare, as it is called. They are having a lot of trouble paying for it these days, the UK, too. How much VAT can you charge for consumer goods to insure everyone? And ALL single-payer systems utilize tort reform to cut costs- you get a bad doc, too bad, sucker.

Here is a very good article by a very left-leaning Harvard expert, written before the reform passed. Too bad they didn't use people like her in the "debates" I don't agree with her on all her ideas about Medicare, but she nailed the shortcomings of ObamaCare.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-angell-m...

Your Ex

Madison, WI

#18 Apr 10, 2012
seedtick wrote:
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. Obamacare was designed and written by liberal progressives who want to turn our country into a socially progressive state in the European style...and then forced upon us thru political haggling and threats.
Romney: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.
Gingrich: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
Romney: Yeah, we got it from you and the Heritage--you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you [sic].
Gingrich: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
Romney: And you've never supported?
Gingrich: I agree with that, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.
Romney: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?
Gingrich: I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against HillaryCare.
Romney: You did support an individual mandate?
Gingrich: Yes sir.
Romney: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.
Gingrich: OK--little broader.
Romney: OK.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

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Since: May 07

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#19 Apr 11, 2012
Your Ex wrote:
<quoted text>
Romney: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.
Gingrich: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
Romney: Yeah, we got it from you and the Heritage--you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you [sic].
Gingrich: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
Romney: And you've never supported?
Gingrich: I agree with that, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.
Romney: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?
Gingrich: I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against HillaryCare.
Romney: You did support an individual mandate?
Gingrich: Yes sir.
Romney: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.
Gingrich: OK--little broader.
Romney: OK.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...
Then why isn't the healthcare debaucle called "Romneycare, Newtcare, or Hillarycare?" I'll tell you why...because they did not create it. Even Barack Husssein Obama wants it called "Obamacare" now. It does exactly what they want...let the Federal Government control healthcare in our country.
Your Ex

Madison, WI

#20 Apr 11, 2012
seedtick wrote:
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Then why isn't the healthcare debaucle called "Romneycare, Newtcare, or Hillarycare?" I'll tell you why...because they did not create it. Even Barack Husssein Obama wants it called "Obamacare" now. It does exactly what they want...let the Federal Government control healthcare in our country.
I just posted a transcript
Where they agree
It was the Frightwing/Heritage Foundation
answer to "Hillarycare"
Your beef is with them
Not me.

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