Gunman Motive?: 'He ThoughtShe Just W...

Gunman Motive?: 'He ThoughtShe Just Wanted to Send Him Away'

There are 25 comments on the Fox News story from Dec 18, 2012, titled Gunman Motive?: 'He ThoughtShe Just Wanted to Send Him Away'. In it, Fox News reports that:

The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer's family and several of the victims' families.

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La Puente, CA

#1 Dec 18, 2012
http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

Alex Jones brought up a good point on his December 17, 2012 show that most people won't talk about. Listen to the first hour of the podcasted show.

Why are hard leftist and national spotlighted politicians like Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schummer, and Michael Bloomberg -all part of the Israeli lobby in America- trying to disarm America.

They are by far the loudest voices going after the second ammendmant right now in America but openly lobby for US taxpayers to arm Israelis so they can defend themselves. And yes, Israel has a right to defend itself but so do Americans.

http://www.infowars.com/feinstein-targets-gun...

http://planet.infowars.com/guns/eric-holder-w...

The Connetecuit shootings were a horrific tragedy but going after the second ammendmant is not the answer.

These mass shootings always happen where there are strict gun control laws and the public is disarmed -remember criminals will always find access to guns whether they are outlawed or not and innocent civilians are usually the victims of mass shootings.

The answer to these mass shootings is to train and arm responsable US civilians including trusted school faculty on how to defend students from any crazies that show up until cops arrive. We need less guns in the hands of criminals and more guns in the hands of innocent law abiding citizens who are trained how to responsibly own and use firearms.

Isnt't it wierd how after the election all of a sudden all these shootings take place and now gun control is at the top of the headlines. You have the NFL (Bob Costas), news media figures, and national politicians now engaging in a full court press for gun control.

Look how the corporate media is promoting that guns be taken away so Americans citizens can't defend themselves from all forms of criminality.

The media is being absolutely transparent in its attempt to brainwash Americans into believeing that we don't have the right to defend ourselves with the second ammendmant. This should alarm all American citizens given the fact our government has been seized by Communist revolutionaries backed with offshore corporate fascist money.

These bought out political revolutionaries within our illegitimiate federal government are now aggitating the rest of the world and garnering hatred against America from countries like Russia, China, South America, and the Middle East.

The type of facism that is now being pushed in America was used in Stalanist Russia, Cuba, Nazi Germany, Fascist Argentina, Corrupt Mexico, to name a few examples. It's the same gameplan now being used on America.

And every time a country was destroyed and remade into a failed state/dictatorship it started by disarming the general public so people could get bullied by the tyrants into further authoritarianism with no way to fight back.

Now is not the time to disarm America. Pull your money out of the major banks so they can't create derivatives with it and put it in local credit unions or small banks. Call out/ vote out politicians that want to disarm America and boycott the corporate media by turning to non corporate news.

If these politicians want gun control why don't they get rid of their personal entourage of taxpayer paid for armed security/bodygaurds. They want gun control for citizens, not themselves.

Americans can put a stop to this tyrany as most people are now waking up from their trances because the tyranny is so in your face.

The New World Order lackeys must be nuts to think this gameplan will work in America for very long being this blatant. Americans of all political persuasion will never disarm -we are not stupid. Liberal or conserative we just love our freedom too damn much.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
sparticuss

Lenexa, KS

#2 Dec 18, 2012
if they ever do outlaw guns, u can bet i will be an outlaw
America Is Not A Rollover

La Puente, CA

#3 Dec 18, 2012
Absolutely...
well

Stoney Creek, Canada

#4 Dec 18, 2012
Gringos with guns are worse than Taliban.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#5 Dec 18, 2012
This whole story is tragic on so many levels...

Perhaps...we as a society need to reflect...not on whether we have guns or don't...so much as what are we doing to care of one another?

Too many times we don't get involved because we figure it isn't our problem...or we have problems of our own...

We all need to stop being self-centered and start being God/Jesus/Holy Spirit-centered and others centered first...
Curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#6 Dec 18, 2012
This sicko was at the school the day before creating a disturbance. he came back the next day and killed three of the four adults he had the altercation with the day before. and the children in the class his mother used to teach. Why wasnt the police called the day before. the administration could & should have filed charges. maby they didnt involve the law enforcement because his mother was a former teacher & friend?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#7 Dec 18, 2012
Curmudgeon wrote:
This sicko was at the school the day before creating a disturbance. he came back the next day and killed three of the four adults he had the altercation with the day before. and the children in the class his mother used to teach. Why wasnt the police called the day before. the administration could & should have filed charges. maby they didnt involve the law enforcement because his mother was a former teacher & friend?
Sounds to me that no one would have expected anything like this...

Again...we react this way...but where are the people to help the troubled and disturbed?

I mean seriously...if more people would just help each other out...rather piss and moan and complain...

It's true...the only time you get to see any kind of real out pouring of help is during tragedies like this...it's too late by then...

Everyday...go out...find someone to help...even just smile and say hi...
tellusmore

Menard, TX

#8 Dec 18, 2012
sparticuss wrote:
if they ever do outlaw guns, u can bet i will be an outlaw
Are you suggesting treason or just everyday crime?
Curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#9 Dec 18, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Sounds to me that no one would have expected anything like this...
Again...we react this way...but where are the people to help the troubled and disturbed?
I mean seriously...if more people would just help each other out...rather piss and moan and complain...
It's true...the only time you get to see any kind of real out pouring of help is during tragedies like this...it's too late by then...
Everyday...go out...find someone to help...even just smile and say hi...
17.10 (12.10) NBC are reporting that there was allegedly an altercation between Lanza and staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before the shooting.

Officials say Lanza was involved in an argument at the school which involved himself and four other staff members. Of the four, three were murdered in the shooting spree while the fourth was not at school yesterday and is now being interviewed by federal and state investigators.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#10 Dec 18, 2012
If mom wanted to fill the house with guns and then take a stand, against the madman, she was the fool.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#11 Dec 18, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds to me that no one would have expected anything like this...
Again...we react this way...but where are the people to help the troubled and disturbed?
I mean seriously...if more people would just help each other out...rather piss and moan and complain...
It's true...the only time you get to see any kind of real out pouring of help is during tragedies like this...it's too late by then...
Everyday...go out...find someone to help...even just smile and say hi...
Hi

<smile>

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#12 Dec 18, 2012
tellusmore wrote:
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Are you suggesting treason or just everyday crime?
Sticking to the principles that this country was founded upon can NEVER be treason in THIS country.
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#13 Dec 19, 2012
Curmudgeon wrote:
This sicko was at the school the day before creating a disturbance. he came back the next day and killed three of the four adults he had the altercation with the day before. and the children in the class his mother used to teach. Why wasnt the police called the day before. the administration could & should have filed charges. maby they didnt involve the law enforcement because his mother was a former teacher & friend?
If the argument was that loud or active why weren't the police called. Or they wrote it off as child killer Adam. The thing that puzzles me is that aspergers is as much likely to make them a victim as a predator. They say aspergers makes it easy to get frustrated but not angry. What did child killer Adam Lanza really want at that school.

Another thing this still conflicts earlier reports correcting the first report that the mother worked at the school
Churmudgeon

Pineville, AR

#14 Dec 19, 2012
NOTthechildren wrote:
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If the argument was that loud or active why weren't the police called. Or they wrote it off as child killer Adam. The thing that puzzles me is that aspergers is as much likely to make them a victim as a predator. They say aspergers makes it easy to get frustrated but not angry. What did child killer Adam Lanza really want at that school.
Another thing this still conflicts earlier reports correcting the first report that the mother worked at the school
It seems His mother wasnt a teacher apparently she vollenteered at the school and was active in the class of children where murdered. Im of the opinion had the school officials called the police the day before and filed charges. the mother them cold have let the prosecueter know about his mental problems. That would have assured that he be sent for mental evaluation. He may not have aspergers he could have been misdiagnosised. I know a child who was diagnosed as ADD and the doctor wanted to prescribe Ridilan. His parents didnt want to give drugs to their child. So they got another opinion turns out he was Dexlexic.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#15 Dec 19, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> It seems His mother wasnt a teacher apparently she vollenteered at the school and was active in the class of children where murdered. Im of the opinion had the school officials called the police the day before and filed charges. the mother them cold have let the prosecueter know about his mental problems. That would have assured that he be sent for mental evaluation. He may not have aspergers he could have been misdiagnosised. I know a child who was diagnosed as ADD and the doctor wanted to prescribe Ridilan. His parents didnt want to give drugs to their child. So they got another opinion turns out he was Dexlexic.
Now, let's think about your statement below for a moment.

"Im of the opinion had the school officials called the police the day before and filed charges, the mother them cold have let the prosecueter know about his mental problems."

I agree with you. I would like to add that since the above is true, what makes anyone think that the way they are going about "protecting" our children is working. It is NOT working and our children are dying.
I also question if these so called "educators" are capable of critical thinking in cases like this, and if they have the mental tools to deal with it properly - like call the authorities when something like that happens. Simple to do, but why did they not recognize the "trigger symptoms"?

This is a human behavioral problem and not a gun problem. There MUST be some "backup" for when these "educators" drop the ball, like they did in this case, and it escalates to a human behavioral problem and a gun. When that happens there MUST be ARMED resistance to these "nuts with guns" IN the school building , and not wait for the cops to show up L A T E R when the nut with a gun has already committed suicide.

I also doubt if the "authorities" will be smart enough to address this without touching our inalienable right to self defense and the tools with which to defend onesself. Thier response will be to further endanger those children and teachers by making even stricter, but USELESS gun control laws.
These killers do not abide by the current laws concerning guns. They are however, smart enough to realize that since schools are "gun free zones", those kids are helpless and the teachers are also helpless to defend themselves and those children against these killers with like force.

The answer is not to further disarm the law abiding citizenry, it is to arm some of them (adults in our schools) with proper gun handling instruction, and let them defend themselves and those kids. Gun free school zones are the stupidest thing to come down the pike on this issue since it became a problem in this country.

Fire is best fought with fire, and likewise gunfire is best fought with gunfire.
And that, is the simple reality of it.
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#16 Dec 19, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> It seems His mother wasnt a teacher apparently she vollenteered at the school and was active in the class of children where murdered. Im of the opinion had the school officials called the police the day before and filed charges. the mother them cold have let the prosecueter know about his mental problems. That would have assured that he be sent for mental evaluation. He may not have aspergers he could have been misdiagnosised. I know a child who was diagnosed as ADD and the doctor wanted to prescribe Ridilan. His parents didnt want to give drugs to their child. So they got another opinion turns out he was Dexlexic.
I think the mother was taking alot of free incomplete advice that's why not a full fledged diagnosis at this point.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#17 Dec 19, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Hi
<smile>
Hi

:)
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#18 Dec 19, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Now, let's think about your statement below for a moment.
"Im of the opinion had the school officials called the police the day before and filed charges, the mother them cold have let the prosecueter know about his mental problems."
I agree with you. I would like to add that since the above is true, what makes anyone think that the way they are going about "protecting" our children is working. It is NOT working and our children are dying.
I also question if these so called "educators" are capable of critical thinking in cases like this, and if they have the mental tools to deal with it properly - like call the authorities when something like that happens. Simple to do, but why did they not recognize the "trigger symptoms"?
This is a human behavioral problem and not a gun problem. There MUST be some "backup" for when these "educators" drop the ball, like they did in this case, and it escalates to a human behavioral problem and a gun. When that happens there MUST be ARMED resistance to these "nuts with guns" IN the school building , and not wait for the cops to show up L A T E R when the nut with a gun has already committed suicide.
I also doubt if the "authorities" will be smart enough to address this without touching our inalienable right to self defense and the tools with which to defend onesself. Thier response will be to further endanger those children and teachers by making even stricter, but USELESS gun control laws.
These killers do not abide by the current laws concerning guns. They are however, smart enough to realize that since schools are "gun free zones", those kids are helpless and the teachers are also helpless to defend themselves and those children against these killers with like force.
The answer is not to further disarm the law abiding citizenry, it is to arm some of them (adults in our schools) with proper gun handling instruction, and let them defend themselves and those kids. Gun free school zones are the stupidest thing to come down the pike on this issue since it became a problem in this country.
Fire is best fought with fire, and likewise gunfire is best fought with gunfire.
And that, is the simple reality of it.
Even if they issued tasers and mace it's something to slow an assailant down. Put restrictions on their use including paperwork and review to ensure they don't use them for discipline. Armed and trained staff would be ideal but a staff that could do more that's being done now is better than nothing.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#19 Dec 19, 2012
NOTthechildren wrote:
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Even if they issued tasers and mace it's something to slow an assailant down. Put restrictions on their use including paperwork and review to ensure they don't use them for discipline. Armed and trained staff would be ideal but a staff that could do more that's being done now is better than nothing.
Tazers and mace have their place and uses, but defending against a gun attack, they are useless.
You are right though, we need to do more to protect them and it will involve firearms. It must.
What do the police use? Firearms, that's what. The problem is they get there too late. Those weapons need to be ON PROPERTY and in the hands of trained adults who are at the school all day.
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#20 Dec 19, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Tazers and mace have their place and uses, but defending against a gun attack, they are useless.
You are right though, we need to do more to protect them and it will involve firearms. It must.
What do the police use? Firearms, that's what. The problem is they get there too late. Those weapons need to be ON PROPERTY and in the hands of trained adults who are at the school all day.
I only say tasers and mace because of cost and is something that could be deployed in schools with in days. You could even train teachers and staff on the use of mace. Again for emergency use only with paper work.

Although no match for gun it is basically close quarter combat so if you get the drop on the gunman or even divert him for someone else to use their taser or mace it might help. Actually in this scnerios I like mace better because the fumes could affect them without a direct hit.

Armed gaurd is optimum.

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