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Biden: Only one adviser urged Bin Laden raid

There are 40 comments on the Fox News story from Jan 28, 2012, titled Biden: Only one adviser urged Bin Laden raid. In it, Fox News reports that:

May 1, 2011: President Obama and his national security team monitor the operation which resulted in the killing of Usama bin Laden.

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John

Germany

#1 Jan 28, 2012
It is a very interesting situation that he was immedietely executed. Why was he not brought to justice?

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#2 Jan 28, 2012
One of our top diplomats, Richard C Holbrooke once commented that VP Joe Biden was the 'George Ball' of the Obama Administration. VP Joe Biden has often shown that his carefully measured, honest and frank advice to the President is his most valued asset. "Everyone else said 49, 51, this," Biden said. "It got to me. He said,'Joe, what do you think?' and I said,'You know, I didn't know we have so many economists around the table. We owe the man a direct answer.' "..."

The Washington Note
Former Obama administration Middle East envoy and ... Envoys Richard Holbrooke, former Senator George ... It is true that Obama and Joe Biden did successfully ...
www.thewashingtonnote.com "Killing Somali pirates who have kidnapped Americans and Europeans may appeal to the action-lust many have when watching action movies or reading a Tom Clancy novel, but the real achievement of the Obama White House is not just knowing how to deploy this great Navy SEAL team but also how to operate in the international system in a rules based way (and yes, I include the killing of bin Laden in this calculation). "
911 was an inside job

Tulsa, OK

#3 Jan 28, 2012
John wrote:
It is a very interesting situation that he was immedietely executed. Why was he not brought to justice?
Because the American "justice system" (along with the other branches of government) is thoroughly corrupt.

And because a real investigation of the 9/11 crime would reveal high level American involvement. This fact has already been conclusively established by independent researchers with evidence in the public domain.
911 was an inside job

Tulsa, OK

#4 Jan 28, 2012
frontporchreactionary wrote:
One of our top diplomats, Richard C Holbrooke once commented that VP Joe Biden was the 'George Ball' of the Obama Administration. VP Joe Biden has often shown that his carefully measured, honest and frank advice to the President is his most valued asset. "Everyone else said 49, 51, this," Biden said. "It got to me. He said,'Joe, what do you think?' and I said,'You know, I didn't know we have so many economists around the table. We owe the man a direct answer.' "..."
The Washington Note
Former Obama administration Middle East envoy and ... Envoys Richard Holbrooke, former Senator George ... It is true that Obama and Joe Biden did successfully ...
www.thewashingtonnote.com "Killing Somali pirates who have kidnapped Americans and Europeans may appeal to the action-lust many have when watching action movies or reading a Tom Clancy novel, but the real achievement of the Obama White House is not just knowing how to deploy this great Navy SEAL team but also how to operate in the international system in a rules based way (and yes, I include the killing of bin Laden in this calculation). "
The alleged execution of bin Laden was an example of Obama "operating in the international system in a 'rules based way'"?!?!

Please explain? Or perhaps you are referring to rules invented by Obama (and Bush and other American war criminals...).

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#5 Jan 28, 2012
@911 was an inside job, "The alleged execution of bin Laden was an example of Obama "operating in the international system in a 'rules based way'"?!?!" The US Congress in joint session on September 14, 2001 the AUMF (Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists ); a declaration of war by the people of the United States against the international terrorist organization , Al-Qaeda, its leader bin Laden and all affiliate groups and confederates.
911 was an inside job

Tulsa, OK

#6 Jan 28, 2012
frontporchreactionary wrote:
@911 was an inside job, "The alleged execution of bin Laden was an example of Obama "operating in the international system in a 'rules based way'"?!?!" The US Congress in joint session on September 14, 2001 the AUMF (Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists ); a declaration of war by the people of the United States against the international terrorist organization , Al-Qaeda, its leader bin Laden and all affiliate groups and confederates.
... and yet in June 2006, FBI spokesman Rex Tomb explained that the September 11 attack was not mentioned on bin Laden's "Most Wanted" profile on the FBI website because the FBI had no hard evidence linking bin Laden to the attack. Apparently this was true up until bin Laden's alleged liquidation, since there was STILL no mention of 9/11 on bin Laden's "Most Wanted" page.

Was there a trial which legally established bin Laden as a "terrorist"? Is it within established international rules for one nation to send a military force into another nation without establishing that (a) the target of the military operation is legally legitimate or (b) alerting and providing justifcation to the nation whose sovereignty is being violated or (c) pursuing "rules-based" options like extradition of an *alleged* criminal?

And oh by the way, wasn't bin Laden at one time a CIA asset? And weren't the bin Ladens and Bushs pretty tight? Perhaps alleged assassinations are "clean ways" of sweeping lies and contradictions and messy narratives under the rug...
Blondie

Lincoln Park, MI

#7 Jan 28, 2012
John wrote:
It is a very interesting situation that he was immedietely executed. Why was he not brought to justice?
Bin Ladin was brought to the highest level of justice with his own death. Obama being far too smart for a trail did not want to allow a chance for Bin Ladin to become a martyr.

President Obama loves to be under estimated by everyone especially enemies but he takes decisive actions that Bush was not able to do. After all, Bush failed to protect America, failed to get Bin Ladin, invaded the wrong nation at two billion a week, crashed the stock market and nearly created a Great Depression!

Obama will strike Iran next and likely use our new nukes to do so because they have very little fallout and are needed to reach some bunkers. Obama is going to nuke Iran this year very soon and that will be the end of Iran. It's government will be killed just like Libya, its military will be killed and the civilian casualties will be low. Obama is far too smart to invade or send in large numbers of troops. He will use special forces and do the bulk of this through the air but he will destroy the entire military of Iran, take some land to give to the UN so a Palestinian defenseless nation can be set up and all this before the US conventions this summer. This war will be the most massive strike in world history and take about one week and be done.

Obama will beat the hell out of Mitty in November and win another landslide. The recession is over and the economy is well on the way to recovery right now according to all reports and from what I have seen myself being a person who works with the stock market and real estate etc...

Obama will have four years of paying down the deficit and when he leaves office the nation will be in better condition than any point in history which will help Germany and other allies too.

My family is in Germany and Obama is popular there.

BTW, US and UK forces are in place now according to the Net and just waiting for Obama to say GO. Some German forces are there too.
Blondie

Lincoln Park, MI

#8 Jan 28, 2012
frontporchreactionary wrote:
@911 was an inside job, "The alleged execution of bin Laden was an example of Obama "operating in the international system in a 'rules based way'"?!?!" The US Congress in joint session on September 14, 2001 the AUMF (Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists ); a declaration of war by the people of the United States against the international terrorist organization , Al-Qaeda, its leader bin Laden and all affiliate groups and confederates.
LOL the Moon landing was fake too. Where do you guys come up with it? The Net? WOW, too much BS on the Net for people into conspiracy BS.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#9 Jan 28, 2012
It is interesting how the media(the popular Liberal media) keeps trying to portray King Obama as a man of decisive leadership when in fact he turns in the wind each morning to a new political direction.

This is King Obama's Media working for him. Hell, he doesn't even need a campaign war chest; the media is carrying his azz across the football field.
911 was an inside job

Austin, TX

#10 Jan 28, 2012
Blondie wrote:
<quoted text>...
Obama will have four years of paying down the deficit and when he leaves office the nation will be in better condition than any point in history which will help Germany and other allies too.
My family is in Germany and Obama is popular there.
BTW, US and UK forces are in place now according to the Net and just waiting for Obama to say GO. Some German forces are there too.
Obama is popular in Germany? Somehow I doubt that...

By the way, Hitler was popular in Germany at one time... Not sure what the significance of being popular in Germany has to do with anything, though...

FaithUSA

“TUEBOR”

Since: Jul 11

Michigan

#11 Jan 28, 2012
Blondie wrote:
<quoted text>

My family is in Germany and Obama is popular there.
I heard David Hasselhoff is very popular in Germany too. Is that true? Anyhow, I hope you are right about Obama nuking Iran.

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#12 Jan 28, 2012
@911 was an inside job, "Is it within established international rules for one nation to send a military force into another nation without establishing that (a) the target of the military operation is legally legitimate or (b) alerting and providing justifcation to the nation whose sovereignty is being violated or (c) pursuing "rules-based" options like extradition of an *alleged* criminal? " Better for you,sonny boy to go read the AUMF declaration for yourself, I haven't the time or patience to detail your every error in interpretation and understanding of the 9/11 history . Review the proper historical documents for yourself. 9-11 Commission Final Report
Home Page > 9-11 Commission Final Report. The 9-11 Commission Report Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Official ...
www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

Condi Rice's other wake-up call - George W. Bush - Salon.com
Terrorism; Entertainment. Books ... officials about terrorist threats before 9/11. Former Democratic Sen. Gary Hart of Colorado also directly told ... the report, which warned that a ...
www.salon.com/2004/04/02/hart -

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#13 Jan 28, 2012
frontporchreactionary wrote:
@911 was an inside job, "Is it within established international rules for one nation to send a military force into another nation without establishing that (a) the target of the military operation is legally legitimate or (b) alerting and providing justifcation to the nation whose sovereignty is being violated or (c) pursuing "rules-based" options like extradition of an *alleged* criminal? " Better for you,sonny boy to go read the AUMF declaration for yourself, I haven't the time or patience to detail your every error in interpretation and understanding of the 9/11 history . Review the proper historical documents for yourself. 9-11 Commission Final Report
Home Page > 9-11 Commission Final Report. The 9-11 Commission Report Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Official ...
www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html
Condi Rice's other wake-up call - George W. Bush - Salon.com
Terrorism; Entertainment. Books ... officials about terrorist threats before 9/11. Former Democratic Sen. Gary Hart of Colorado also directly told ... the report, which warned that a ...
www.salon.com/2004/04/02/hart -
Have you ever tried using links from the right side of the tracks instead Propaganda Hollows?
911 was an inside job

Austin, TX

#14 Jan 28, 2012
frontporchreactionary wrote:
@911 was an inside job, "Is it within established international rules for one nation to send a military force into another nation without establishing that (a) the target of the military operation is legally legitimate or (b) alerting and providing justifcation to the nation whose sovereignty is being violated or (c) pursuing "rules-based" options like extradition of an *alleged* criminal? " Better for you,sonny boy to go read the AUMF declaration for yourself, I haven't the time or patience to detail your every error in interpretation and understanding of the 9/11 history . Review the proper historical documents for yourself. 9-11 Commission Final Report
Home Page > 9-11 Commission Final Report. The 9-11 Commission Report Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Official ...
www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html
Condi Rice's other wake-up call - George W. Bush - Salon.com
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I suspect that the real problem is that you haven't the time or patience to read the documents yourself and apply your critical thinking skills (assuming, of course...).

Let's start with the AUMF declaration, which according to your earlier post stands for "Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists."

What is a "terrorist"? Perhaps you can provide a legal definition. Until then, here's what the dictionary offers:

"TERRORIST - a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."

One example that comes to mind that fits the above definition is...

GEORGE W. BUSH: "Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing." (3/17/2003)

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So our Congress gave the Executive, who subsequently fits the very definition of a "terrorist," authorization to use our military to pursue "terrorists"?! Sounds like a recipe for disaster... Also, remember that unless there are judicial proceedings in which evidence is presented to substantiate allegations, all one really has is an "alleged terrorist."

The 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," according to the Commission co-chairs. I wonder why? I wonder how you've reconciled all the contradictions and outright absurdities in the 9/11 Commission's "investigation" that render it a poor fiction?

And given the timing of AUMF, I assume that this act of Congress applies to the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack. Was Saddam involved? For that matter, what proof is there that bin Laden was involved? Recall the words of FBI Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb:

"The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11." (June 5, 2006)

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/ar...

By the way, there is conclusive proof that the THREE World Trade Center buildings were destroyed with sophisticated, prepositioned demolition tech. The stuff has been found in dust samples from the World Trade Center. Did Osama bin Laden and his merry band of misfits have means, motive and opportunity to pull these demolitions off AND then somehow influence federal agencies to engage in criminal cover-up, destruction of evidence, fraud, etc.? Were they able to force the mighty US air defenses to stand down for almost two hours while novice pilots tool around our skies for nearly two hours in clunky commercial airliners?(And if "al Qaeda" operatives were endowed with such marvelous skills, why would they screw up by attacking the only recently reenforced and thus lightly populated wedge of the Pentagon, furthest from the top brass?)

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#15 Jan 28, 2012
911 was an inside job wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspect that the real problem is that you haven't the time or patience to read the documents yourself and apply your critical thinking skills (assuming, of course...).
Let's start with the AUMF declaration, which according to your earlier post stands for "Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists."
What is a "terrorist"? Perhaps you can provide a legal definition. Until then, here's what the dictionary offers:
"TERRORIST - a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."
One example that comes to mind that fits the above definition is...
GEORGE W. BUSH: "Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing." (3/17/2003)
----------
So our Congress gave the Executive, who subsequently fits the very definition of a "terrorist," authorization to use our military to pursue "terrorists"?! Sounds like a recipe for disaster... Also, remember that unless there are judicial proceedings in which evidence is presented to substantiate allegations, all one really has is an "alleged terrorist."
The 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," according to the Commission co-chairs. I wonder why? I wonder how you've reconciled all the contradictions and outright absurdities in the 9/11 Commission's "investigation" that render it a poor fiction?
And given the timing of AUMF, I assume that this act of Congress applies to the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack. Was Saddam involved? For that matter, what proof is there that bin Laden was involved? Recall the words of FBI Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb:
"The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11." (June 5, 2006)
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/ar...
By the way, there is conclusive proof that the THREE World Trade Center buildings were destroyed with sophisticated, prepositioned demolition tech. The stuff has been found in dust samples from the World Trade Center. Did Osama bin Laden and his merry band of misfits have means, motive and opportunity to pull these demolitions off AND then somehow influence federal agencies to engage in criminal cover-up, destruction of evidence, fraud, etc.? Were they able to force the mighty US air defenses to stand down for almost two hours while novice pilots tool around our skies for nearly two hours in clunky commercial airliners?(And if "al Qaeda" operatives were endowed with such marvelous skills, why would they screw up by attacking the only recently reenforced and thus lightly populated wedge of the Pentagon, furthest from the top brass?)
Franklin Roosevelt was a terrorist, Harry Truman was a terrorist, JFK was a terrorist, Jimmy Carter was a terrorist, Abraham Lincoln was a terrorist, Winston Churchill was a terrorist.....

Instead of seeking out a definition for "terrorist", you first need to find one for "reality".

Start with your therapist.
DENG

Chengdu, China

#16 Jan 28, 2012
"Laden"

TOO BAD THE UNITED STATES GOVENMENT OWNED AND CONTROLLED "FOX NEWS" KEEPS CHURNING OUT THE PROPAGANDA ABOUT THIS AND THAT ABOUT BIN LADEN WHO DIED FROM A KIDNEY DISEASE ON DECEMBER 16, 2001, AS PEOPLE MAY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS DISINFORMATION AND LIES.

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#17 Jan 29, 2012
@911 an inside job, "I suspect that the real problem is that you haven't the time or patience to read" First off, that is precisely your problem. You replied to my original post which was a comment on VP Biden's view on President Obama's decision to order the Navy Seals rescue mission in Somalia. Somalia has no recognized government; it is a broke down society where bands of roving crime gangs and pirate thugs operate.(your definition of a terrorist comes close to describing them:"TERRORIST - a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." )Now; secondly what does President Obama's successful Navy Seals rescue mission in Somalia have to do with G W Bush's Iraq War policy as one of his responses to the 9/11 attacks?

FaithUSA

“TUEBOR”

Since: Jul 11

Michigan

#18 Jan 29, 2012
John wrote:
It is a very interesting situation that he was immedietely executed. Why was he not brought to justice?
He was.
911 was an inside job

United States

#19 Jan 29, 2012
frontporchreactionary wrote:
@911 an inside job, "I suspect that the real problem is that you haven't the time or patience to read" First off, that is precisely your problem. You replied to my original post which was a comment on VP Biden's view on President Obama's decision to order the Navy Seals rescue mission in Somalia. Somalia has no recognized government; it is a broke down society where bands of roving crime gangs and pirate thugs operate.(your definition of a terrorist comes close to describing them:"TERRORIST - a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." )Now; secondly what does President Obama's successful Navy Seals rescue mission in Somalia have to do with G W Bush's Iraq War policy as one of his responses to the 9/11 attacks?
This thread is about the alleged bin Laden liquidation. What do Somali pirates have to do with the thread? Also, you invoked AUMF, which according to you is "a declaration of war by the people of the United States against the international terrorist organization Al-Qaeda, its leader bin Laden and all affiliate groups and confederates." What do Somali pirates have to do with "al Qaeda" or bin Laden, etc, etc.? Getting back to your original post, how are Obama's actions indicative of acting in an international arena in a "rules-based" way?

My other point is that AUMF lacks justification, given the lack of evidence that bin Laden and "al Qaeda" were responsible for all the death and destruction on September 11. The fact is that the vast majority of casualties on 9/11 were a direct result of the preplanned demolitions at the World Trade Center, which the official narrative ignores entirely (despite conclusive evidence in many forms). See, for example, the peer-reviewed paper "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" at http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/arti... .) Also, the casualties continue to mount as a result of lies by EPA administrator Christie Whitman that the "air at Ground Zero is safe to breathe."

My other point is that one man's "terrorist" is another man's "president." Is there a legal definition for terrorist, or is it up to Obama to decide? What are the "rules" and who make the rules of Obama's alleged "rules-based" policy? Is Obama's unprovoked aggression in Libya terrorism or "rules-based" action? Not that long ago, unprovoked aggression was considered the highest war crime (see Nuremberg).

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#20 Jan 29, 2012
@911 was an inside job, "Is Obama's unprovoked aggression in Libya terrorism or "rules-based" action? " How unprovoked? Ghadafi was recognized by the US and the world as an international terrorist, he attacked Americans and killed them with other innocent passengers on Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie,Scotland--even Ghadafi's own people did not recognize him as their legitimate leader in Libya. In contrast, Sadaam Hussein was a nasty military dictator , but that majority of Iraqis still recognized him as their legitimate leader and he also never attacked the US as did Ghadafi. Reagan attempted to kill Ghadafi with US air strikes ,but failed in only wounding him and killing his grand-daughter.

"My other point is that AUMF lacks justification, given the lack of evidence that bin Laden and "al Qaeda" were responsible for all the death and destruction on September 11. " Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11 | Fox News
Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11.... Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent.
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html "Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00...

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