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NASA: 2012 Was Ninth Warmest Year on Record

There are 24 comments on the KRVN-AM Lexington story from Jan 15, 2013, titled NASA: 2012 Was Ninth Warmest Year on Record. In it, KRVN-AM Lexington reports that:

The year 2012 was the ninth warmest globally since record keeping began in 1880, said climate scientists Tuesday from NASA.

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SpaceBlues

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#22 Jan 18, 2013
News from me: Professor Muller could do all that at Berkeley because he's a real PhD.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#24 Jan 20, 2013
SpacedoutBlues wrote:
News from me: Professor Muller could do all that at Berkeley because he's a real PhD.
Mr muller said,More scientific science fiction.There is nothing real about you and your endless BS you post daily.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#25 Jan 20, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Mr muller said,More scientific science fiction.There is nothing real about you and your endless BS you post daily.
No troll, this is what Dr. Muller said

Here is Richard Muller, a physics professor at UC Berkeley and former skeptic,

describing why he did a fresh statistical analysis on the weather station data [which he later found was a strong match for GISS NASA’s record of global average temperature].

<<There were three major groups analyzing temperature, and issues began to be raised. One of them was: Why had they used only a small fraction of the available tem¬perature stations? We looked into this and realized that they did it because their methods of statistical analysis really were fine with a small number of stations, and they worked better when they had long, continuous records. So they were select¬ing stations that had such records.

This raised a legitimate question: Is there an inherent bias when you choose stations that have long, continuous records? There’s a possibility that could hap¬pen because if you have a station that’s been around for 100 years, it may have started out as being rural and then later was inside of a city, and that could have given it an anomalous warming. We see this in stations in Tokyo, for example. It’s called the urban heat-island effect.

The three groups claim that it was not a problem. And maybe they were right. We found it very hard to evaluate that and decided that with modern computers, we could design a system that could actually use all of the data that would address the known problems, such as the urban heat island, in a differ¬ent way. Not necessarily a better way but in a different way.

This is how scientists do things. We can’t always claim that our methods are better than what came before, but we can do things differently and see if we come to the same answer. If we come to a different answer, then that raises the is¬sue of why. And then we can address that issue. But doing things in a different way is a real benefit to a field like this.

I’ve been quoted as saying that both Gore and [New York Times columnist Thomas L.] Friedman are exaggerators. These are people who are so deeply concerned with the dangers of global warm¬ing that they cherry-pick the data, too, and they’re not really paying attention to the science, which is not surprising. They’re not scientists.

But that’s not science. With science, you have to look at all the data and draw a balanced conclusion. And I believe they’re doing it because they are so deeply concerned, and they have accom¬plished some real good in alerting the American public to an issue that it needs to know about. But not being scientists, they feel they don’t have to show the dis¬agreeing data, they don’t have to show the discordant data. To the general pub¬lic, Gore is a scientist. The danger is that when you do it to exaggeration, eventual¬ly people will discover you’ve exaggerat¬ed, and then people react.

http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads...
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And what were the results?
Here is Richard Muller saying his statistical analysis of the weather station data shows there is “Substantial Global warming”

In it he states:“There are some people who don’t pay any attention to the science, They are not scientists, they are deniers.”

Sound like anyone you know, PHD -- aka Troll.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#26 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
No troll, this is what Dr. Muller said
Here is Richard Muller, a physics professor at UC Berkeley and former skeptic,
describing why he did a fresh statistical analysis on the weather station data [which he later found was a strong match for GISS NASA’s record of global average temperature].
<<There were three major groups analyzing temperature, and issues began to be raised. One of them was: Why had they used only a small fraction of the available tem¬perature stations? We looked into this and realized that they did it because their methods of statistical analysis really were fine with a small number of stations, and they worked better when they had long, continuous records. So they were select¬ing stations that had such records.
This raised a legitimate question: Is there an inherent bias when you choose stations that have long, continuous records? There’s a possibility that could hap¬pen because if you have a station that’s been around for 100 years, it may have started out as being rural and then later was inside of a city, and that could have given it an anomalous warming. We see this in stations in Tokyo, for example. It’s called the urban heat-island effect.
The three groups claim that it was not a problem. And maybe they were right. We found it very hard to evaluate that and decided that with modern computers, we could design a system that could actually use all of the data that would address the known problems, such as the urban heat island, in a differ¬ent way. Not necessarily a better way but in a different way.
This is how scientists do things. We can’t always claim that our methods are better than what came before, but we can do things differently and see if we come to the same answer. If we come to a different answer, then that raises the is¬sue of why. And then we can address that issue. But doing things in a different way is a real benefit to a field like this.
I’ve been quoted as saying that both Gore and [New York Times columnist Thomas L.] Friedman are exaggerators. These are people who are so deeply concerned with the dangers of global warm¬ing that they cherry-pick the data, too, and they’re not really paying attention to the science, which is not surprising. They’re not scientists.
But that’s not science. With science, you have to look at all the data and draw a balanced conclusion. And I believe they’re doing it because they are so deeply concerned, and they have accom¬plished some real good in alerting the American public to an issue that it needs to know about. But not being scientists, they feel they don’t have to show the dis¬agreeing data, they don’t have to show the discordant data. To the general pub¬lic, Gore is a scientist. The danger is that when you do it to exaggeration, eventual¬ly people will discover you’ve exaggerat¬ed, and then people react.
http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads...
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And what were the results?
Here is Richard Muller saying his statistical analysis of the weather station data shows there is “Substantial Global warming”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HBnRYQN_F80XX
In it he states:“There are some people who don’t pay any attention to the science, They are not scientists, they are deniers.”
Sound like anyone you know, PHD -- aka Troll.
Useless scientific science fiction.

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