Tibetan taxi driver dies after becomi...

Tibetan taxi driver dies after becoming the latest to set herself on fire to protest China

There are 36 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 17, 2012, titled Tibetan taxi driver dies after becoming the latest to set herself on fire to protest China. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

A Tibetan taxi driver has set herself on fire and died in the latest of dozens of protests against Chinese rule over the Himalayan region, overseas rights groups said.

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New Baltimore, MI

#22 Nov 20, 2012
responder wrote:
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Quit being such a shallow bitch, Faith.
Shallow? C'mon, Harvey. I'm funnier than hell...and you know it.

Brooklyn, NY

#23 Nov 20, 2012
TYBasedGod wrote:
What is it with setting yourself on fire?
I mean I would think that stuff would be painful as hell. Why not just get a gun and go out the easy way.
What is wrong w/ u people?!
This is true.

Burbank, CA

#24 Nov 21, 2012
A disappeared so, feel too bad.

Delta, Canada

#25 Nov 21, 2012
figures NWO is a Tibet nut

the cabbie

was probably a child of an Tibetan elite... tired of having no slaves... whose average life span was 30 years of age...

and tired of not being able to molest 9 year old boys...

Delta, Canada

#26 Nov 21, 2012
Does the west care about what real Tibetans think?
April 12th, 2012 melektaus

It seems not. Rarely does their opinions (or the opinions of Chinese citizens for that matter) come into the equation when speaking about Sino-Tibetan issues. It’s taken as a given that they all want independence. That all of their lives are far worse under Chinese “occupation” than it was under the Dalai Lama’s Shangrila Kingdom. Westerners likely take the viewpoints of Tibetan emigres as a representative sample of 5.8 million Tibetans inside Tibet.

Granted, other than the anecdotal evidence from travelers, there are few objective evidence from surveys are rarely conducted inside Tibet. But I know of two that polls ethnic Tibetans inside Tibet for their views. But what are their views?

In this survey conducted in 2000 by the renowned Tibetologists Melvyn Goldstein, Cynthia Beall, Ben Jiao and Phuntsog Tsering, they asked a sample of Tibetans from across the TAR whether their lives are better than that of their parents (“Do You Have a Better Life Now Than Your Parents Did?”). One of the cohorts of that sample (N=150) is the age group between 60-79. In 2000, that means that they were born roughly between 1920-1940. That means that almost all of their parents lived entirely before Chinese policies were instituted after 1959.

An astounding ~90% answered “Yes,” that is, their lives are indeed better than that of their parents.

So it would appear that the Dalai Lama’s claim (which the west no doubt accepts unquestioningly) that China had turned Tibetan “heaven on earth” to a “hell on earth” is, like many other claims about China and Tibet in the west, absolute bullshit.

But what about the question of independence? Well, that study did not directly question Tibetans on that thorny issue but one study conducted secretly by the Tibetan Government in Exile did shortly after the 08 March riots. Here, it looks that Tibetans inside Tibet who want independence (renzig) are in the minority (29% or about 5,000 out of a total sample of about 17,000). This survey was likely crucial in getting the TGIE to stick with the so-called “middle way approach” after the riots when they actively questioned that approach and contemplated seeking independence. Keep in mind that this study was conducted by the TGIE and so questions of pro-China bias is out the window. Also, more importantly, keep in mind that this study was done soon after the 08 riots when tempers were flaring and the desire for independence was likely at its zenith inside Tibet. So if only 29% of Tibetans want independence, at most shortly after the Tibetan riots, that figure could be much lower today.

Here as elsewhere, the opinions of people actually part of the issue is dropped from the discussion in the west’s narrative. It is only their (white folks’) opinions that count speaking on behalf of everyone else. Sure the evidence is sparse from only two studies but studies like this are still better than conjecture, anecdote and mere bullshitting. I wonder what you’d find if you polled Native Hawaiians or the Lakota Indians for their views on whether they want their territories to be an independent state from the US?

[NOTE: Now the TGIE study did find that a plural majority (about 47% or 8,000) of respondents wanted to the Middle Way approach of Tibet remaining as part of China but with limited "true autonomy" (the 4,000 or so rest of the sample either wanted the status quo to remain or did not have an opinion). But also keep in mind that the Chinese government offered the Dalai Lama a middle way approach for the autonomy for the TAR in the early 80s but due to his intractable and unreasonable demands that even parts of Gansu, Qinghai, Sichuan, and other historically multi-ethnic provinces be included as "Tibet," the deal fell through.]

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Delta, Canada

#27 Nov 21, 2012
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
(updated and expanded version, January 2007)

Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. 14 The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.

In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. 15 The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord's land--or the monastery’s land--without pay, to repair the lord's houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand.16 Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. 17

As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.
One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports:“Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.”18 Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed.19

The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery.20

The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.


Delta, Canada

#28 Nov 21, 2012
Free Tibet?: Do you know what Tibet looked like before 1959?

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Delta, Canada

#29 Nov 21, 2012
Penn And Teller - Dalai Lama the slave owner

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Delta, Canada

#30 Nov 21, 2012
In October 1950, the People's Liberation Army entered the Tibetan area of Chamdo, defeating sporadic resistance from the Tibetan army. In 1951, Tibetan representatives participated in negotiations in Beijing with the Chinese government. This resulted in a Seventeen Point Agreement which formalised China's sovereignty over Tibet.[121]

From the beginning, it was obvious that incorporating Tibet into Communist China would bring two opposite social systems face-to-face.[122] In Tibet, however, the Chinese Communists opted not to place social reform as an immediate priority.

To the contrary, from 1951 to 1959, traditional Tibetan society with its lords and manorial estates continued to function unchanged.[122]

Despite the presence of twenty thousand PLA troops in Central Tibet, the Dalai Lama's government was permitted to maintain important symbols from its de facto independence period.[122]

The Chinese quickly abolished slavery and serfdom in their traditional forms.

They also claim to have reduced taxes, unemployment, and beggary, and to have started work projects. They established secular schools, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries, and they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.[123]

The Tibetan region of Eastern Kham, previously Xikang province, was incorporated in the province of Sichuan. Western Kham was put under the Chamdo Military Committee.

In these areas, land reform was implemented. This involved communist agitators designating "landlords"

By 1956 there was unrest in eastern Kham and Amdo, where land reform had been implemented in full. These rebellions eventually spread into western Kham and Ü-Tsang.

In 1956-57, armed Tibetan bands ambushed convoys of the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army.

The uprising received extensive assistance from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), including military training, support camps in Nepal, and numerous airlifts.[127]

Meanwhile in the United States, the American Society for a Free Asia, a CIA-financed front, energetically publicized the cause of Tibetan resistance, with the Dalai Lama’s eldest brother, Thubtan Norbu, playing an active role in that organization.

The Dalai Lama's second-eldest brother, Gyalo Thondup, established an intelligence operation with the CIA as early as 1951. He later upgraded it into a CIA-trained guerrilla unit whose recruits parachuted back into Tibet.[128]

Many Tibetan commandos and agents whom the CIA dropped into the country were chiefs of aristocratic clans or the sons of chiefs.

Ninety percent of them were never heard from again, according to a report from the CIA itself, meaning they were most likely captured and killed.[129]

"Many lamas and lay members of the elite and much of the Tibetan army joined the uprising, but in the main the populace did not, assuring its failure," writes Hugh Deane.[130]

In their book on Tibet, Ginsburg and Mathos reach a similar conclusion:

“As far as can be ascertained, the great bulk of the common people of Lhasa and of the adjoining countryside failed to join in the fighting against the Chinese both when it first began and as it progressed."[131] Eventually the resistance crumbled.


Delta, Canada

#31 Nov 21, 2012
Shugden protestors assaulted

in New York City are verbally and physically assault by Supporters of the Dalai Lama....


New Baltimore, MI

#32 Nov 21, 2012
Tibetans are apparently highly flammable.

New Baltimore, MI

#36 Nov 24, 2012
DENG wrote:
Chagmo Kyi, a mother of two, self-immolated Saturday afternoon in a square in Tongren county in western China’s Qinghai province, the eighth self-immolation in the Tongren area since Nov. 4, the Washington-based International Campaign for Tibet said in an email.
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Actually, DUNG, it barely makes the news here. We couldn't care less if every Tibetan on Earth burst into flames and disappeared.
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL

Surrey, Canada

#37 Nov 25, 2012
well wrote:
Free Tibet!
Free CHINA too!
andrez lopez

El Paso, TX

#38 Nov 25, 2012
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL wrote:
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Free CHINA too!
The same old nonsense posting from Canada

Shenzhen, China

#39 Nov 25, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, DUNG, it barely makes the news here. We couldn't care less if every Tibetan on Earth burst into flames and disappeared.
Actually, it just culls the separatists. Good riddance.

Shenzhen, China

#40 Nov 25, 2012
andrez lopez wrote:
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The same old nonsense posting from Canada
People are just boring in Canada.

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