Egypt prosecutors refer to trial a Muslim preacher who tore the Bible over anti-Islam film

Full story: The Washington Post

Egyptian prosecutors say they have referred to trial a Muslim self-styled preacher who tore up an English copy of the Bible during a protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo against a anti-Islam film produced in the U.S. A prosecution official said Tuesday that Ahmed Mohammed Abdullah and his son have publicly shown contempt to religion.

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harvey

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I'd personally oppose any legal punishment for what to an American is a matter of free speech, but at least the Egyptians are being consistent, assuming that they'd also try anyone who tore up a Qur'an.
MENAgirl

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Well, the issue that so many don't realize is that this is not America. It is another country with some different morals and different ways of measuring them. In Islam, and in the law of Egypt, disrespecting a "heavenly" religion is wrong and against the law. In that order.

In other western countries,'freedom of speech' is not an absolute right, either, so you don't get to 'speak' the same way in Europe as you may get to in America-whether that is wearing a hijab or a cross or or kippah or literally, saying anything you wish about anyone you wish. America has taken that law as far as it can go (maybe farther than it should), but to think it is some universal human right that trumps all others would be a mistake.
MENAgirl

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Incidentally, I am glad they charged him, it is a case of not being hypocritical, and I hope it reminds Egyptians as well as the rest of the world that this is not just about respecting Islam. It is about respecting the belief of others, also.

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Sep 26, 2012
 
MENAgirl wrote:
Well, the issue that so many don't realize is that this is not America. It is another country with some different morals and different ways of measuring them. In Islam, and in the law of Egypt, disrespecting a "heavenly" religion is wrong and against the law ...
Yet Egyptians continually break that law by disrespecting the Copts, and it remains to be seen what if anything will happen to this cleric, esp. if he belongs to the Muslim Brotherhoood, the party that is now running that nation.

And many Americans have long realized that Egypt isn't America; its "morals" are measured by shar'ia, a legal system that requires two women to equal the testimony of one muslim man.
MENAgirl

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Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Yet Egyptians continually break that law by disrespecting the Copts, and it remains to be seen what if anything will happen to this cleric, esp. if he belongs to the Muslim Brotherhoood, the party that is now running that nation.
And many Americans have long realized that Egypt isn't America; its "morals" are measured by shar'ia, a legal system that requires two women to equal the testimony of one muslim man.
Indidvidual problems happen between people in every country, and Egypt is no different. There is no "sharia" in force here that keeps Coptics from getting their rights, just like the law in the US doesn't try to keep Muslims from building mosques, individuals within the community or government try to.

If you knew anything about Egypt, you would know that most of the problems between copts and muslims are normal neighbor/community issues. They aren't generally targeted. Generally, the communities get along fine. Whenever something happens where the two religions are brought into it, suddenly it is a sectarian thing that is really usually based as a neighbor issue. When it gets exacerbated, some people's prejudices are expressed.

As far as sharia and women's testimony is concerned, in actual Quran, there is one instance where a womans testimony is not considered as valid, but still has weight(in financial transactions). In all other issues, there is nothing in Quran that indicates their testimony is any less valuable. That some interpret it that way is wrong, but that is the problem with any kind of constitution, including the US. It is written one way and interpreted in as many ways as there are people reading it and reading INTO it in ways that serve their purposes and agendas.

Notice how no matter what happens here, you find a way to criticize? You are the person who doesn't recognize the MB, or Morsi or Al Azhar all calling for a non violent reaction to the stupid movie.
Then, in a few weeks, you will all wonder why no one ever stands up for PEACEFUL solutions in the Muslim world. Some random muslim will suddenly be declared a scholar, say something stupid, and he will be headline news. The president of the country or the leading religious body can say something and you all ignore it. Its a piss poor way to look at the world, Joe and people who do that should be ashamed. I will say it on both sides, because otherwise reasonable Muslims paid way too much attention to that stupid movie that we all should have ignored. There HAS been balanced accounts and movies made in the west, but they were all forgotten when this idiot movie came out and suddenly, it was all about America disrespecting Islam. Well, sure, some do, but most Americans don't give a darn. Or, they have positive inclinations. But the American govt. and people were not lining up in theaters to see the stupid movie by any means. Nobody cared about it, just like nobody cares about most of the random imams who supposedly make "fatwas" (Many of which are later found to be hoaxes anyway). So, both sides play that game and it is a waste of human energy, life, and resources.

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MENAgirl wrote:
<quoted text>Indidvidual problems happen between people in every country, and Egypt is no different. There is no "sharia" in force here that keeps Coptics from getting their rights, just like the law in the US doesn't try to keep Muslims from building mosques ...
Who are you kidding?

Egypt isn't "just like" America, and you even said as much in post #3: "... so many don't realize is that this is not America".

Do you realize that?

Do you realize that a Copt can't ring a bell on a Sunday morning in Egypt without having his church surrounded by angry muslims.

And yes, individual problems happen between people in every country, but in Egypt they can quickly escalate along religious lines to involve hundreds of others who had nothing to do with the original incident.

Again, who are you kidding?
Faith

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MENAgirl wrote:
Incidentally, I am glad they charged him, it is a case of not being hypocritical, and I hope it reminds Egyptians as well as the rest of the world that this is not just about respecting Islam. It is about respecting the belief of others, also.
No it's not. Not at all. It is merely a bit of muslim theatrics. This muslim "preacher" will not be penalized for his actions. Islam is pure evil.
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MENAgirl wrote:
<quoted text>Indidvidual problems happen between people in every country, and Egypt is no different. There is no "sharia" in force here that keeps Coptics from getting their rights, just like the law in the US doesn't try to keep Muslims from building mosques, individuals within the community or government try to.
If you knew anything about Egypt, you would know that most of the problems between copts and muslims are normal neighbor/community issues.
Yes......"community issues". It just so happens that whenever there is an "issue" it is the Christian homes and shops that are burned out and the Copts themselves that are slaughtered at the hands of the muslms. Your hatred for your parents and your resentment towards America has rendered you incapable of recognizing reality. I will pray for you.
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MENAgirl wrote:
..... to think it is some universal human right that trumps all others would be a mistake.
Suppressing free thought and expression is the cornerstone of tyranny. It is one of the pillars of islam......
Killing people for thinking or saying something in disagreement with their satanic ideology is the daily fare of muslims.
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why did he tore the Bible?
A few idiots from usa have made stupid film and what a Bible has to do with it?
harvey

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Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Who are you kidding?
Egypt isn't "just like" America, and you even said as much in post #3: "... so many don't realize is that this is not America".
Do you realize that?
Do you realize that a Copt can't ring a bell on a Sunday morning in Egypt without having his church surrounded by angry muslims.
And yes, individual problems happen between people in every country, but in Egypt they can quickly escalate along religious lines to involve hundreds of others who had nothing to do with the original incident.
Again, who are you kidding?
She said there were similarities in the law regarding minority faiths, not that "Egypt is just like America." Nice job of making up words and attributing them to another poster!

Who are YOU kidding?
harvey

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Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Suppressing free thought and expression is the cornerstone of tyranny. It is one of the pillars of islam......
Killing people for thinking or saying something in disagreement with their satanic ideology is the daily fare of muslims.
You're not only a liar, you're a well-known anti-Muslim bigot and flamer.

Supress yourself, for a change.
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Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Yes......"communi ty issues". It just so happens that whenever there is an "issue" it is the Christian homes and shops that are burned out and the Copts themselves that are slaughtered at the hands of the muslms. Your hatred for your parents and your resentment towards America has rendered you incapable of recognizing reality. I will pray for you.
I doubt that your prayers to Satan would really HELP her much...;)
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harvey wrote:
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You're not only a liar, you're a well-known anti-Muslim bigot and flamer.
Supress yourself, for a change.
So, in other words, you are condemning my remarks supporting the American virtue of free speech. Shame on you, Harv. Also, I'm not a liar.
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harvey wrote:
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I doubt that your prayers to Satan would really HELP her much...;)
Why not? She's a devil-worshiper.
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lol faith i just love the way you are.

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harvey wrote:
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She said there were similarities in the law regarding minority faiths ...
.. similarities in American and Egyptian law after saying that the two countires were dissimilar is called self-contradiction.

Mena can fool you and even herself, but not the rest of us.
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faith wrote:
So, in other words, you are condemning my remarks supporting the American virtue of free speech. Shame on you, Harv. Also, I'm not a liar.
Of course you ARE a liar and a b*_itch too. Go away from Michigan b*_itch.
Go back to nazi deutchland.

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