Expert: We must act fast on warming

Expert: We must act fast on warming

There are 28456 comments on the Kansas.com story from Sep 24, 2008, titled Expert: We must act fast on warming. In it, Kansas.com reports that:

Droughts, melting ice caps and glaciers, rising sea levels and mass extinctions will all be a reality unless the U.S. and the world cut back on carbon emissions dramatically, said James Hansen, director of ...

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SoE

United States

#26755 Apr 6, 2013
The radiation released by an apartment building in Taiwan rendered the inhabitants virtually immune to cancer. The building had been built with steel that had Co-60 mistakenly alloyed into it.
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Really..?
I'd like to see more regarding that...
I believe there may be a medical break thru here ?
SoE

United States

#26756 Apr 6, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
BF:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
My point was that some isotopes like Cs137 get taken up into the body, typically by substituting for an element in the same group. In the Cesium case, it typically substitutes for potassium. After a while, Cs137 will beta decay to Barium137 which has a different chemical nature. Having the WRONG element in an important biological compound MAY be more of a detriment than the energy imparted by the decay itself. I think this issue deserves some immediate study, even if the hormesis effect says that irradiation at that level is not a problem.
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My point was that some isotopes like Cs137 get taken up into the body, typically by substituting for an element in the same group. In the Cesium case, it typically substitutes for potassium. After a while, Cs137 will beta decay to Barium137 which has a different chemical nature. Having the WRONG element in an important biological compound MAY be more of a detriment than the energy imparted by the decay itself...
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The negative effects would not be additive....?
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I think this issue deserves some immediate study, even if the hormesis effect says that irradiation at that level is not a problem.
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Yes, a clear understanding may promote a higher level of confidence

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#26757 Apr 7, 2013
KitemanSA wrote:
The radiation released by an apartment building in Taiwan rendered the inhabitants virtually immune to cancer. The building had been built with steel that had Co-60 mistakenly alloyed into it.
This is what is commonly called "blog science": bold claims that don't really stand up to analysis of the complexities involved.

The same sort of thing is common in the global warming phoney debate: just look at wattsupwithtwat.

Effects of Cobalt-60 Exposure

The health of the inhabitants of radioactive apartment buildings in Taiwan has received prominent attention in popular treatments of radiation hormesis. In 1982, more than 20,000 tons of steel was accidentally contaminated with Cobalt-60, much of this radioactive steel was used to build apartments and exposed thousands of Taiwanese to gamma radiation levels of up to >1000 times background (ave. 47.7 mSv, max. 2360 mSv excess cumulative dose); it was not until 1992 that the radioactive contamination was discovered. Subsequently, a medical study published in 2004 claimed the cancer mortality rates in the exposed population were more than 20 times lower than expected.[45] However, this initial study failed to control for age, comparing a much younger exposed population (mean age 17.2 years at initial exposure) with the much older general population of Taiwan (mean age approx. 34 years in 2004), a serious flaw.[46][47] Older people have much higher cancer rate even in the absence of excess radiation exposure.

A subsequent study by Hwang et al.(2006) found the incidence of "all cancers" in the irradiated population was 40% lower than expected (95 vs. 160.3 cases expected), except for leukaemia in men (6 vs. 1.8 cases expected) and thyroid cancer in women (6 vs. 2.8 cases expected), an increase only detected amongst those exposed before the age of 30. Hwang et al. proposed that the lower rate of "all cancers" might due to the exposed populations higher socioeconomic status and thus overall healthier lifestyle, but this was difficult to prove. Additionally, they cautioned that leukaemia was the first cancer type found to be elevated amongst the survivors of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, so it may be decades before any increase in more common cancer types are seen.[46]

Besides the excess risks of leukaemia and thyroid cancer, a later publication notes various DNA anomalies and other health effects among the exposed population:[48]

There have been several reports concerning the radiation effects on the exposed population, including cytogenetic analysis that showed increased micronucleus frequencies in peripheral lymphocytes in the exposed population, increases in acentromeric and single or multiple centromeric cytogenetic damages, and higher frequencies of chromosomal translocations, rings and dicentrics. Other analyses have shown persistent depression of peripheral leucocytes and neutrophils, increased eosinophils, altered distributions of lymphocyte subpopulations, increased frequencies of lens opacities, delays in physical development among exposed children, increased risk of thyroid abnormalities, and late consequences in hematopoietic adaptation in children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormes...
Earthling

Spain

#26758 Apr 7, 2013
Almost 5 years since this thread started, but no one's acting fast on Glowbull warming and FugYou's sunk to quoting Wiki.
PHD

Thornton, TX

#26759 Apr 7, 2013
SoE wrote:
<quoted text>
You may wish to pick up a copy of the book..The Demon Haunted World..
You might find the first chapters clarifying.
I'm sure it would give a more exacting definition to some of the terms you often use...
Weel than now we know why you are what you are.Is your world haunted daily? This makes a good ack for your stand up comic job SoE AKA Son of Entertainment.
SoE

United States

#26760 Apr 7, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Weel than now we know why you are what you are.Is your world haunted daily? This makes a good ack for your stand up comic job SoE AKA Son of Entertainment.
WEEL,..ack... I guess that would indicate you haven't read many of the late noted astronomer Dr.Carl Sagan's books...
Unlike you he posessed billions and billions of interests related
to science...
He and his wife Ann Druyan wrote many science related books...
The cosmos series,pale blue dot etc.
He was also Prof. Em.@ Cornell....
I would strongly recommend you read the book i've suggested...
SoE

United States

#26761 Apr 7, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Weel than now we know why you are what you are.
Read the book and give your thoughts regarding the content...
SoE

United States

#26762 Apr 7, 2013
Earthling wrote:
Almost 5 years since this thread started, but no one's acting fast on Glowbull warming and FugYou's sunk to quoting Wiki.
Almost 5 years since this thread started, but no one's acting fast on Glowbull warming
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Probably because the world is wasting scientific time trying to straighten out Spain's economy. We wouldn't want y'all to starve before the problem is corrected....
Most world inhabitants are compassionate enough they can't stand by and watch trolls starve
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While Wiki may not be the definative research repository the key
is to have enough science background to use it selectively...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#26763 Apr 7, 2013
Earthling wrote:
Almost 5 years since this thread started, but no one's acting fast on Glowbull warming and FugYou's sunk to quoting Wiki.
Gosh, are you back? We really have missed you......
SoE

Garden City, ID

#26764 Apr 7, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Gosh, are you back? We really have missed you......
OH,...golly....was he on this thread before ?
I usually remember The scientifically gifted...
PHD

Thornton, TX

#26765 Apr 12, 2013
SoE wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the book and give your thoughts regarding the content...
More scientific science fiction . Got real science? Here you go somthing you do best is correct spellin. Can you find the incorrect words misspelled? See why your the Son of Entertainment.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#26766 Apr 12, 2013
No more experimental tests? There's never been a test of climate change mitigation, published in a peer reviewed journal. The science just doesn't live up to the hype.
SpaceBlues

United States

#26767 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No more experimental tests? There's never been a test of climate change mitigation, published in a peer reviewed journal. The science just doesn't live up to the hype.
Not true.

What's your evidence?

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#26768 Apr 12, 2013
Climate change mitigation is a hoax; the lack of experimental tests prove this.
SpaceBlues

United States

#26769 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Climate change mitigation is a hoax; the lack of experimental tests prove this.
Listen, I asked you for evidence. You concede!

Once more, you mentioned "a hoax." Therefore, you should reply to the following post.
gcaveman1 wrote:
Deniers, please answer these questions so that we can all get to the bottom of of this "global warming hoax".
How many people are part of this conspiracy? Are there enough of them to carry out the plan? What infrastructure and resources does it need? How much time and money did it take and where did this money come from?(For instance, the idea that the Nazi themselves set the Reichstag fire would only require handful of men and minimal amount of money to pull off while something like the moon landing hoax would require tens of thousands if not more to carry out; the rock samples alone might require a decade to falsify and filming would take an airtight soundstage orders of magnitude larger than any known vacuum chamber).
Explicitly who gains what from the conspiracy and for what price? Is this the easiest way of gaining it? If not, why was it chosen over the easiest way? If it is an old conspiracy — who gains what from maintaining it?
How large is the supposed conspiracy and how likely is it to be covered up if has gone on a long time? If there are thousands of conspirators, and the conspiracy has gone on for decades, why have none been defected? Why have none of them leaked the story? If many conspirators are dead, why have none of them told the truth on their deathbeds, or in their wills?(It should be noted that with government-based conspiracy theories one can have issues with the fact there are things about WWI, nearly 100 years ago, that are still classified and therefore unknown to the general public, nullifying these types of questions even with a skeptic - however, these involve what might be termed "rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty" and usually there is significant supporting evidence from other sources).
If there are many thousands of conspirators, how are they organized? Where are the secret conferences held? How do they keep track of membership? If they are organised through known channels or entities, how do they keep non-members who work there from uncovering the conspiracy?
There are many intelligence agencies associated with rival nations, with the ability to expose secrets. If, say, the US government is running a global conspiracy, why have the French, Russian, or Chinese intelligence agencies never revealed it, to cause a major scandal in the United States (If all intelligence agencies are involved, see #2)? If they have, when and where did they do so?
Does belief in this theory require accepting that the conspiring entities are incredibly competent, bone stupid, organized and clever, and hopelessly incompetent -- all at the same time?[31]
More generally, what if any implausible contradictions does this theory depend upon? A secret well and carefully kept by extremely powerful and aggressive entities, that one or (especially) more "bozos on the bus" happens to know all about, and talk about openly, including on the Web, without being disappeared? A highly organized and thoroughly secret system of concentration camps operated by FEMA, which is famous for its amazingly chaotic, clumsy, and ineffective handling of rescue and recovery after Katrina? An intensely secret program that could be easily discovered and verified by anyone with a common piece of scientific equipment?

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#26770 Apr 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Listen, I asked you for evidence. You concede! Once more, you mentioned "a hoax." Therefore, you should reply to the following post.
Reply to a conspiracy nut? All hoaxes aren't conspiracies, some are mass delusions, specifically man made global warming and climate change mitigation are popular media fantasies. Business as usual.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#26771 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Climate change mitigation is a hoax; the lack of experimental tests prove this.
But, but, but, Brian_G, you wrote:
Using fossil fuel helps free ancient carbon back into the atmosphere where it can do some good. Freeing carbon dioxide into the air helps mitigate climate change against global cooling; the well known ice age climate scenario.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#26772 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Reply to a conspiracy nut? All hoaxes aren't conspiracies, some are mass delusions, specifically man made global warming and climate change mitigation are popular media fantasies. Business as usual.
But, but, but, Brian_G, you wrote:

Freeing carbon dioxide into the air helps mitigate climate change....

Why are you talking out of both sides of your filthy, stinking, lying mouth?
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#26773 Apr 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Listen, I asked you for evidence. You concede!
Once more, you mentioned "a hoax." Therefore, you should reply to the following post.
<quoted text>
Ha, ha replying to Brian G is of no use. He is merely a simple stooge seeking attention. Does not have it where he is and so as a child seeks it by being ardently obnoxious. We could throw anything out there and he will seek to be pervasive spilling his lack of. He has been doing this for years.
Do you remember when Social Security and Medicare crashed our economy and we had to bail them out. They paid there executives lavishly and celebrated with extravagant parties. Bonuses and gifts for their failures. Hmmm Must be Getting old just can’t remember that.
What has that got to do with Global Warming? As much as what Brian G has to the contributions to Global Warming…
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#26774 Apr 12, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
But, but, but, Brian_G, you wrote:
Using fossil fuel helps free ancient carbon back into the atmosphere where it can do some good. Freeing carbon dioxide into the air helps mitigate climate change against global cooling; the well known ice age climate scenario.
Dear government here is a sample of just how Brian G has lack of.
Gave him exactly what he asked for and then in his following reply he wanted a hint as to where to find these experiments that I just had given him when he asked;
Brian_G wrote:
Einstein's theory of relativity have been experimentally tested, climate change mitigation hasn't.
See the difference?
Correct Einstein proven {so far} as being correct in his theories.
False to say that there is no science to our climate. Requires some research on your part,“IF” you are truly interested. Try paleoclimatology and a few surrounding studies that contribute to this historical knowledge of our climate. Take any one of their theories and seek to disclaim it or find an error in their facts and then we can discuss that. Keep in mind your source will be required and the complete means of how the theory was purposed and proven. Then present your “Facts” that can prove their error. Rambling, opinionated, imaginary substance will be ignored, as it has been addressed several times through out this thread.“OR” have you already forgotten that?

Not one did he take the time to research or read. He is truly missing out on life. He could have traveled back to before there was any free oxygen and the atmosphere was CO2 and Nitrogen, Touched on Volcanism, Binary Star system, Continental drifts and the both times how this drift created 1 super continent, Snowball earth and or tropical earth and so on. Did he read or research any one of these. Nope just comes back with the same old rhetoric and nonsense. Total waste of time is his only goal.

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