New lawsuits target Indiana's gay mar...

New lawsuits target Indiana's gay marriage ban

There are 16 comments on the USA Today story from Mar 14, 2014, titled New lawsuits target Indiana's gay marriage ban. In it, USA Today reports that:

The second federal lawsuit this month challenging Indiana's same-sex marriage ban has been filed, and a third is planned Friday.

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“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#1 Mar 14, 2014
I sure wish all these cases from the various states could be lumped together, submitted to the SCOTUS, and settled, once and for all. Such a waste of time, money, and resources for an outcome we already know.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2 Mar 14, 2014
RalphB wrote:
I sure wish all these cases from the various states could be lumped together, submitted to the SCOTUS, and settled, once and for all. Such a waste of time, money, and resources for an outcome we already know.
I sort of like the idea of clogging the entire federal system of justice with such a tangled-up jumble of identical lawsuits that Bryan Brown and Maggie can't figure out how to spend their $200,000 annual net worth ;o)

Since: Jul 09

Indy/Philly/Toronto

#3 Mar 14, 2014
It's a shame that US citizens have to sue their local governments to receive the same rights as their fellow taxpayers.
But if that's progress, then so be it.

“Equality First”

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#4 Mar 14, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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I sort of like the idea of clogging the entire federal system of justice with such a tangled-up jumble of identical lawsuits that Bryan Brown and Maggie can't figure out how to spend their $200,000 annual net worth ;o)
I did to, at first, but I'm getting older, and want it over with.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Mar 14, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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I did to, at first, but I'm getting older, and want it over with.
Hang in there. It'll be over in 2 years max.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Mar 14, 2014
This is EXACTLY what I've been advocating.

Clog the federal courts with lawsuits until it's over.

Not a single federal judge has ruled against us since the SCOTUS decision on DOMA. The only federal judge to rule against us was pre-Windsor in Nevada; and the 9th circuit is in the process of overturning that one.

There are lawsuits pending in state or federal court in 27 of the 33 states which still have marriage bans. 7 cases have already been decided, 6 in our favor.

It's only a matter of time now.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#7 Mar 14, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Hang in there. It'll be over in 2 years max.
Who'da thunk huh?

“Equality First”

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#8 Mar 14, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Hang in there. It'll be over in 2 years max.
I'm hanging in. But it feels like I'm hanging by my thumbs.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#9 Mar 14, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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Who'da thunk huh?
I'm the first to admit I was skeptical even after the DOMA decision. I really thought we'd be looking at 4-5 years before another case got back to the SCOTUS, but this has just snowballed into an avalanche.

Of course the SCOTUS could put the brakes on hard if they want, and any number of unexpected things could happen (like a vacancy on the court?), but the odds definitely favor a relatively quick resolution.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

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#11 Mar 14, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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I'm hanging in. But it feels like I'm hanging by my thumbs.
That's good enough, my friend. You'll make it! Think of everything we've been through in the last 45 years ... Stonewall, "That Certain Summer", disco, Anita Bryant, Harvey Milk, HIV, The Quilt, Ronald Reagan, DOMA, Don't Ask / Don't Tell, George W. Bush, same sex marriage in Massachusetts, "Brokeback Mountain", Prop 8, the Windsor decision ...

We've all got to stick around for the big victory that's just around the corner! Besides, you don't want to miss the spectacle of Pat Robertson's head exploding, right? <grin> Keep the faith, we're almost there!
BobInTampa

Tampa, FL

#12 Mar 14, 2014
Personally, i believe that the SCOTUS ruling (and the fact that it didn't address the core issue of same sex marriage in general) was written intentionally to force a state-by-state overturning of anti-gay-marriage laws. They KNEW if they ruled that same sex couples have the right to marry - and made it the LAW OF THE LAND - that they would be actually MAKING LAW not interpreting it.

Also, they were mindful about the impact of the core ruling and that it WOULD and COULD BE USED to fight state anti-gay-marriage laws.

This was they way of getting the desired result without having to actually write it into their ruling.

I think it's also important to note the speed at which state courts are processing these cases and also how quickly they are ruling. They are also mindful of the law and now have a SCOTUS ruling as their precedent.

FInally, i think you'll also see that the appeals courts will also quickly rule on the appeals AND that the SCOTUS will NOT take any of these cases - thus, letting the lower court rulings stand (overturning anti-gay-marriage laws) and thus, never having to ACTUALLY rule on gay marriage.

Yes, it's time consuming and expensive to the states who want to fight to uphold their discriminatory laws - but the writing's on the wall. State by state these laws will fall.

I agree with one of the other posts on here that it will all be wrapped up in 2 years or less!

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#13 Mar 14, 2014
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
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That's good enough, my friend. You'll make it! Think of everything we've been through in the last 45 years ... Stonewall, "That Certain Summer", disco, Anita Bryant, Harvey Milk, HIV, The Quilt, Ronald Reagan, DOMA, Don't Ask / Don't Tell, George W. Bush, same sex marriage in Massachusetts, "Brokeback Mountain", Prop 8, the Windsor decision ...
We've all got to stick around for the big victory that's just around the corner! Besides, you don't want to miss the spectacle of Pat Robertson's head exploding, right? <grin> Keep the faith, we're almost there!
Lordy,that part about Pat Robertson's head exploding just makes we swoon with anticipation. Yep, that alone would make my 55 year wait, since coming out to my family and friends, worth all the time, toil, and treasure we have put into it. I just need to b reminded every so often that our victory is just another sunrise or two away. Thanks.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#14 Mar 14, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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Lordy,that part about Pat Robertson's head exploding just makes we swoon with anticipation. Yep, that alone would make my 55 year wait, since coming out to my family and friends, worth all the time, toil, and treasure we have put into it. I just need to b reminded every so often that our victory is just another sunrise or two away. Thanks.
There are tens of thousands of us that thought "never in my lifetime".

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#15 Mar 14, 2014
"There is no justification for Indiana to treat these families as second-class citizens. The families in this case want the responsibility, security and dignity that only marriage provides, and their children deserve the same protections that other Indiana families enjoy."
- Sean Lemieux ACLU attorney

"The responsibility, security and dignity that only marriage provides."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#16 Mar 14, 2014
And NOW Tennessee

By Adam Polaski
Mar 14, 2014 at 04:30 pm

On March 14, 2014, U.S. District Court Judge Aleta Trauger ruled that state officials must respect the marriages of three same-sex couples whose lawsuit challenges the state’s marriage ban. These couples' marriages will be respected as their case proceeds, since the judge explained that plaintiffs are likely to prevail in their case.

The judge wrote, "At this point, all signs indicate that, in the eyes of the United States Constitution, the plaintiffs’ marriages will be placed on an equal footing with those of heterosexual couples and that proscriptions against same-sex marriage will soon become a footnote in the annals of American history."

The ruling is in Tanco v. Haslam, a case filed by the National Center for Lesbian Rights in October 2013.

Freedom to Marry founder and president Evan Wolfson celebrated the ruling today. He said:

This is the eighth judge in recent months to rule on a challenge to marriage discrimination, with now eight out of eight ruling that under our Constitution, across our entire country, marriage discrimination should and must end. The judge's powerful words and the fact that today's ruling comes out of Tennessee make clear that all of America is ready for the freedom to marry, and it is time for appellate judges and the Supreme Court to do right by all families and bedrock principles of liberty and equality under the law.

“Equality First”

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#17 Mar 15, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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There are tens of thousands of us that thought "never in my lifetime".
Even with all the problems, it sure is a great time to be alive. Especially considering the alternative.

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