Neural Fetal Brain Stem Cells

Neural Fetal Brain Stem Cells

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darwin_s_radio

Dallas, GA

#1 Dec 11, 2006
A company that describes itself as an "Adult stem cell company" uses aborted fetuses to derive cells for implantation into children in their Phase 1 Clinical Trial for Battens Disease. With the uproar about embryonic stem cells, I've wondered why this "fetal stem cell" use is not a concern. From http://www.stemcellsinc.com/clinicaltrials/cl... is the quote "Neural stem cells are isolated from the human fetal brain".

If funding for embryonic stem cell research is rejected by the U.S. Government, yet funding is approved for adult stem cell research, companies who use aborted fetuses in their research will be able to receive funds under the guise of being an “adult stem cell” company. I would imagine even so called “embryonic stem cell” companies would be able to receive funding if their research involves aborted fetuses.

If the House and Senate and some of the Public would deem embryos to be a human life and destruction of the embryo akin to “murder” and therefore research using embryos not appropriate for U.S. Government funding, then, how can funding for “adult stem cell” companies and “embryonic stem cell” companies that use aborted fetuses be tolerated. Certainly, destruction of fetuses is worse than the destruction of embryos and also would be considered killing or murder in the pursuit of science.
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#2 Dec 11, 2006
darwin_s_radio wrote:
A company that describes itself as an "Adult stem cell company" uses aborted fetuses to derive cells for implantation into children in their Phase 1 Clinical Trial for Battens Disease. With the uproar about embryonic stem cells, I've wondered why this "fetal stem cell" use is not a concern. From http://www.stemcellsinc.com/clinicaltrials/cl... is the quote "Neural stem cells are isolated from the human fetal brain".
If funding for embryonic stem cell research is rejected by the U.S. Government, yet funding is approved for adult stem cell research, companies who use aborted fetuses in their research will be able to receive funds under the guise of being an “adult stem cell” company. I would imagine even so called “embryonic stem cell” companies would be able to receive funding if their research involves aborted fetuses.
If the House and Senate and some of the Public would deem embryos to be a human life and destruction of the embryo akin to “murder” and therefore research using embryos not appropriate for U.S. Government funding, then, how can funding for “adult stem cell” companies and “embryonic stem cell” companies that use aborted fetuses be tolerated. Certainly, destruction of fetuses is worse than the destruction of embryos and also would be considered killing or murder in the pursuit of science.
I believe there are quite a number of companies that do scientific research using embryonic stem cells as well as adult stem cells. Because of the limits Bush has placed on federal funding, these companies must separate the research they do on embryonic stem cells from that on adult stem cells. Nowhere does the limit on federal funding for research state that a company that does do ESC research cannot receive federal funding for research it does on ASC. Researchers who work for such companies must meet strict guidelines in keeping funding for different types of stem cell research separate. Bush hasn't somehow 'excommunicated' companies that do embryonic stem cell research from receiving federal funding for the research they do on adult stem cells, if that's what you're asking.
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#3 Dec 11, 2006
And just for your information, the research you're speaking of was done on ONE poor kid who suffers from a horrible disease, Battens disease.
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#4 Dec 11, 2006
Also, do a little research; using fetal tissue from aborted fetuses is not prohibited or illegal. And I doubt very much that any of your federal taxes are being used for it, more's the pity.
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#5 Dec 11, 2006
People like you are just a complete mystery to me. How can you dither over using stem cells from aborted fetuses to try to find cures for diseases like Batten disease? Have you even read about the disease itself? It affects living, breathing children, and it's always, ALWAYS fatal. Tell me, if it were your child who was going to die of this disease, would you deny him or her the possibility, however remote, of a cure or treatment using the cells of an already-aborted fetus?

Since: Dec 06

Jackson Hole, WY

#6 Dec 11, 2006
Dear Sue,
I could care less if they use embryos or fetuses in research and clinical trials.

Mine is an argument as to why so much discussion centers on embryos being destoyed, when destroying fetuses seems to be so much more of a moral issue to those that care. Which I don't, by the way. But, in the recent debates in Congress and the media, almost nothing is said about it.

Reagan made it illegal to use fetuses in '88 and Clinton overturned it in '93.

However, if all these people are going to spend all this time discussing poor, little 'ole embryos, they should at least give some lip service about fetuses.

My argument is one of a balanced argument and not hysterics.

You have jumped all over me with assumptions of my knowledge and beliefs and morals.

Get a grip sue.

And yes, I know much about Battens, the Phase 1 Clinical Trial and stem cells, and biology in general.

The Batten's Child is leaving the hospital this week. Why don't you fly out to CA and give your best to little 6 year old Daniel Kerner. Eh?
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#7 Dec 11, 2006
darwin_s_radio wrote:
Dear Sue,
I could care less if they use embryos or fetuses in research and clinical trials.
Mine is an argument as to why so much discussion centers on embryos being destoyed, when destroying fetuses seems to be so much more of a moral issue to those that care. Which I don't, by the way. But, in the recent debates in Congress and the media, almost nothing is said about it.
Reagan made it illegal to use fetuses in '88 and Clinton overturned it in '93.
However, if all these people are going to spend all this time discussing poor, little 'ole embryos, they should at least give some lip service about fetuses.
My argument is one of a balanced argument and not hysterics.
You have jumped all over me with assumptions of my knowledge and beliefs and morals.
Get a grip sue.
And yes, I know much about Battens, the Phase 1 Clinical Trial and stem cells, and biology in general.
The Batten's Child is leaving the hospital this week. Why don't you fly out to CA and give your best to little 6 year old Daniel Kerner. Eh?
If you know that it's one child, and you know so much about Batten, then what's the issue? There is no injunction against using fetal tissue in research or treatment, no matter who is doing it. If you're so knowledgeable about it, how is it you don't know this? The only stipulation is that federal funds can't be used to do it. Just because a company receives fed funding for other research doesn't mean it can't do funding that isn't federally funded as well. And there's plenty of attention being given to the issue of fetal tissue as well as ESC research--all you need do is search these threads.

Since: Dec 06

Jackson Hole, WY

#8 Dec 11, 2006
I've checked other threads where you have posted and you love to strut your stuff.

You bore me and I've said what I've wanted to say. I'm not going to get in a back and forth with someone who lives for the battle.

Go bother others who wish to agitate you.

I'm finished with you.
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#9 Dec 11, 2006
darwin_s_radio wrote:
I've checked other threads where you have posted and you love to strut your stuff.
You bore me and I've said what I've wanted to say. I'm not going to get in a back and forth with someone who lives for the battle.
Go bother others who wish to agitate you.
I'm finished with you.
Well, that was easy. See ya.
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#10 Dec 11, 2006
darwin_s_radio wrote:
I've checked other threads where you have posted and you love to strut your stuff.
You bore me and I've said what I've wanted to say. I'm not going to get in a back and forth with someone who lives for the battle.
Go bother others who wish to agitate you.
I'm finished with you.
You know, I reread your first post, and I still have the same impression as I did when I first read it. I think you are against ESC research and the use of fetal tissue. Using phrases like "under the guise of" and such leads me to believe that you are looking for a disagreement on the issue of using fetal tissue. I don't give a rat's f'ing ass whether you think I like to 'strut my stuff' by posting links to information on valid sites, or whether you bite me.
darwin_s_radio

Dallas, GA

#11 Dec 18, 2006
Sue

Falling Waters, WV

#12 Dec 30, 2006
darwin_s_radio wrote:
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