Ad spotlights Republican support for gay marriage

Feb 20, 2013 Full story: WAPT-TV Jackson 16

Prominent Republicans who support marriage rights for same-sex couples are the focus of a new million-dollar ad campaign that's set to roll out Wednesday.

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“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1 Feb 20, 2013
The headline should say Diverse Support, not Republican Support.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2 Feb 20, 2013
On a related note, a Republican state senator in Minnesota is likey to co-sponsor their marriage equality bill. That makes it much more likely to pass this year.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#3 Feb 20, 2013
I just did a little examination of the new Minnesota legislature. I didn't realize how badly the R's had been pounded since that had their 2011-2012 tea party congress.

House count is now 73 D and 61 R, or 55% D. Senate count is 39 D and 28 R, or 58% D.

The counts are virtual mirrors of the last Minnesota legislature.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#4 Feb 20, 2013
Just remember that it's Minnesota. Those are mostly CONSERVATIVE Dems.

" ... Beautiful Lake Woebegone, where even the Catholics are Lutheran ... "

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#5 Feb 20, 2013
. . . And all the men are good-looking.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#6 Feb 20, 2013
I respect the prominent Republicans that are mentioned in the report, with the exception of Dick Cheney. I am happy we are on the same page on Marriage Equality, but other than that, I wouldn't trust the guy in any situation. To me he is a snake in the grass.
Sgt Common Sense

Fairfield, CT

#7 Feb 20, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
... And all the men are good-looking.
.....all the women are strong........

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Feb 20, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
I just did a little examination of the new Minnesota legislature. I didn't realize how badly the R's had been pounded since that had their 2011-2012 tea party congress.
House count is now 73 D and 61 R, or 55% D. Senate count is 39 D and 28 R, or 58% D.
The counts are virtual mirrors of the last Minnesota legislature.
Yep, the legislature basically flipped in the last election due to the over reach of the GOPasaurs on social issues.

That is the danger of pushing a marriage vote so soon, but I think the risk is worth it. At some point we need to stop asking for our rights and start demanding them.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#9 Feb 20, 2013
And all the children are above average.
Sgt Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>.....all the women are strong........

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#11 Feb 21, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Yep, the legislature basically flipped in the last election due to the over reach of the GOPasaurs on social issues.
That is the danger of pushing a marriage vote so soon, but I think the risk is worth it. At some point we need to stop asking for our rights and start demanding them.
While that might play well in one kind of location, in this land of the 24hr news cycle and a population of twitterheads that selects it's emotional reactions over facts, the spillover can result in a net loss.

Kennedy won because his team knew how to use the new tech of the day, TV, better than the opposition.

Such ads are ok, but only as part of a comprehensive package that includes tailored messages to the various venues. For example, we might gain more by active and aggressive, on-the-ground, union support in one area (say, Wisconsin), while "demanding our rights" might play better in Northern California.

You obviously have the commitment of a fighting general, but let's not try to fight the last war.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#12 Feb 21, 2013
snyper wrote:
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While that might play well in one kind of location, in this land of the 24hr news cycle and a population of twitterheads that selects it's emotional reactions over facts, the spillover can result in a net loss.
Kennedy won because his team knew how to use the new tech of the day, TV, better than the opposition.
Such ads are ok, but only as part of a comprehensive package that includes tailored messages to the various venues. For example, we might gain more by active and aggressive, on-the-ground, union support in one area (say, Wisconsin), while "demanding our rights" might play better in Northern California.
You obviously have the commitment of a fighting general, but let's not try to fight the last war.
Obviously it will take different strategies in different states. My point is we need to go on the offensive with multiple strategies everywhere we can. Even introducing marriage equality bills in states like Texas & Virginia serves a purpose of starting the conversation instead of sitting quietly waiting for the courts to save us.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13 Feb 21, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Obviously it will take different strategies in different states. My point is we need to go on the offensive with multiple strategies everywhere we can. Even introducing marriage equality bills in states like Texas & Virginia serves a purpose of starting the conversation instead of sitting quietly waiting for the courts to save us.
Have you assembled your network for your State, yet?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Feb 21, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Have you assembled your network for your State, yet?
I'm working with the Grand Rapids group to get a referendum on the ballot next year to overturn our ban. It's been a decade since the ban was passed with 59% of the vote. Our extremely unpopular Republican Governor and GOP controlled legislature will all be on the ballot in 2014, so turnout especially among union Dems will be very high.

Should we fail to get the 300,000+ signatures needed to qualify for the ballot in 2014, then we'll try again in 2016.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#15 Feb 21, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I'm working with the Grand Rapids group to get a referendum on the ballot next year to overturn our ban. It's been a decade since the ban was passed with 59% of the vote. Our extremely unpopular Republican Governor and GOP controlled legislature will all be on the ballot in 2014, so turnout especially among union Dems will be very high.
Should we fail to get the 300,000+ signatures needed to qualify for the ballot in 2014, then we'll try again in 2016.
It sounds like a good plan. The unions and other liberal groups are going to be beating the bushes for voters next year. One would expect the conservatives to be a bit discouraged, but who knows? Their willingness to follow crackpots off into the wilderness amazes.

But you're already a bit late for 2014. You really need to lay the grass-roots foundation BEFORE you submit your petitions. You need to out-organize the opposition, and they won't be caught as flat-footed this time.

Building a movement is a long, slow process. Mainers spent two years they decided to submit a petition. And Maine already had a stronger organization than Michigan due to four previous ballot fights over employment and public accommodations.

Don't underestimate the preparations that you need BEFORE engaging the battle. That's something you should understand well.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Feb 21, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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It sounds like a good plan. The unions and other liberal groups are going to be beating the bushes for voters next year. One would expect the conservatives to be a bit discouraged, but who knows? Their willingness to follow crackpots off into the wilderness amazes.
But you're already a bit late for 2014. You really need to lay the grass-roots foundation BEFORE you submit your petitions. You need to out-organize the opposition, and they won't be caught as flat-footed this time.
Building a movement is a long, slow process. Mainers spent two years they decided to submit a petition. And Maine already had a stronger organization than Michigan due to four previous ballot fights over employment and public accommodations.
Don't underestimate the preparations that you need BEFORE engaging the battle. That's something you should understand well.
My preference would have been for a 2016 vote to allow time for that very preparation, but at this point the petitions are going out, so the die is cast. How quickly we get the 300,000+ signatures required will determine whether we move forward on a 2014 vote or wait until 2016.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#17 Feb 21, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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My preference would have been for a 2016 vote to allow time for that very preparation, but at this point the petitions are going out, so the die is cast. How quickly we get the 300,000+ signatures required will determine whether we move forward on a 2014 vote or wait until 2016.
Make sure you have some clergy lined up on your side. The strength of the Unitarians, Congregationalists, and Episcopal Church was helpful in New England. Of course, the Episcopal Church may not be as liberal in Michigan, and the other two are probably all-but invisible. But it definitely helps to have a strong contingent of clergy countering the image that all religious folk oppose ssm.

On the other hand, you have unions who are very adept at organization, and they have been sympathetic. You need to get their leadership committed to their cause. My own impression is that the average union man is not nearly as liberal as their leadership.

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