I've found God, says man who cracked the genome

[CBart95]

Jammercolo wrote:

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Thousands of years ago a very small part of the world knew of your God. Did anyone in Australia,
Africa, south america, china, Russia, Greenland, Japan, India and many more know of your God? I can answer that NO. At that time these places were not even know at allto your God. Francis Collins book is more of the same old stuff nothing new here. only people that like it are already hooked onsome God.

It may indeed be only perception. But to believers, these "discoveries" merely confirm and reaffirm beliefs that have been prevalent for eons.It's a lot like tri-angulating on your hiking map...youre on course! This joy we live is more tham real! This is The Dance of Life that God has made for each of us.

Even the self-appointed non-believers.

Let us Rejoice and be Glad!

[Serah]

CBart95 wrote:

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It may indeed be only perception. But to believers, these "discoveries" merely confirm and reaffirm beliefs that have been prevalent for eons.It's a lot like tri-angulating on your hiking map...youre on course! This joy we live is more tham real! This is The Dance of Life that God has made for each of us.
Even the self-appointed non-believers.
Let us Rejoice and be Glad!

Hi CBart, Blessings and greetings to you. This morning, Topix is still running slow, so I skipped to last post on this one, and found you, my Spiritual Brother from up yonder. Let us rejoice indeed, and be Glad for there is much to rejoice and be happy about. Thank you for entering into this forum of debate on our Heavenly Father; as always, your Sister of Soul from down under, and Her Pugster!

[Serah]

Jammercolo wrote:

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Thousands of years ago a very small part of the world knew of your God. Did anyone in Australia,
Africa, south america, china, Russia, Greenland, Japan, India and many more know of your God? I can answer that NO. At that time these places were not even know at allto your God. Francis Collins book is more of the same old stuff nothing new here. only people that like it are already hooked onsome God.

Funnily enough, the Natives of the countries have always acknowledged the Spirits and their own Spirituality. I know that there was much cruelty among them, and indeed there are still barbaric tribes in the depth of the jungles.

But many had an instinct, and in Australia, if an Aboriginal did something that upset their tribe, they would be exiled, and 'have the bone pointed at them'... They knew what that meant, certain death, and indeed certain death came upon them.

Today the Aboriginals are still having problems and I would say most of them are due to the fact that their beautiful DNA cannot cope with any of the chemicals, additives and synthetic foods we are forcing into them. If they are sent to jail, they have lost their freedom, and many commit suicide.

So, when God Judges each of us on our In---Tent---Ions, that which is active and inherent within; know that He will Judge those who know nothing of our Dear Lord Jesus, or how to read a book, exactly the same way as the rest of us. On the Intents of each; Blessings to you, as always, Serah

[Serah]

Pat wrote:

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Maybe faith is a test from god. A test to see if you have the courage to walk through life without having all the answers and using the brain, logic and reason he gave you and rather it is the weak minded fools who embrace faith out of fear rather than using their brain that go to hell. Certainly any god with half a brain would have to value logic and reason over ignorant blind faith.

LOL you make me laugh, Pat. Talking of being blind, perhaps you should take an eye test. Do you know how much there is involved in becoming a Faith Filled person? It is not just a matter of going to Church each week, and leaving the doors and going home and carrying on the same as before.

It is a beautiful journey down a pathway filled with enticement, such as I have seen many enticed by their greed. Buying things that have fallen off the back of a truck, and such, and they think they are not guilty, that it is the thief, and only the thief that is guilty.

It does not work like that. Nor can we readily associate with people like that, as their life style can pull us down too, so we walk away.

And Pat, we keep on walking away, and perhaps one time down the track people might end up like me; alone but not lonely. Deceit is an amazing thing, and it deceives the deceiver, so that they may put righteous where righteous does not belong.

Seek inside yourself, look into the mirror, and judge your own intents and plans, and see if you would pass the test of Judgement from our Heavenly Father. Don't be too hard on yourself, He does not expect us to be perfect; would we think we can be more pure than our Heavenly Father? No, we are human beings, and that which is inherent within should be blossoming and growing in size and stature, so that we glow with the energy of the love of our Angels, from the inside out. Blessings to you as always, Serah

[Serah]

For now, I need to log off, Brother CBart. I will catch up with you later on in my day, which is your tomorrow, Blessings of love to you, Serah

[James Redford]

God has been proven to exist based upon the most reserved view of the known laws of physics. For much more on that, see Prof. Frank J. Tipler's below paper, which among other things demonstrates that the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics) require that the universe end in the Omega Point (the final cosmological singularity and state of infinite informational capacity identified as being God):

F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers," Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (April 2005), pp. 897-964. http://math.tulane.edu/~tipler/theoryofeveryt... Also released as "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything," arXiv:0704.3276, April 24, 2007. http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.3276

Out of 50 articles, Prof. Tipler's above paper was selected as one of 12 for the "Highlights of 2005" accolade as "the very best articles published in Reports on Progress in Physics in 2005 [Vol. 68]. Articles were selected by the Editorial Board for their outstanding reviews of the field. They all received the highest praise from our international referees and a high number of downloads from the journal Website." (See Richard Palmer, Publisher, "Highlights of 2005," Reports on Progress in Physics. http://www.iop.org/EJ/journal/-page=extra.hig... )

Reports on Progress in Physics is the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional body for physicists. It has a higher impact factor (according to Journal Citation Reports) than Physical Review Letters, America's most prestigious physics journal (which Prof. Tipler has also been published in). A journal's impact factor reflects the importance the science community places in that journal.

See also the below resources for further information on the Omega Point Theory:

Theophysics http://theophysics.gigacities.net

"Omega Point (Tipler)," Wikipedia, April 16, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...

"Frank J. Tipler," Wikipedia, April 16, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...

Tipler is Professor of Mathematics and Physics (joint appointment) at Tulane University. His Ph.D. is in the field of global general relativity (the same rarefied field that Roger Penrose and Stephen Hawking developed), and he is also an expert in particle physics and computer science. His Omega Point Theory has been published in a number of prestigious peer-reviewed physics and science journals in addition to Reports on Progress in Physics, such as Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (one of the world's leading astrophysics journals), Physics Letters B, the International Journal of Theoretical Physics, etc.

Prof. John A. Wheeler (the father of most relativity research in the U.S.) wrote that "Frank Tipler is widely known for important concepts and theorems in general relativity and gravitation physics" on pg. viii in the "Foreword" to The Anthropic Cosmological Principle (1986) by cosmologist Prof. John D. Barrow and Tipler, which was the first book wherein Tipler's Omega Point Theory was described.

The leading quantum physicist in the world, Prof. David Deutsch (inventor of the quantum computer, being the first person to mathematically describe the workings of such a device, and winner of the Institute of Physics' 1998 Paul Dirac Medal and Prize for his work), endorses the physics of the Omega Point Theory in his book The Fabric of Reality (1997). For that, see:

David Deutsch, extracts from Chapter 14: "The Ends of the Universe" of The Fabric of Reality: The Science of Parallel Universes--and Its Implications (London: Allen Lane The Penguin Press, 1997), ISBN: 0713990619; with additional comments by Frank J. Tipler. http://theophysics.gigacities.net/deutsch-end...

[James Redford]

Excuse me, the Theophysics website should point to the URL http://geocities.com/theophysics/ .

See also the below revised URL:

David Deutsch, extracts from Chapter 14: "The Ends of the Universe" of The Fabric of Reality: The Science of Parallel Universes--and Its Implications (London: Allen Lane The Penguin Press, 1997), ISBN: 0713990619; with additional comments by Frank J. Tipler. http://geocities.com/theophysics/deutsch-ends...

[Jammercolo]

Frank J. Tipler is all by him self. Did you read his theory. Robots we should be able to build by the next century will ultimately spread them selves through out the universe, each generation
of robot producing ever-superior versions
of itself He estimates that robotic life will blanket the galaxy in a mere million
years.
He also says that the universe is closed. that in a billion billion years the universe will start to contract toward what is called the big crunch. that the super robots will evlove to control the crunch of the universe Assuming it can manage this,life then converges on what the French Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin called the Omega Point.Tipler associates the Omega Point,as did Teilhard, with God.

Being the ultimate form of power and knowledge,
the Omega Point would also be the ultimate in Love. Loving us, it would proceed to resurrect all humans whoever lived (along with their
favorite pets and popular endangered species). This is accomplished by means of a perfect computer simulation, what Tipler calls an emulation.
Since each of us is defined by our DNA, the Omega Point simply emulates all possible humans that could ever live, which of course includes
you and me. Our memories have long dissolved
into entropy, but Omega has us relive our
lives in an instant, along with all the
other possible lives we could have lived.
Those that Omega-God deems deserving will get to live even better lives, including lots of sex with the most desirable partners we can imagine.
Even this Tipler places on a mathematical basis, computing the relative "psychological impact" of meeting the most beautiful women whose existence is logically possible compared to simply the most beautiful woman in the
world.

Tipler claims that the Omega Point represents the
God of Judeo-Christian religion.Omega is the God of the Jews who told Moses, in Hebrew, "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" which Tipler translates as "I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE" in place of the conventional "I AM THAT I AM." Omega is the God of the early Christians who will reassemble the complete bodies of all humans on Judgment Day. Omega is the God of Islam, who continually destroys and recreates the universe from moment to moment and provides for his warriors a paradise of total pleasure.

Others have imagined computers and robots as a
means for extending human survival.While a purely
material immortality may be problematical, the chances are surely better than those provided by supernatural fantasies. It's too bad Tipler makes his case so poorly, providing so many targets for ridicule.I am not sure he isn't pulling our legs.

[Easter Bunny]

Serah wrote:

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How did you work that out? Mostly Religious people? I gather you are talking of those that are non Christians, as Christians are not particularly in a strapped for money situation where they are desperate to have males to keep providing for the parents. Who made the one child policies? Who keeps on telling everyone the world is going to be over populated, and yet experts say we will decreas in population by 80%?
Anyway, at least you weren't tossing insults at me, I am not Religious, I am a faith filled Christian. Thanks for that, Serah

Well, yes, it is not the Christians who are selecting for exclusively male babies. But this is NOT happening in countries with very low religious participation, such as Finland, for example.

I'd also be interested to hear about those "experts" who say the world will be de-populated by 80%. I mean, continued rapid population growth could lead to a catastrophe that will indeed result in a great reduction in population, but it will not be starting from the population level we have now. What experts are saying that our population is going to go from ~6B to ~1B? And when and how do they say this will happen?

[Jammercolo]

Serah wrote:

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Funnily enough, the Natives of the countries have always acknowledged the Spirits and their own Spirituality. I know that there was much cruelty among them, and indeed there are still barbaric tribes in the depth of the jungles.
But many had an instinct, and in Australia, if an Aboriginal did something that upset their tribe, they would be exiled, and 'have the bone pointed at them'... They knew what that meant, certain death, and indeed certain death came upon them.
Today the Aboriginals are still having problems and I would say most of them are due to the fact that their beautiful DNA cannot cope with any of the chemicals, additives and synthetic foods we are forcing into them. If they are sent to jail, they have lost their freedom, and many commit suicide.
So, when God Judges each of us on our In---Tent---Ions, that which is active and inherent within; know that He will Judge those who know nothing of our Dear Lord Jesus, or how to read a book, exactly the same way as the rest of us. On the Intents of each; Blessings to you, as always, Serah

The Aboriginal people were just about wiped out by the British settlers within weeks of the first colonists' arrival - was a wave of Old World epidemic diseases. Smallpox alone killed more than 50% of the Aboriginal population living in the vicinity of Sydney.
The second consequence of British settlement was appropriation of land and water resources. The combination of disease, loss of land and direct violence reduced the Aboriginal population by up to 80% between 1788 and 1900.
The white station owners would go on regular hunts for Aborigines.'Instead of having a kangaroo hunt, we'll have an Aboriginal hunt'. They would go out and shoot them, men, women and children. these so called Christians cared none for these people.
Clear up to the 1970 the Australian and State government agencies and church missions,were taking Aborigines children using the Protection Amending Act 1915 which enabled the Aborigines' Protection Board to remove Aboriginal children from their parents without having to establish that they were in any way neglected or mistreated.
From my studys the Aboriginal people suffer from many things but not from there DNA being unable to cope with any of the chemicals, additives and synthetic.
But from lack of Education,Crime,Substance abuse,Unemployment and living in improvised dwellings.
The bone pointing was out some time back alone with only breast feeding one child at a time for up to three years. If a woman with small child had a another baby she would leave it to die,because she did not have the breast milk to feed two.
the white man with his God just came and pushed the natives out and or killed them for fun.
The Aboriginal religious values of DREAMTIME.
The Dreaming is at once both the ancient time of creation and the present day reality of Dreaming.
with the snakes and frogs making the life on earth.
one thing I can say about you from reading your post you live in dreamtime.

[THE Steve]

Serah wrote:

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“Serah” Thank you for your Blessing; I do not know what Dr Pepper means? However, if you think that spiritually inclined people are not understood by a lot of people, let me tell you that is an understatement and life is not always easy! I just want Peace on Earth and to be able to turn the TV on again, without the horror of more suicides! They depress me so, it reminds me of the way that person would have lived their life, with the outcome to blow themselves to bits and murder innocent at the same time he chooses to exit the world! I have lived, laughed, danced and cried, but I have never entertained the thought of harming someone else!
Oh, how cleverly we have been deceived, and yet we were told at the end of the Revelations of Jesus Christ "I am the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and The End, The First and The Last" and as I sit here in amazement at what is transpiring, I bow low to My Lord and His Lady that they have chosen Earth and Jesus with his Army of Angels to reside with; and this means we are here too!
Open your gifts of life carefully and with trepidation, you may be meeting your Soul for the first time, see the colours it will shine and turn into, know then that Mother of Pearl is from within; it truly is Mother of Pearl and this is the whispery fragile colour of the real you.
See these colours and weep with the majesty of the colours that will be joining us soon, colours so rich and pure we are yet to know them! And then know that those wondrous colours that glimmer and glide with their golden silvery gossamer cloaks will be with us and over us for eternity.
Our children will not have to deny what they know; we will all see what they see, Blessings of wonder still, and then more, and more, as we traverse the pathway of Heaven that will soon be on Earth.

when are you going to actually reply to people directly, instead of just quoting them and then going on and on about something completely irrelevant? i replied to your post about laminin, you replied back but with several things that had nothing to do with it. now i like a discussion as much as anyone on here, but if you're not actually going to discuss then that makes things hard for the both of us. for one, i'm assuming you have no reply one way or the other and so you'd rather just "dig up an old post" and then rant about it or talk about something random and then bless everyone at the end.

[THE Steve]

Serah wrote:

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Isn't it grand learning knew things? DNA, cells, ions, molecular movement and flexibility, the finger print of God in things created, in--tent--ions; God has said He will Judge us on our thoughts...our intentions. Ever heard the expression, keeping your own tent clean? Tenet! Oh, the magic of words; as a mathematician, I love the power of numbers, but words are purely magical! And so is learning... sort of helps with the old IQ, if you get my driftwood!

in-tent-ions. keeping your tent clean. tenet. clever. it's not like you haven't used a few of those puns before.

i still fail to see how this relates to laminin. while your puns, albeit overused, could be considered humourous by some, they're off topic, once again. don't bother quoting a person if you're not going to actually reply with anything deserving of intellectual merit or at least a new thought on the matter. start a blog or something if you think your ideas are so clever or if you need a place to preen your ego.

and yes, my iq is very high. i don't need you to tell me that you're a mathematician or a writer or a prophet or something like that just so i'll be impressed by you or whatever. i'm not.

[Serah]

THE Steve wrote:

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in-tent-ions. keeping your tent clean. tenet. clever. it's not like you haven't used a few of those puns before.
i still fail to see how this relates to laminin. while your puns, albeit overused, could be considered humourous by some, they're off topic, once again. don't bother quoting a person if you're not going to actually reply with anything deserving of intellectual merit or at least a new thought on the matter. start a blog or something if you think your ideas are so clever or if you need a place to preen your ego.
and yes, my iq is very high. i don't need you to tell me that you're a mathematician or a writer or a prophet or something like that just so i'll be impressed by you or whatever. i'm not.

I really don't know how to reply to you. I am using old postings because I have been down this track before. DNA is something I have discussed many times over, and it sounds like you are aware of that. I have also used the scriptures from the Holy Bible on more than one occasion, pointing out that which Matthew told us, as well as the Revelation of Jesus, among others.

My IQ has been tossed around this forum as insults, and indeed you are aware of this. People have said that clinging to God is failure to live in reality because they do not have to learn anything, just rely on things of old. My point is that is completely not true, to be aware of our spirituality and learning of our intent, DNA among many other topics of learning is learning, not being stagnant.

This forum as you are aware is telling how the scientist(s) have altered their stance on evolution, admitting that their theories have been proved wrong by their own calculations and studies. I am looking forward to reading what Francis Collins has to say, and learning some more.

My debate with Francis Collins would be a whole different ball game to some others that are writing in here, but that is fine, each of us to our own.

Also, in response about the Aboriginals, and the other Natives, I am aware that they worked with their own knowledge, as they did not have the Holy Bible here, nor would they have known how to read it.

Anyway, I cannot keep on writing more and more and more forever and a day, I am trying to edit that which is already written. If you do not like reading what I have to say, scroll on by! Don't read it and then complain, and if you do not understand what I am trying to impart in a posting, just ask me, I will tell you.

[Jammercolo]

Serah wrote:

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Also, in response about the Aboriginals, and the other Natives, I am aware that they worked with their own knowledge, as they did not have the Holy Bible here, nor would they have known how to read it.

Thats my point. Why did God not show his work to all people of earth. to all people in a way that these people could understand. The people of the middle east at the time Jesus was around were mostly illiterit,and could not read the Bible.
At that time China had the most people reading and writing.That would seem tobe the place where Jesus and God would have gotten the most bang for his buck.

[Moiz Qidwai]

Jammercolo wrote:

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The Aboriginal people were just about wiped out by the British settlers within weeks of the first colonists' arrival - was a wave of Old World epidemic diseases. Smallpox alone killed more than 50% of the Aboriginal population living in the vicinity of Sydney.
The second consequence of British settlement was appropriation of land and water resources. The combination of disease, loss of land and direct violence reduced the Aboriginal population by up to 80% between 1788 and 1900.
The white station owners would go on regular hunts for Aborigines.'Instead of having a kangaroo hunt, we'll have an Aboriginal hunt'. They would go out and shoot them, men, women and children. these so called Christians cared none for these people.
Clear up to the 1970 the Australian and State government agencies and church missions,were taking Aborigines children using the Protection Amending Act 1915 which enabled the Aborigines' Protection Board to remove Aboriginal children from their parents without having to establish that they were in any way neglected or mistreated.
From my studys the Aboriginal people suffer from many things but not from there DNA being unable to cope with any of the chemicals, additives and synthetic.
But from lack of Education,Crime,Substance abuse,Unemployment and living in improvised dwellings.
The bone pointing was out some time back alone with only breast feeding one child at a time for up to three years. If a woman with small child had a another baby she would leave it to die,because she did not have the breast milk to feed two.
the white man with his God just came and pushed the natives out and or killed them for fun.
The Aboriginal religious values of DREAMTIME.
The Dreaming is at once both the ancient time of creation and the present day reality of Dreaming.
with the snakes and frogs making the life on earth.
one thing I can say about you from reading your post you live in dreamtime.

It is a very sad tale. I think the same must have been true for Red Indians in South and North America also.

I think that when White Colonists cpatured any country, if it was populated by a primitive people, they tried to exterminate them and make that as white land (South and North America, Australia and New Zealands are examples).

In other countries, where the population was big and a developed society (India, Egypt, Other African countries) they made them as their colonies, taking raw material and cheap labor from them and use them as a ready market for their finished goods.

It was a sad tale, but every night must have an end and so Hitler (despite his other crimes) was instrumental in breaking the backs of Britain and France so that many countries received their independence from colonial rule.

Colonial rule was based on apertheid, a system of graded separation.

[Moiz Qidwai]

Jammercolo wrote:

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Thousands of years ago a very small part of the world knew of your God. Did anyone in Australia,
Africa, south america, china, Russia, Greenland, Japan, India and many more know of your God? I can answer that NO. At that time these places were not even know at allto your God. Francis Collins book is more of the same old stuff nothing new here. only people that like it are already hooked onsome God.

I think you are slightly mistaken here. The concept of God came with the first human itself.

So every nation on the earth, had a concept of God, though they may be referring to Him in their own language by different names.

But if you say, that one thousand years ago, very few in the world knew about Christian concept of TRINUE God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, then you are correct.

The Christians themselves decided that in 325 CE after council of Nicea. Before that even Christian world was not unanimous on that TRINUE God.

[pokebody]

another "burnt again" christian

[Jammercolo]

Moiz Qidwai wrote:

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I think you are slightly mistaken here. The concept of God came with the first human itself.
So every nation on the earth, had a concept of God, though they may be referring to Him in their own language by different names.
But if you say, that one thousand years ago, very few in the world knew about Christian concept of TRINUE God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, then you are correct.
The Christians themselves decided that in 325 CE after council of Nicea. Before that even Christian world was not unanimous on that TRINUE God.

yes the Christian God. The God Trinity is a good point to no wherein the Bible does it say anything about God being a trinity thats all the Christain doing.

[Jammercolo]

Moiz Qidwai wrote:

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It is a very sad tale. I think the same must have been true for Red Indians in South and North America also.
I think that when White Colonists cpatured any country, if it was populated by a primitive people, they tried to exterminate them and make that as white land (South and North America, Australia and New Zealands are examples).
In other countries, where the population was big and a developed society (India, Egypt, Other African countries) they made them as their colonies, taking raw material and cheap labor from them and use them as a ready market for their finished goods.
It was a sad tale, but every night must have an end and so Hitler (despite his other crimes) was instrumental in breaking the backs of Britain and France so that many countries received their independence from colonial rule.
Colonial rule was based on apertheid, a system of graded separation.

yes it did you can look up and read Christopher Columbus journal he was looking for Gold, slaves and souls.
When people from Europ started Settling of America native indians paided a heavy price millions died or well killed or put on land the christians did not want. KILL KILL thank you Lord for all these primitives to Kill.

The Spanish did the same thing in Mexico and the western United States. Spain needed Gold and souls.

[CBart95]

So, JammerDoggie:

Thus, by your magnificent deductive reasoning, anything worthwhile coming out of Christianity is bogus because of errors and omissions committed by or for Christians. AND thus: anything believed or created by comtemporary believers is bogus as well. Sort of the Old "original sin" thing all over again? Eh?

Many of us choose to believe otherwise and, while we accept your right to believe otherwise, we choose to persevere in our beliefs and our exaltation of God and Jesus Christ.

Many of us actually welcome "tests of Faith" such as yours and pray for your ultimate conversion to the Joys and Blessings we all are priviledged to share each waking moment.