Obama in Colorado: Romney has no plan for Afghanistan

Sep. 2, 2012 - Campaigning in Boulder, Colorado on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, President Barack Obama criticized rival Mitt Romney, saying he has no exit plan for the war in Afghanistan. Full Story
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Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#1 Sep 2, 2012
As Obama's plan...which is to do absolutely nothing.
Pug

Justice, IL

#2 Sep 2, 2012
The Obowma plan has been just terrific...
MoresubstanceLes sBS

Llano, TX

#3 Sep 2, 2012
Mitt's Plan
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/afghanistan-...

Mitt Romney will never make national-security decisions based upon electoral politics. Upon taking office, he will review our transition to the Afghan military by holding discussions with our commanders in the field. He will order a full interagency assessment of our military and assistance presence in Afghanistan to determine the level required to secure our gains and to train Afghan forces to the point where they can protect the sovereignty of Afghanistan from the tyranny of the Taliban. Withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan under a Romney administration will be based on conditions on the ground as assessed by our military commanders.

Ensure Buy-In from Afghan and Pakistani Governments

To defeat the insurgency in Afghanistan, the United States will need the cooperation of both the Afghan and Pakistani governments. It is in the interests of all three nations to see that Afghanistan and the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region are rid of the Taliban and other insurgent groups. Mitt Romney will work with both the Afghan government and Pakistan to ensure that those nations are fully contributing to success in Afghanistan. But we will only persuade Afghanistan and Pakistan to be resolute if they are convinced that the United States will itself be resolute. Only an America that appears fully committed to success will eliminate the incentives for them to hedge their bets by aligning with opposing forces.

The United States must be clear in what we require of both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Afghan President Hamid Karzai should understand that our commitment must be met with reciprocal efforts to crack down on corruption in his government, respect free and fair elections as required by the Afghan constitution, and coordinate with the United States on fighting the narcotics trade that fuels the insurgency. Pakistan should understand that any connection between insurgent forces and Pakistan’s security and intelligence forces must be severed. The United States enjoys significant leverage over both of these nations. We should not be shy about using it.

Refocusing on the Threat from al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/foreign-poli...

President Obama took office pledging to end the war in Iraq while refocusing on al Qaeda – particularly in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Since taking office, the Obama Administration has focused its resources on al Qaeda and its affiliates. These counter-terrorism efforts have substantially impacted al Qaeda’s leadership, including the death of Osama bin Laden in May 2011.

On December 1, 2009, at West Point, the President put forth a new U.S. strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan that is focused on disrupting, dismantling, and defeating al Qaeda and preventing its capacity to threaten America and our allies in the future.

To accomplish this, he said we would pursue three objectives: denying al Qaeda a safe haven, reversing the Taliban's momentum, and strengthening the capacity of Afghanistan's security forces and government so that they can take lead responsibility for Afghanistan's future. He also committed to begin the responsible withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan beginning in July 2011.

On June 22, the President addressed the American people about the way forward in Afghanistan. We have made substantial progress on the objectives the President laid out at West Point, and he made clear that we will begin the drawdown of U.S. troops from a position of strength. We have exceeded our expectations on our core goal of defeating al-Qa’ida – killing 20 of its top 30 leaders, including Osama bin Laden. We have broken the Taliban’s momentum, and trained over 100,000 Afghan National Security Forces. The U.S. will withdraw 10,000 U.S. troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2011, and the 33,000 “surge” troops he approved in December 2009 will leave Afghanistan by the end of summer 2012.
well

Hamilton, Canada

#4 Sep 2, 2012
What's Obama's plan for Afghanistan? US soldiers are being killed daily.
Card Carrying Zionist

Twentynine Palms, CA

#5 Sep 2, 2012
well wrote:
What's Obama's plan for Afghanistan? US soldiers are being killed daily.
And many of them are not even dying for a good cause they're being killed by Afghanis who are allegedly on our side.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#6 Sep 2, 2012
FLIP FLOP DRIP DROP FLIP FLOP DRIP DROP FLIP FLOP

The Gutter Trash that is ROMNEY. Romney does not have a plan FOR ANYTHING. He is dusting off old Bush policies because he has no ideas for ANYTHING except for getting his personal tax rate down to ZERO.

"Romney’s shifting stories on his Vietnam status could have real political consequences, as an Associated Press expose revealing that he sought and got four deferments from military service during the Vietnam War gets more play. It’s not the deferments that will hurt – Dick Cheney got five. It’s the fact that over the years, Romney has lied about it.

AP politely says his story has “evolved,” but tracks the puzzling changes. Running for president in 2007, Romney told the Boston Globe,“I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”

But in 1994, running against Ted Kennedy for his Massachusetts Senate seat while in his “I’m not a typical Republican” phase, he admitted “it was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.

...But while telling the truth about his lack of “desire to go off and serve” in 1994, Romney lied again, telling the Boston Herald he didn’t “take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft.” That’s absolutely not true. He got his first deferment while at Stanford University, where in his prep-school prankster phase he counter-protested a Vietnam draft protest. That’s another lie, in a way: While posing as pro-draft and pro-war, he was evading the draft with an “activity in study” deferment. After his freshman year, he got deferment status as “a minister of religion or divinity student,” which he’d keep while working in France as a missionary for his Mormon church.

Yet the AP reveals that other young Mormons were denied that deferment. And since the church itself strongly supported the war, its leaders eventually limited such deferments, but Romney kept his.

After his religious deferment, he got another academic deferment to finish school. By the time he was draft eligible, troop numbers were declining, and his lottery number was never called.” slate

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#7 Sep 2, 2012
Republiscums are very strange. They spend so much time fumigating the party for remants of Bush The Disaster even telling him he is not welcome at the convention.

Then they bring Rice, with lipstick smeared all over her teeth, to reintroduce the Bush brand stamped all over Tampa.

WTF?

Ryan/Romney/Antichrist 2012: BACKWARDS into the Bush Ditch
Card Carrying Zionist

Twentynine Palms, CA

#8 Sep 2, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
FLIP FLOP DRIP DROP FLIP FLOP DRIP DROP FLIP FLOP The Gutter Trash that is ROMNEY. Romney does not have a plan FOR ANYTHING. He is dusting off old Bush policies because he has no ideas for ANYTHING except for getting his personal tax rate down to ZERO. "Romney’s shifting stories on his Vietnam status could have real political consequences, as an Associated Press expose revealing that he sought and got four deferments from military service during the Vietnam War gets more play. It’s not the deferments that will hurt – Dick Cheney got five. It’s the fact that over the years, Romney has lied about it. AP politely says his story has “evolved,” but tracks the puzzling changes. Running for president in 2007, Romney told the Boston Globe,“I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.” But in 1994, running against Ted Kennedy for his Massachusetts Senate seat while in his “I’m not a typical Republican” phase, he admitted “it was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam....But while telling the truth about his lack of “desire to go off and serve” in 1994, Romney lied again, telling the Boston Herald he didn’t “take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft.” That’s absolutely not true. He got his first deferment while at Stanford University, where in his prep-school prankster phase he counter-protested a Vietnam draft protest. That’s another lie, in a way: While posing as pro-draft and pro-war, he was evading the draft with an “activity in study” deferment. After his freshman year, he got deferment status as “a minister of religion or divinity student,” which he’d keep while working in France as a missionary for his Mormon church. Yet the AP reveals that other young Mormons were denied that deferment. And since the church itself strongly supported the war, its leaders eventually limited such deferments, but Romney kept his. After his religious deferment, he got another academic deferment to finish school. By the time he was draft eligible, troop numbers were declining, and his lottery number was never called.” slate
You have rasied some excellent points in this posting. Romney is not just flip-flopping on several key issues -- his campaign is a joke regarding his own personal history, as well as the recent history of the national GOP. It's a shame that in other postings you have found it necessary to insert vulgarities, personal attacks against Mrs. Romney, and demands that those who disagree with you leave the country.
Card Carrying Zionist

Twentynine Palms, CA

#9 Sep 2, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
Republiscums are very strange. They spend so much time fumigating the party for remants of Bush The Disaster even telling him he is not welcome at the convention.
Then they bring Rice, with lipstick smeared all over her teeth, to reintroduce the Bush brand stamped all over Tampa...
Why is that strange? They are trying to get women's votes. I'm not claiming that it will work, but I see the logic.
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#10 Sep 2, 2012
Obamas visible plan:- Fumble, cut, run. The military rightly despise him
bottlecap

Tampa, FL

#11 Sep 2, 2012
well wrote:
What's Obama's plan for Afghanistan? US soldiers are being killed daily.
And by Afghan soldiers the the US Military is training.
bottlecap

Tampa, FL

#12 Sep 2, 2012
Card Carrying Zionist wrote:
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You have rasied some excellent points in this posting. Romney is not just flip-flopping on several key issues -- his campaign is a joke regarding his own personal history, as well as the recent history of the national GOP. It's a shame that in other postings you have found it necessary to insert vulgarities, personal attacks against Mrs. Romney, and demands that those who disagree with you leave the country.
"...his campaign is a joke regarding his own personal history,"

Huh?? Are you sure he is not being smeared by Axelrod and the MSM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_ (1969)

"On December 1, 1969, the Selective Service System of the United States conducted two lotteries to determine the order of call to military service in the Vietnam War for men born between 1944 and 1950. "The draft" occurred during a period of conscription in the United States, controlled by the President, from just before World War II to 1973."

Now Mitt was born on March 12, 1947 and his lottery number was 300. At that point there was ZERO chance of him being drafted so any talk of him seeking college deferments from that point on are typical Alelrod smear tactics.

If you are interested, the lottery results.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Itai/1969_...

I agree with you about the national GOP under Bush.
bottlecap

Tampa, FL

#13 Sep 2, 2012
MoresubstanceLessBS wrote:
Mitt's Plan
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/afghanistan-...
Ensure Buy-In from Afghan and Pakistani Governments
To defeat the insurgency in Afghanistan, the United States will need the cooperation of both the Afghan and Pakistani governments. It is in the interests of all three nations to see that Afghanistan and the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region are rid of the Taliban and other insurgent groups.
Mitt, like Barack and like "W" are living in a fantesyland.

"W" saw the genius of how Carter/Reagan were sucessful in the Afghan campaign to defeat the Soviets. The STARTING POINT was using Islamic fanaticism as a weapon against Russia.

Now, this trio is swimming against the tide and "W" & Obama have already cost this country dearly with their stupidity; no reason for Romney to join them.

When the US left Afghanistan the first time, the people didn't hate us, most were unaware of our presence and they DID NOT expect an annual handout of US Cash, that Karzi said would be required from the US upon its departure.

Further, Mr Magoo can see after the incident with the Koran burning, how hoplessly nuts these religious freaks are and it is best to let them kill each other than American soldiers.

It will TAKE REAL LEADERSHIP to admit that out goals of a stable-Western leaning government are a pipe dream and make plans for an orderly withdrawal.
Pug

Justice, IL

#14 Sep 3, 2012
bottlecap wrote:
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"...his campaign is a joke regarding his own personal history,"
Huh?? Are you sure he is not being smeared by Axelrod and the MSM?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_ (1969)
"On December 1, 1969, the Selective Service System of the United States conducted two lotteries to determine the order of call to military service in the Vietnam War for men born between 1944 and 1950. "The draft" occurred during a period of conscription in the United States, controlled by the President, from just before World War II to 1973."
Now Mitt was born on March 12, 1947 and his lottery number was 300. At that point there was ZERO chance of him being drafted so any talk of him seeking college deferments from that point on are typical Alelrod smear tactics.
If you are interested, the lottery results.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Itai/1969_...
I agree with you about the national GOP under Bush.
Prior to the lottery the student deferrment was heavily scrutinized. One could lose the deferred status for a variety of reasons.
It was popular in those days to protest everything. It was also popular to hurl insults at returning veterans.
more

Santa Fe, NM

#15 Sep 3, 2012
Pug wrote:
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Prior to the lottery the student deferrment was heavily scrutinized. One could lose the deferred status for a variety of reasons.
It was popular in those days to protest everything. It was also popular to hurl insults at returning veterans.
myths
bottlecap

Tampa, FL

#16 Sep 3, 2012
Pug wrote:
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Prior to the lottery the student deferrment was heavily scrutinized. One could lose the deferred status for a variety of reasons.
It was popular in those days to protest everything. It was also popular to hurl insults at returning veterans.
The War in Vietnam WAS flawed from its inception.

Racial, ethnic and nationalistic currents in SE Asia precluded any Communist monolith from being formed.

Still, the treatment that returning vets faced was dispicable and could not happen today because the MSM, the anti-American mouthpiece of the GLOBALIST OLIGARCHY, no longer has a monopoly on information flow.
Card Carrying Zionist

Twentynine Palms, CA

#17 Sep 3, 2012
Bob Burns wrote:
Obamas visible plan:- Fumble, cut, run. The military rightly despise him
I don't think that President Obama is wrong to withdraw from Afghanistan, but I don't know that he needs to telepgraph the withdrawl to the extenbt that he has.
Card Carrying Zionist

Twentynine Palms, CA

#18 Sep 3, 2012
bottlecap wrote:
"...his campaign is a joke regarding his own personal history," Huh?? Are you sure he is not being smeared by Axelrod and the MSM? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_ (1969) "On December 1, 1969, the Selective Service System of the United States conducted two lotteries to determine the order of call to military service in the Vietnam War for men born between 1944 and 1950. "The draft" occurred during a period of conscription in the United States, controlled by the President, from just before World War II to 1973." Now Mitt was born on March 12, 1947 and his lottery number was 300. At that point there was ZERO chance of him being drafted so any talk of him seeking college deferments from that point on are typical Alelrod smear tactics. If you are interested, the lottery results. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Itai/1969_... I agree with you about the national GOP under Bush.
I don't doubt that Axelrod & Co. are smearing Romney, but there is plenty of accuracy in many of the criticisms. Romney and/or Ryan supported Dubya's big government programs (e.g. TARP, airline bailout, steel tarriffs, Medicare Part D, Patriot Act, earmarking, ethanol subsidies, NCLB, gutting the Freedom to Farm Act, etc.)
Re: the draft, perhaps I was not precise ehough. Like Clinton, Romney legally evaded service in Vietnam. However, if he was against the US SE Asia policy during the war he could have tried to serve in the National Guard or Peace Corps, or he could have volunteered for an armed forces speciality in which he was unlikely to be sent to Vietnam. Obviously, we have had plenty of president swho were not veterans, but anyone getting into national politics should know that his service record will be scrutinized -- especially if he is advocating a conservative foreign policy. Is that fair? Not necessarily. Is life fair? Often not.
Card Carrying Zionist

Twentynine Palms, CA

#19 Sep 3, 2012
bottlecap wrote:
The War in Vietnam WAS flawed from its inception. Racial, ethnic and nationalistic currents in SE Asia precluded any Communist monolith from being formed. Still, the treatment that returning vets faced was dispicable and could not happen today because the MSM, the anti-American mouthpiece of the GLOBALIST OLIGARCHY, no longer has a monopoly on information flow.
It is likely that a united Vietnam would have elected Ho Chi Minh (sp?) as president. The US had every right to think that Vietnam was stupid for wanting ho to lead them, but we should not have tried to save them from themselves.
Commpunding that, one leader who had patriotic credentials to rival Ho was Diem. But what did we do when the going got rough? We had Diem killed -- or, at least looked the other way.
We need to choose out battles carefully, and I'm not so sure that we did so in Vietnam.
bottlecap

Tampa, FL

#21 Sep 4, 2012
Card Carrying Zionist wrote:
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It is likely that a united Vietnam would have elected Ho Chi Minh (sp?) as president. The US had every right to think that Vietnam was stupid for wanting ho to lead them, but we should not have tried to save them from themselves.
Commpunding that, one leader who had patriotic credentials to rival Ho was Diem. But what did we do when the going got rough? We had Diem killed -- or, at least looked the other way.
We need to choose out battles carefully, and I'm not so sure that we did so in Vietnam.
The Vietnamese and the Chinese have been fighting each other for centuries. We had no stategic reason to be in Vietnam.

It SHOCKS me that with George Washington EMPHATICALLY Warning his fellow countrymen about the dangers of foreign entanglements, that our modern Presidents make such stupid blunders.

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