President Right To Lift Stem Cell Res...

President Right To Lift Stem Cell Restrictions

There are 83 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Mar 17, 2009, titled President Right To Lift Stem Cell Restrictions. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

President Barack Obama campaigned on hope. There can be no greater manifestation of this promise than his decision to lift restrictions imposed by his predecessor on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

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Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#61 Mar 31, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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Uh Zeus is a god, tell me why do you call yours just "God" and not by his name - becuase your trying to convince everyone else that god is name and not a regular noun that means: "a supreme being according to some particular conception"
Uh, I don't call the xtain god anything but what it is, a mythological being. Just like Zeus, Asmodius, etc. As you would understand from my posts if you might have read more than one. Or actually read my post. Why so angry?

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#62 Mar 31, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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Whoa, even I have to question this. Rational people can believe in God. My mother was a trained chemist and a catholic and we talk at length about science and religion (I am atheist). Faith can help people in the lives, there is nothing wrong with wanting to or needing to belive in a higher power. Personally, I don't need to, and can't see past all the evidence to the contrary, but some people claim to "feel God's presence". Who am I to say they don't.
I don't think that gives them the right to tell me what to do based on that feeling, or that book, and neither did my mother. She was a very rational person who held a place in her private life for spirituality. There is nothing inherently hypocritical about seeking proof for things in your job/daily life, being a critical thinker and having faith, as long as you recognize that faith and religion is unprovable.
This is such a stupid post. You can't be a true catholic if you don't believe in god and live your life according to the bible. That's the whole point. The people that pretend otherwise are just lying to themselves. What people need is simply a spiritual path and they need to acknowledge that. Put down the big fat book and think for yourself.

Since: Mar 09

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#64 Mar 31, 2009
Rick69 wrote:
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This is such a stupid post. You can't be a true catholic if you don't believe in god and live your life according to the bible. That's the whole point. The people that pretend otherwise are just lying to themselves. What people need is simply a spiritual path and they need to acknowledge that. Put down the big fat book and think for yourself.
This is such a stupid response. I was posting that you could be a scientist and religious. It is possible to be both. It is possible to accept what science proves and still have faith, as long as you don't mistake faith for proof. I even said I was atheist, so what big book should I be putting down? Did you even read the post or are you just running at the mouth?
Pat

Granby, CT

#65 Mar 31, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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Whoa, even I have to question this. Rational people can believe in God. My mother was a trained chemist and a catholic and we talk at length about science and religion (I am atheist). Faith can help people in the lives, there is nothing wrong with wanting to or needing to belive in a higher power. Personally, I don't need to, and can't see past all the evidence to the contrary, but some people claim to "feel God's presence". Who am I to say they don't.
I don't think that gives them the right to tell me what to do based on that feeling, or that book, and neither did my mother. She was a very rational person who held a place in her private life for spirituality. There is nothing inherently hypocritical about seeking proof for things in your job/daily life, being a critical thinker and having faith, as long as you recognize that faith and religion is unprovable.
"Rational people can believe in God."

Saying rational people can believe in god makes as much sense as saying an honest person can be a thief. Intelligent people can believe in god but not rational people. It is no more rational to believe there is an invisible man in the sky watching over you then it is to believe there is an invisible man living under your bed.

There is only one rational position to hold when evidence for something is lacking and that is one of disbelief. Would your mother believe in all unsupported things or just the ones that appealed to her? Was she a believer in bigfoot, alien abductions, lucky charms and psychics? How does one decide what unsupported beliefs to believe and which ones to reject? The answer is personal desire. People believe in things through faith that put the believer at some sort of perceived personal advantage like death avoidance. This is why the same person who believes in god can so easily reject other unsupported beliefs like bigfoot for there is nothing personal at stake in believing in bigfoot so rational thought is used and the belief is rejected. People who have faith are people who allow their emotions to override their intellect. Faith and reason are exact opposites. They are incompatible.
Pat

Granby, CT

#66 Mar 31, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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This is such a stupid response. I was posting that you could be a scientist and religious. It is possible to be both. It is possible to accept what science proves and still have faith, as long as you don't mistake faith for proof. I even said I was atheist, so what big book should I be putting down? Did you even read the post or are you just running at the mouth?
What you write is true, but any person who uses a double standard for proof depending on the subject is a hypocrite plain and simple. What entitles religion to get a free pass from critical scrutiny? Just because you WANT the fairytale to be true? Ones personal desires should play no part in what one believes to be true or false unless you are into self-deception.
mrbananas

Amherst, MA

#67 Mar 31, 2009
Patrick wrote:
The President isn't right to lift the restriction. Are people stupid, or do they realize that embryonic stem cells have cured NOTHING!!!!! Adult stem cells and umbilical cord stem cells have cured diseases contributed to medical treatments.
they haven't cured anything because there hasn't been enough research yet. Thats like agruing that we shouldn't research the toxins of frogs for potential cures because they haven't cured anything yet. You have to planet the seed and nurture it first before you can reap the rewards of a delicious pumpkin
Pat

Granby, CT

#68 Mar 31, 2009
mrbananas wrote:
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they haven't cured anything because there hasn't been enough research yet. Thats like agruing that we shouldn't research the toxins of frogs for potential cures because they haven't cured anything yet. You have to planet the seed and nurture it first before you can reap the rewards of a delicious pumpkin
Exactly. This is how discoveries are made.
GHT

Gresham, OR

#69 Mar 31, 2009
Pat wrote:
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"Rational people can believe in God."
Saying rational people can believe in god makes as much sense as saying an honest person can be a thief. Intelligent people can believe in god but not rational people. It is no more rational to believe there is an invisible man in the sky watching over you then it is to believe there is an invisible man living under your bed.
There is only one rational position to hold when evidence for something is lacking and that is one of disbelief. Would your mother believe in all unsupported things or just the ones that appealed to her? Was she a believer in bigfoot, alien abductions, lucky charms and psychics? How does one decide what unsupported beliefs to believe and which ones to reject? The answer is personal desire. People believe in things through faith that put the believer at some sort of perceived personal advantage like death avoidance. This is why the same person who believes in god can so easily reject other unsupported beliefs like bigfoot for there is nothing personal at stake in believing in bigfoot so rational thought is used and the belief is rejected. People who have faith are people who allow their emotions to override their intellect. Faith and reason are exact opposites. They are incompatible.
good post. So many years ago people prayed to different God's for different things. The Greeks had a stable full of them until that was reasoned to be an impossibility, then a few thousand years later it was hip to worship the Sun until that was proven through science to be nothing more than a ball of gas. How about that the Earth was flat until that was proven wrong. Until God is proven otherwise, these blind followers will insist there is this being. Sad thing is, we won't be able to say "I told you so"
init

Rockville, MD

#70 Mar 31, 2009
mrbananas wrote:
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they haven't cured anything because there hasn't been enough research yet. Thats like agruing that we shouldn't research the toxins of frogs for potential cures because they haven't cured anything yet. You have to planet the seed and nurture it first before you can reap the rewards of a delicious pumpkin
Thank you. Too bad the religious zealots are too stupid to listen to reason and can only pay mind to superstition and nonsense.

Since: Mar 09

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#71 Mar 31, 2009
Pat wrote:
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"Rational people can believe in God."
Saying rational people can believe in god makes as much sense as saying an honest person can be a thief. Intelligent people can believe in god but not rational people. It is no more rational to believe there is an invisible man in the sky watching over you then it is to believe there is an invisible man living under your bed.
There is only one rational position to hold when evidence for something is lacking and that is one of disbelief. Would your mother believe in all unsupported things or just the ones that appealed to her? Was she a believer in bigfoot, alien abductions, lucky charms and psychics? How does one decide what unsupported beliefs to believe and which ones to reject? The answer is personal desire. People believe in things through faith that put the believer at some sort of perceived personal advantage like death avoidance. This is why the same person who believes in god can so easily reject other unsupported beliefs like bigfoot for there is nothing personal at stake in believing in bigfoot so rational thought is used and the belief is rejected. People who have faith are people who allow their emotions to override their intellect. Faith and reason are exact opposites. They are incompatible.
CAn you honestly say God never spoke to anyone? I can't. I can't prove it didn't happen. Now whoever claims that can't prove it did happen. But for them, personally, they have proof. That's what I mean. People have experiences, they belive, for whatever reason. They have faith in God, and feel his presence. They are certianly not going to convice me, but it doesn't make them an otherwise irrational person in all of hteir other endevors.
Bill Smith

Mount Pleasant, SC

#72 Apr 1, 2009
Yet another scam to rob the people who produce wealth. If you want to do stem cell research, fine, start a charity to pay for it. Government has no place in giving stolen money to test anything.
Pat

Granby, CT

#73 Apr 1, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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CAn you honestly say God never spoke to anyone? I can't. I can't prove it didn't happen. Now whoever claims that can't prove it did happen. But for them, personally, they have proof. That's what I mean. People have experiences, they belive, for whatever reason. They have faith in God, and feel his presence. They are certianly not going to convice me, but it doesn't make them an otherwise irrational person in all of hteir other endevors.
The only people who claim god is speaking to them are delusional egomaniacs who were first indoctrinated into some religion and now desperately want to believe it to be true.

"They are certianly not going to convice me, but it doesn't make them an otherwise irrational person in all of hteir other endevors."

You are right, theists are selectively irrational because something personal is at stake with religion and since they are terrified of death they cling to their irrational death avoidance fantasy while in other aspects of their lives use normal reasoning.
Facts should determine what one believes is true or false, not personal desires.

Since: Mar 09

Hidden

#74 Apr 1, 2009
Bill Smith wrote:
Yet another scam to rob the people who produce wealth. If you want to do stem cell research, fine, start a charity to pay for it. Government has no place in giving stolen money to test anything.
You are one of those nuts who thinks taxes are unconsittutional don't you.

Since: Mar 09

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#75 Apr 1, 2009
Pat wrote:
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The only people who claim god is speaking to them are delusional egomaniacs who were first indoctrinated into some religion and now desperately want to believe it to be true.
"They are certianly not going to convice me, but it doesn't make them an otherwise irrational person in all of hteir other endevors."
You are right, theists are selectively irrational because something personal is at stake with religion and since they are terrified of death they cling to their irrational death avoidance fantasy while in other aspects of their lives use normal reasoning.
Facts should determine what one believes is true or false, not personal desires.
You can't possibly belive what you are saying. Let's try this one on for size. Lets say that an alien spacecraft landed at your house, took you inside, the aliens had a chat with you, flew you into space for a day to hang out and then dropped you back at your house.

What you are telling me is that you would not belive it happened. Because you can not prove it to anyone else, you would be forced to belive it didn't happen.

That is just plain foolish. Isn't the believer who has had God speak to them in the same position? Can't prove it, but it happened to them so they beileve it.

Like I said as long as they don't try to push it off on anyone else withoput proof it doesnt' mean they are irrational.
Pat

Granby, CT

#76 Apr 1, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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You can't possibly belive what you are saying. Let's try this one on for size. Lets say that an alien spacecraft landed at your house, took you inside, the aliens had a chat with you, flew you into space for a day to hang out and then dropped you back at your house.
What you are telling me is that you would not belive it happened. Because you can not prove it to anyone else, you would be forced to belive it didn't happen.
That is just plain foolish. Isn't the believer who has had God speak to them in the same position? Can't prove it, but it happened to them so they beileve it.
Like I said as long as they don't try to push it off on anyone else withoput proof it doesnt' mean they are irrational.
The creator of the universe secretly communicating with a few select humans? Can you spell gullible? LOL
GHT

Gresham, OR

#77 Apr 1, 2009
Pat wrote:
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The creator of the universe secretly communicating with a few select humans? Can you spell gullible? LOL
Pat, stop, you're killing me LOL. You make too much sense and add comedy to boot!

Since: Mar 09

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#78 Apr 1, 2009
Pat wrote:
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The creator of the universe secretly communicating with a few select humans? Can you spell gullible? LOL
I always considered atheists MORE open minded then most religious folks I ahve met, but you are just as zealous as they are.
Pat

Granby, CT

#79 Apr 2, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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I always considered atheists MORE open minded then most religious folks I ahve met, but you are just as zealous as they are.
No, I am just too rational to believe some god is communicating with idiots like Pat Robertson and David Koresh via telepathy. Magic isn't real.
GHT

Gresham, OR

#80 Apr 2, 2009
CTEd wrote:
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I always considered atheists MORE open minded then most religious folks I ahve met, but you are just as zealous as they are.
I think you have to be religious to believe a spirit communicates secretly with people. It's not about being open minded.

Since: Mar 09

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#81 Apr 2, 2009
GHT wrote:
<quoted text>I think you have to be religious to believe a spirit communicates secretly with people. It's not about being open minded.
but it's possible.Remotely possible, but possible. Otherwise you are just as arrogant as the bible thumpers who say it's not possible that God doesn't exist and we are all going to hell because they believe it to be so.

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