Feds OK tough cleanup of Santa Susana Field Lab

There are 19 comments on the Sep 3, 2010, LA Daily News story titled Feds OK tough cleanup of Santa Susana Field Lab. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

The entrance to Rocktdyne from Woolsey Canyon is seen in this photo. Federal agencies owning about a quarter of the Santa Susana Field Laboratory site Friday agreed to meet the strictest environmental standards in cleaning up their portion of the property that was contaminated with toxic and nuclear waste during years of rocket testing.

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Wiley Coyote

Lynwood, CA

#1 Sep 3, 2010
Its just a matter of time until real estate developers get their hands on this site and make a real killing on building houses and schools. If it wasnt such a beautiful area, no one would care if it was just fenced off for the next hundred years.
Patrick

Sacramento, CA

#2 Sep 3, 2010
Hard to blame Boeing for not wanting to pay. They never owned it while the testing was going on. And the reactor was a DOE (Gov) project. As far as a meltdown goes, there wasn't one. It wasn't a nuclear unit, it was sodium. They catch fire. Like all reactors, they use steam to turn a generator. Pretty bad reporting on the part of The Daily Blues. Lots of ground water contamination from solvents and fuel though. That was our "Area 51" back in the day. No people around to speak of. It was because of that lab and others like it, that we have the lives that we have today. They were the keystones to our missile defence during the cold war, and space program. Like other companies, we then ran them out of Ca. Russia had a testing facility underneath an apartment complex in town. No joke. Look it up. We needed them at the time. Badly. So let's give a round of thanks first to the men and woman for their sacrifices and bravery going into the unknown sciences, sometimes at GREAT personal cost. Then let's clean the 5hit up!
mastrclndr

Lake Elsinore, CA

#3 Sep 4, 2010
I don't know why "They" (DOE and NASA) were reluctant to clean it up in the first place. After all, any money spent there in testing was "Taxpayer" money .. and any money spent there to clran the place up will be "Taxpayer" money again. I'm certainly warmed by the espect that they have already spent billions of dollars at that site and will spend billions more cleaning it up so we can have an open space for 6 hikers and 5 joggers to occasionally pass through. After the multi-billions have been spent ...I wonder where a;; the contaminants will be dumped. You all know the stuff doesn't magically disappear. And to think the state of california has also beaten Boeing into handing over 22.5 million a year for 30 years after they have completed cleaning up their end. Yep .. just think of the money spent to open a few acres to a few people to pass through. Flippin screwed up thinking. Love the Liberal mind and government money laundering.
A Reptile Dysfunction

San Gabriel, CA

#4 Sep 4, 2010
Patrick and mastrclndr have got it right.

Boeing didn't even own the site until 1996, by which time all the contamination had already been accomplished. They were hosed by Rockwell, which bought the facility from North American Aviation, the original owner and operator of the test site.
But they foolishly allowed Pratt & Whitney to exclude the site from the purchase when it was sold to them.

As previously stated, it was run under government auspices, oversight and direction, and the government should be stuck with ALL the cleanup costs.
Annon

Desert Hot Springs, CA

#5 Sep 4, 2010
Patrick wrote:
Hard to blame Boeing for not wanting to pay. They never owned it while the testing was going on. And the reactor was a DOE (Gov) project. As far as a meltdown goes, there wasn't one. It wasn't a nuclear unit, it was sodium. They catch fire. Like all reactors, they use steam to turn a generator. Pretty bad reporting on the part of The Daily Blues. Lots of ground water contamination from solvents and fuel though. That was our "Area 51" back in the day. No people around to speak of. It was because of that lab and others like it, that we have the lives that we have today. They were the keystones to our missile defence during the cold war, and space program. Like other companies, we then ran them out of Ca. Russia had a testing facility underneath an apartment complex in town. No joke. Look it up. We needed them at the time. Badly. So let's give a round of thanks first to the men and woman for their sacrifices and bravery going into the unknown sciences, sometimes at GREAT personal cost. Then let's clean the 5hit up!
Lots of contamination where the Canoga site is too. Chemicals used to fine clean Gator Parts was disposed of by pouring the used solvent(s) into the storm drain. This was done for years as was other short cuts.
mwhite

Fullerton, CA

#6 Sep 4, 2010
these posters are awfully cavalier about the issue. my childhood home was right on the fence line of the chatsworth resevior. in my neighborhood was a large cancer cluster. my mom has had breast cancer and a matectomy. my dad had prostate cancer and had his prostate removed. then he got skin cancer. then he got a mild form of luekemia. around 74 my child hood friend teresa s had all of her hair inexplicably fall out. right around the same time my brother brians hair fell out. she was 6. he was 15. he is still as hairless as the tidy bowl man. my nieghbor gary clark and his wife both died from brain cancer. he was diagnosede and died 3 weeks later. she died 2 months after. sylvia johnson died of pancreatic cancer. her husband george was heart broken and lives alone to this day. to put it in perspective the story i just told happened in a 5 house radius- about 300'. im understand people get cancer but this is unnatural and extreme. in the 70's we used to play outside with the sound of rocket tests in the background. once in a while when the wind was just right, it would rain what looked like ashes. it was the remnants of spent fuel. for decades noone has talked about this site, nor did anyone come close. i remember as a teenager driving up to the sit s perimeter fence and being turned away by armed sentrys. you just knew it was a p[lace you didnt go. it was shrouded by fear and misunderstanding. that misunderstanding exists today . that explains why someone from valencia would compl;ain about spending the taxdollars to clean it up. for "5 hikers to pass by". i know there are more stories of cancer tragedies from the people who came ans went over the years. nasa and boeing have a great defense. "prove the cancer is from the santa susana site" theyll say in court. theyre right. its impossible to prove but we all know. the ones who lived there in the 60s 70s . we remember. the site changed lives
James

Stanton, CA

#7 Sep 4, 2010
Tough cleanup my eye? These guys crap on our land and water, collect their monies and are off to the next place to pollute and pillage. May they all burn in HELL!
Ursala

Yorba Linda, CA

#8 Sep 4, 2010
Is this the reason Chatsworth Park has been closed for the last few years?

“Be the change you want to see!”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#9 Sep 4, 2010
What's it been now: 30 years????

Talk, talk, talk......Meanwhile, valley residents are being irradiated......

But "don't you dare smoke within 1/2 a mile of my kids.....They'll get cancer!"

Such is live in the 'beautiful' San Fernando Valley......
Native

Redondo Beach, CA

#10 Sep 5, 2010
Boeing didn't put the pollution there, Rocketdyne (now Pratt & Whitney) did. The SB990 limits are unobtainable and the Feds will never meet those guidelines.
Native

Redondo Beach, CA

#11 Sep 5, 2010
Patrick wrote:
Hard to blame Boeing for not wanting to pay. They never owned it while the testing was going on. And the reactor was a DOE (Gov) project. As far as a meltdown goes, there wasn't one. It wasn't a nuclear unit, it was sodium. They catch fire. Like all reactors, they use steam to turn a generator. Pretty bad reporting on the part of The Daily Blues. Lots of ground water contamination from solvents and fuel though. That was our "Area 51" back in the day. No people around to speak of. It was because of that lab and others like it, that we have the lives that we have today. They were the keystones to our missile defence during the cold war, and space program. Like other companies, we then ran them out of Ca. Russia had a testing facility underneath an apartment complex in town. No joke. Look it up. We needed them at the time. Badly. So let's give a round of thanks first to the men and woman for their sacrifices and bravery going into the unknown sciences, sometimes at GREAT personal cost. Then let's clean the 5hit up!
It was a sodium cooled fast breeder reactor and there was a genuine meltdown and a major radiation leak. More information can be found here if you are interested: http://www.etec.energy.gov/History/Major-Oper...
tom

United States

#12 Sep 5, 2010
Good (if their methods work) now they can start cleaning up the other test/development places like Downey's NASA/Boeing site
Patrick

United States

#13 Sep 6, 2010
Native wrote:
<quoted text>
It was a sodium cooled fast breeder reactor and there was a genuine meltdown and a major radiation leak. More information can be found here if you are interested: http://www.etec.energy.gov/History/Major-Oper...
I'm not sure what you read, but all that happend was damage to the reactor itself and escape of gasses. Meltdown is a "Lay" term anyway... "A meltdown can occur when a severe, compounded failure of a nuclear power plant system or components causes the reactor core to cease being properly cooled to the extent that the sealed nuclear fuel assemblies which contain the uranium or plutonium and radioactive fission products begin to overheat and melt" That's not what occured here. There bye the way, was a "Real" reactor at Rocketdyne's DeSoto campus at DeSoto and Parthenia across from the Lamplighter resturant. They used to move weapons-grade fuel out of there all the time. I still stick by "NO Meltdown"
Native

Redondo Beach, CA

#14 Sep 9, 2010
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not sure what you read, but all that happend was damage to the reactor itself and escape of gasses. Meltdown is a "Lay" term anyway... "A meltdown can occur when a severe, compounded failure of a nuclear power plant system or components causes the reactor core to cease being properly cooled to the extent that the sealed nuclear fuel assemblies which contain the uranium or plutonium and radioactive fission products begin to overheat and melt" That's not what occured here. There bye the way, was a "Real" reactor at Rocketdyne's DeSoto campus at DeSoto and Parthenia across from the Lamplighter resturant. They used to move weapons-grade fuel out of there all the time. I still stick by "NO Meltdown"
I'm sorry but you are wrong here. The fuel rods did in fact melt. The steel jacket merged with the fuel to form a new alloy and radioactive byproducts were released into the cooling system (where they were eventually vented to the atmosphere). If you go to the site I referenced, you can see photographs of the melted fuel rods.
Native

Redondo Beach, CA

#15 Sep 9, 2010
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not sure what you read, but all that happend was damage to the reactor itself and escape of gasses. Meltdown is a "Lay" term anyway... "A meltdown can occur when a severe, compounded failure of a nuclear power plant system or components causes the reactor core to cease being properly cooled to the extent that the sealed nuclear fuel assemblies which contain the uranium or plutonium and radioactive fission products begin to overheat and melt" That's not what occured here. There bye the way, was a "Real" reactor at Rocketdyne's DeSoto campus at DeSoto and Parthenia across from the Lamplighter resturant. They used to move weapons-grade fuel out of there all the time. I still stick by "NO Meltdown"
In case you have difficulty finding the photographs of melted fuel rods I referenced above, here is a direct link from the first page I referenced to a PDF file with details of the accident: http://www.etec.energy.gov/History/Major-Oper...
ChuckCotten

Houston, TX

#16 Sep 12, 2010
mwhite wrote:
these posters are awfully cavalier about the issue. my childhood home was right on the fence line of the chatsworth resevior. in my neighborhood was a large cancer
...
i know there are more stories of cancer tragedies from the people who came ans went over the years. nasa and boeing have a great defense. "prove the cancer is from the santa susana site" theyll say in court. theyre right. its impossible to prove but we all know. the ones who lived there in the 60s 70s . we remember. the site changed lives
Hey, MWhite- From '69 to '72 I lived in Thousand Oaks, in the 2400 block of Sapra Street. Even though we were 7 or 8 miles away, I too remember the incredible rumbling of the rocket tests. At the time we didn't have a clue as to what it was, but the kids thought it was cool. I found your post while searching for "Thousand Oaks" and "Cancer Cluster", after finding that nearly every adult I knew on our street at that time has died of cancer, including my father. I'm 49 and live in Houston now, and am due next week for a work up similar to what my dad had. I've been trying to find out where we got our water from that filled the large water tower above our house. Makes me wonder.
rrr

West Hills, CA

#17 Sep 14, 2010
Ursala wrote:
Is this the reason Chatsworth Park has been closed for the last few years?
Chatsworth Park has been closed for the last few years because it was the site of a former skeet shooting range and there are rivers of lead shot flowing down the rocks.

http://www.laparks.org/pdf/ChatsworthSoFacts....
Hose A

Leesburg, VA

#18 Jan 17, 2011
mwhite wrote:
these posters are awfully cavalier about the issue. my childhood home was right on the fence line of the chatsworth resevior. in my neighborhood was a large cancer cluster. my mom has had breast cancer and a matectomy. my dad had prostate cancer and had his prostate removed. then he got skin cancer. then he got a mild form of luekemia. around 74 my child hood friend teresa s had all of her hair inexplicably fall out. right around the same time my brother brians hair fell out. she was 6. he was 15. he is still as hairless as the tidy bowl man. my nieghbor gary clark and his wife both died from brain cancer. he was diagnosede and died 3 weeks later. she died 2 months after. sylvia johnson died of pancreatic cancer. her husband george was heart broken and lives alone to this day. to put it in perspective the story i just told happened in a 5 house radius- about 300'. im understand people get cancer but this is unnatural and extreme. in the 70's we used to play outside with the sound of rocket tests in the background. once in a while when the wind was just right, it would rain what looked like ashes. it was the remnants of spent fuel. for decades noone has talked about this site, nor did anyone come close. i remember as a teenager driving up to the sit s perimeter fence and being turned away by armed sentrys. you just knew it was a p[lace you didnt go. it was shrouded by fear and misunderstanding. that misunderstanding exists today . that explains why someone from valencia would compl;ain about spending the taxdollars to clean it up. for "5 hikers to pass by". i know there are more stories of cancer tragedies from the people who came ans went over the years. nasa and boeing have a great defense. "prove the cancer is from the santa susana site" theyll say in court. theyre right. its impossible to prove but we all know. the ones who lived there in the 60s 70s . we remember. the site changed lives
Sorry to hear about your family, friends and neighbors but these characteristics are not from radiation exposure....perhaps chemical exposure (IDK) but not radition.
NorCal Dave

Chico, CA

#19 Dec 29, 2012
Patrick, it WAS a nuclear meltdown! The "sodium" was just what was used as a coolant (water is normally used)!

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