Expert: We must act fast on warming

Expert: We must act fast on warming

There are 28477 comments on the Kansas.com story from Sep 24, 2008, titled Expert: We must act fast on warming. In it, Kansas.com reports that:

Droughts, melting ice caps and glaciers, rising sea levels and mass extinctions will all be a reality unless the U.S. and the world cut back on carbon emissions dramatically, said James Hansen, director of ...

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“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Oxford, UK

#26055 Oct 5, 2012
Well we can not all sit and wait for Oceanic Rise to take a strangle hold over the planet. We must act now to save the world.
My plan is drain the oceans through giant sink hole generating electricity from the power of all that pressure squeezing through the hole.

One idea is that the oceans are largely dead now, and are a breeding ground for all the bad elements of climate change. They lay waste to toxins that contaminate and imbalance nature.

Like for example the need to deforest old dead woodlands that are strangling the environment.

Lets cut wood and drain cesspools. And radically reduce on toxin contamination.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#26056 Oct 5, 2012
the dark lord wrote:
My plan is drain the oceans through giant sink hole .....
God & anthropogenic CO2 warming beat your brain-freeze.

http://www.google.com/imgres...
SoE

Rozet, WY

#26057 Oct 5, 2012
the dark lord wrote:
<quoted text>
it sounds kid a tough to get your kinda garden Harvard asses around but yeah a cosmic worm has swallowed the planets and is using these planets as a womary. Hey look here when the zombies take over your neighbourhood don't come crying to me that you haven't a Nerf weapon and are ready for them.
Ah..er..Well, mephistophycal metaphors ?
PHD

Houston, TX

#26058 Oct 6, 2012
Could it be a new day a new dawn? Looks like the dirtling is seeing its care giver or could it be that the correct meds are working?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#26059 Oct 6, 2012
PHD wrote:
Could it be a new day a new dawn? Looks like the dirtling is seeing its care giver or could it be that the correct meds are working?
Simple. He ran out of cigarettes.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#26060 Oct 6, 2012
the dark lord wrote:
<quoted text>
it sounds kid a tough to get your kinda garden Harvard asses around but yeah a cosmic worm has swallowed the planets and is using these planets as a womary. Hey look here when the zombies take over your neighbourhood don't come crying to me that you haven't a Nerf weapon and are ready for them.
Too dork.. or dark.

No way.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#26061 Oct 6, 2012
the dark lord wrote:
Well we can not all sit and wait for Oceanic Rise to take a strangle hold over the planet. We must act now to save the world.
My plan is drain the oceans through giant sink hole generating electricity from the power of all that pressure squeezing through the hole.
One idea is that the oceans are largely dead now, and are a breeding ground for all the bad elements of climate change. They lay waste to toxins that contaminate and imbalance nature.
Like for example the need to deforest old dead woodlands that are strangling the environment.
Lets cut wood and drain cesspools. And radically reduce on toxin contamination.
Is this your point?

http://www.kfbk.com/cc-common/news/sections/n...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#26062 Oct 6, 2012

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#26063 Oct 6, 2012
SoE wrote:
What is the most compelling test that you have performed proving global climate change isn't going to be a future problem?
That's not the issue, the global climate is changing. The issue is mitigation (acting on warming before it happens) v. adaption (acting on warming as it happens). Nobody has ever mitigated climate change but we've ALWAYS adapted to climate change.

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SoE wrote:
Please enter in the equation population growth..
I like population growth; we should maximize population growth.

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SoE wrote:
Also you might have ta plot an extreme(from her office) that can be reached still allowing the ability to reverse any ill effects..
You can never eliminate all ill effects but we can cope.

Don't kill growth out of fear.

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SoE wrote:
I'm sure many would find that information reassuring...
I'm sure I can try to answer any question you ask.
PHD

Houston, TX

#26065 Oct 6, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's not the issue, the global climate is changing. The issue is mitigation (acting on warming before it happens) v. adaption (acting on warming as it happens). Nobody has ever mitigated climate change but we've ALWAYS adapted to climate change.
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<quoted text>I like population growth; we should maximize population growth.
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<quoted text>You can never eliminate all ill effects but we can cope.
Don't kill growth out of fear.
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<quoted text>I'm sure I can try to answer any question you ask.
HA

Since: Aug 08

Lynnwood, WA

#26066 Oct 6, 2012
We must act fast on warming

A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) the last four days, showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & landforms. Four days ago, Arctic sea ice expansion was only the size of West Virginia! Three days ago, THE ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA EXPANSION WAS ONLY AS TINY AS DELAWARE!
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice:
Details below:
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is BELOW any recorded level in any previous year, at 4,173,594 km2 (October 3, 2012), fractionally gaining ~7,000 km2(a bit more than tiny Delaware area) of sea ice the previous day, the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, & temps above the 80th parallel, at -13 degC. Temps on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are dropping well below freezing, yet Arctic Ocean & seas still remain remarkably free of sea ice. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters. Only along the Greenland east coast is sea ice extending greatly south.
It is stunning how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only Connecticut area, this past day).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is about the same or below as any minimum Arctic sea ice of any recorded year, & has been for 5-6 weeks, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,256,875 km2 (October 5, 2012). Over the last two days, only the area represented by S. Carolina has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping well below freezing(as low as -10degC).

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, waters north of Alaska & waters even north of Russian Islands, Franz Joseph Land, & Svalbard are ice free. Year long sea ices have been in place north of Canada & Greenland. The farthest southerly reaching sea ices are along the east coast of Greenland. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months are resisting their conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered, have transported extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
pig izzard

Perth, Australia

#26067 Oct 9, 2012
The mammoth tasted like shit but other than that the BBQ was great.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#26068 Oct 9, 2012
The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than the previous minimum set in September 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) shows Arctic sea ice, after this year's minimum extent(& greatest square kilometer area of clear waters), NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all southern Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
Details below:
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of any other year recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,477,031 km2 (October 7, 2012). Only the small size area represented by Kentucky has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for 2+ weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC for the last three days, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -12degC.

Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice minimum extent.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,574,688 km2 (October 8, 2012). However, present extent is dated almost a month later, than the date that the 3rd place year established its mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have slipped to (-15 degC), a bit less than normal, temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean most often freezing with temperatures as low as -17degC, but southern Arctic sea ice has increased by smaller than the size of Indiana.
Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above. Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands are nearly ice free. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS(IF NOT MORE), of waters north of Alaska & Siberia are clear.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND from indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#26069 Oct 9, 2012
pig izzard wrote:
The mammoth tasted like shit...
What you you expect when dead meat thaws too early for the picnic. Ya have ta nix the pixnix.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#26070 Oct 10, 2012
litesong wrote:
A stunning performance showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
Details below:
//////////
\\\\\\\\\\
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of 2 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,574,688 km2 (October 8, 2012). A size area represented by only Indiana became sea ice the past day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for well over 2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 15 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -17degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
//////////
litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,662,344 km2 (October 9, 2012), the past day's sea ice area gain less than Maine size. Present extent is dated almost a month later, than the date of the 3rd place year's mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have slipped to (-15.5 degC), a bit less than normal. Temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are most often freezing, some areas below minus double digits, & one temperature as low as -23degC.

Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above.

A detail noted, is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS(plus?), of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward sea ice at the west end of the Northwest Passage should continue, & will close off the Northwest Passage. Internal icing is also occurring inside the Northwest Passage, near double digit minus temperatures that oppose the months of solar warmth built up in the Passage.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#26071 Oct 10, 2012
Some issues regarding the global warming problem caused by the emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere due to the burning of fossil fuels:

"At what rate are we permitted to continue to emit CO2 after the global average atmospheric concentration has ‘stabilized’ at some chosen target level?"

"Across how many years can we spread the total effort to reduce the annual CO2 emissions rate from its current high value to the low and stabilized target value?"

"How much harder is the future mitigation effort, if we do not do our share of the job now? Is it a good idea to overshoot a stabilization target?"

http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/conten...

Since: Aug 08

Lynnwood, WA

#26072 Oct 11, 2012
litesong wrote:
A stunning performance showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
Details below:
//////////
\\\\\\\\\\
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of 2 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,662,344 km2 (October 9, 2012). A size area represented by only Maine became sea ice the past day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for well over 2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 15.5 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -23degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
//////////
litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,752,656 km2 (October 10, 2012), the past day's sea ice area gain less than Maine size. Present extent is dated a month later, than the date of the 3rd place year's mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have upped to (-12 degC), a bit more than normal. Temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are most often freezing, few areas below minus double digits, & one temperature as low as -20degC.
Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above.

A detail noted is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it? Today, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, have developed tiny pixel ice floes, separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions.

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward sea ice at the west end of the Northwest Passage has closed off half the Passage. Internal Passage icing slows as fewer double digit minus temperatures appear.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
SoE

Rozet, WY

#26074 Oct 29, 2012
Good post...
Perhaps enough to convince others that a new path, regarding the environment, is in order ?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#26075 Oct 29, 2012
I favor melting polar ice caps...
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#26076 Oct 29, 2012
The latest data from across the globe show that the planet is changing faster than expected.

More sea ice around the Arctic Ocean is disappearing than had been forecast.

Regions of permafrost across Alaska and Siberia are spewing out more methane, the potent greenhouse gas, than models had predicted.

Ice shelves in West Antarctica are breaking up more quickly than once thought possible, and the glaciers they held back on adjacent land are sliding faster into the sea.

Extreme weather events, such as floods and the heat wave that gripped much of the U.S. in the summer of 2012 are on the rise, too.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

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